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Old 02-26-2009, 01:33 PM   #1
 
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Hi, I think I've got a constant problem with being OVER-conditioned. Lately, my hair is soft, undefined, and fluffy all of the time. Since this started, the richest conditioner I use is Suave Coconut, but I don't leave it in long. I'll either use it to co-wash and then detangle with what's already in my hair and rinse or I'll use it after poo-bar/ACV rinse to detangle, but it never sits on my hair for a long time.

I haven't been able to get 2nd day hair since this started so I've been alternating between the co-wash and the poo bars with some water washing in between on days that I don't work out. The products I use daily are bolded in my signature. When I'm not overconditioned, my hair is 3A...but lately its just been an undefined mess.

Anyone struggle with the same thing and have any suggestions? Would a weekly low-poo help? Could it be something besides being over-conditioned?

Thanks for your help!!!
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Old 02-26-2009, 01:58 PM   #2
 
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yeah, I get overconditioned REALLY easily as well.

Poo bars were a good idea for me. Really, I've been using those and hardly ever cowashing, and that's reduced it some. Even with that though, I've found I can only wash my hair about 3 times a week, max, or I'll still overcondition. It's frustrating, I know. Still, it's manageable with 3 times a week, and on days where my hair just isn't presentable, it gets thrown up into a twist or a ponytail. And no one's the wiser :P
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Old 02-26-2009, 02:03 PM   #3
 
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Thanks! I was afraid to do poo bars/acv rinses that often because of what I've heard, but I guess I can try it and see... have you tried water washing at all? My main problem is that I can't put my hair in a pony tail when I'm having a bad hair day - it's not long enough yet! though I am growing it out... Soon hopefully..
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Cleaning - alternate b/w poo bars/ACV rinse or cowash with Suave or V05

Rinse Out: anything Giovanni, L'oreal Nutri Gloss

Leave In: Conditioner/honey/h20 mixed in a spray bottle

Styling Prods: LOOB, LA Looks Sport, L'oreal TW, HESMU, KCCC

1st Day: add prod, scrunch with a tshirt, plop 10-15 mins, scrunch, add spray gel, diffuse till mostly dry

2nd Day: Aloe/H20 in spray bottle, scrunch & diffuse

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Old 02-26-2009, 02:11 PM   #4
 
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Oh, god, I'd die if I couldn't put it up. lol, that's my saving grace! Sometimes i just don't feel like messing with it (which is most of the time, lately).

I haven't noticed any issues with using the bars that often. MAYBE a little TEENY tiny bit of fading in my hair color (which is henna'd, so it's not like it's natural) but I really can't tell, so it's not much if anything. No build up really either. If yuo DO start to feel producty, just use a low poo every now and then and it should take care of it.

I think some hair types just can't stand all that moisture. I know mine can't. And it likes to be a little dry, really, so even sulfates in moderation probably wouldn't be a bad idea for me.
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Old 02-26-2009, 02:15 PM   #5
 
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Once a week ACV rinses have been working pretty well for me. 2 tablespoons ACV to 2 cups warm water. Do your co-wash first, water rinse, then do ACV rinse. Condition after.
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Old 02-26-2009, 02:24 PM   #6
 
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Sorry, I don't have any advice for overconditioning, but I have gotten quite creative since if I pull my hair into a ponytail, it's about 1" past the elastic. It's super-sexy. Plus, I've had to get creative because ponytails are forbidden in class.

A couple times I've done a half-a$$ed updo that looks intricate, but was just me grabbing locks of hair, twisting it back to the crown of my head and securing along the way with bobby pins. The only downside was I think I used like 75 bobby pins. I could have done it with less, but I was just shoving the bobby pins in wherever it seemed loose. No bobby pin headache, though. Bonus.

I've also started twisting the sides and securing it in the back, kind of a half-up do, but it was only the sides. I hate my hair on my face, so this is used more often.

Flexi-8's used to create a half-up do are great for me. It still shows the bottom portion, but at least some of it is up and out of the way. Plus, I have a tighter curl pattern underneath, so it looks better.

