"Underneath" layer is way curlier than upper?

I generally love my hair , but recently I discovered that my upper hair has way less bounce and spring than underneath layers. For some reason, it drives me nuts. It's unfair - I got all the clumping and springs underneath, where nobody can see it.

See for yourself:


More clumpy/springy:


Is any way to do something about it?

Also I would appreciate any input regarding my hair type. I think it's mostly wavy?

Thank you in advance!
Brunette, almost BSL length, growing out.
CG since Feb 2008, modified CG since September 2008.

I now know my texture/porosity!! (TY, Tiffany!) Medium texture; ends on a porous side; new growth - normal porosity.

Wash: Suave; EO Sweet Orange shampoo

Conditioner: GVP Balm, Mango Lustrasilk

Styling: KCCC, BRHG and LA Looks

Want to try: CJ
You seem 2c/3a to me. But as for product usage it's best to go by your hair density/porosity/thickness instead of your texture.

I do have the opposite problem of you. My hair on my canopy is curliest (3a/3b), the layer underneath is a solid 3a, but my nape is more of a 2b/2c. Maybe what I do to make my nape curlier could help you make your canopy curlier.

I use a curl enhancer, my homemade flax seed gel with mag sulfate and generously scrunch and pump it in. Then I diffuse and make sure I not only "scrunch" with the diffuser bowl but I scrunch with my hands too. This will "almost" get it to a 3a.

Keeping your hair healthy is also important to keeping your hair curly. Your canopy takes the brunt of the elements so you need to make sure you keep it protected and treated it to a little TLC by deep treatments. Sometimes doing protein treatments help bring some bounce back to curls.

Another option is putting more layers in your hair so that your top layer is not pulled down just by weight alone.

It might also help to know what kind of routine you have. Then we may be able to help diagnose you better.

Sorry for the overwhelming info, hopefully this will help you some
mostly 3a/