Okay, I think that's all I've got for now...I'll try to think of what else I do...
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No...going no-poo or CG does not work for me. It leaves me overconditioned and oily in a second no matter what I use, so that's not what's not working.
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Old 02-26-2009, 04:03 PM   #7
 
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I OC really easily also. I only condition once a week. If I feel I need a full wet down sometime during the week, I water wash. Takes a little more time to detangle but well worth it.
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Old 02-26-2009, 04:48 PM   #8
 
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I need to be careful with over-conditioning as well. I find when I use the soap bars to often this happens to me as they are very moisturizing. You may want to alternate some Low Poos in your routine and see if it helps. It helped me a lot! Even just using low poo on my scalp and letting it run through my hair made a big diff. You could even try coating your ends with condish first before you Low Poo.
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I think I might have overconditioning problems as well. What does an ACV rinse do for you? I can't find it in the CG book-I'll do a search on this board. Thanks in advance.

I did do a Baking Soda rinse this week for the first time and it really was clarifying. Much more so than the lemon rinse in the CG book.

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Thanks for your replies and suggestions everyone! I didn't want to wait forever for my hair to go back to normal so I shampooed with a sulfate shampoo last night and didn't condition afterwards and it helped a lot, but my hair wasn't totally back to normal...so I shampooed again this morning with the same sulfate shampoo and again didn't condition... Yeah, I know, some of you are probably freaking out... but it seemed to work! I've got my curls back today! WOO HOO!!! I even had a co-worker comment on how curly my hair is today. :-D Problem is, I have lots of halo frizz too. I'm not sure if I dried my hair out TOO much or if it's because it's actually rainy and very humid today for the first time in forever (I live in Michigan-we've just been getting snow and temps below freezing). I'm going to get some low-poo to use now that I seem to have gotten my hair at least closer to normal and will alternate that with poo bars/acv rinse and water washing...and try only conditioning once or twice a week.
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Rinse Out: anything Giovanni, L'oreal Nutri Gloss

Leave In: Conditioner/honey/h20 mixed in a spray bottle

Styling Prods: LOOB, LA Looks Sport, L'oreal TW, HESMU, KCCC

1st Day: add prod, scrunch with a tshirt, plop 10-15 mins, scrunch, add spray gel, diffuse till mostly dry

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I bet the frizz is from the humidity. If your hair's drier, it's going to frizz more in the humid weather. Stick some glycerin (KY or something) in it and I bet it'd be quite happy
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I bet the frizz is from the humidity. If your hair's drier, it's going to frizz more in the humid weather. Stick some glycerin (KY or something) in it and I bet it'd be quite happy
Good idea! I'll try it if it's rainy again this weekend. Unfortunately I didn't think to bring my KY with me to work. :-p though if I had, it could have been quite the conversation starter! :-D
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Cleaning - alternate b/w poo bars/ACV rinse or cowash with Suave or V05

Rinse Out: anything Giovanni, L'oreal Nutri Gloss

Leave In: Conditioner/honey/h20 mixed in a spray bottle

Styling Prods: LOOB, LA Looks Sport, L'oreal TW, HESMU, KCCC

1st Day: add prod, scrunch with a tshirt, plop 10-15 mins, scrunch, add spray gel, diffuse till mostly dry

2nd Day: Aloe/H20 in spray bottle, scrunch & diffuse

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Suave Ocean Breeze seems lighter to me than Suave Coconut. I only use either for bases for henna or indigo glosses because they both make me puffy and frizzy, but OB less so.

I use GTTTT conditioner or GVP cond. balm for a rinse out and usually AVG followed by a touch of KBB hair milk (older glycerin-free version - new Super Silky is about the same) for a leave-in, none of which gives me the puff and frizz nor weighs me down.
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I OC really easily also. I only condition once a week. If I feel I need a full wet down sometime during the week, I water wash. Takes a little more time to detangle but well worth it.
So you normally don't wet your hair at all except once a week? And when you do, you don't use conditioner, even after water washing? Just trying to make sure I understand. I can get OC'd easily, but on the other hand, if I don't get enough moisture in my hair, I also lose curl.
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Old 02-27-2009, 10:35 PM   #15
 
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Interesting thread, everybody. I've been having lots of soft, undefined fluffiness lately, but I thought there was no way I could be overconditioned when I low-poo twice a week. It sounds like you're saying it's possible? (I do wet my hair everyday, and use conditioner too).

I've also been reading the protein threads, though, and may try a shot of that first. I had pretty much cut out all protein.

Of course, low dew points may be contribuing as well..... Darn, too many factors. I need to grow 3 more heads so that I can experiment more!
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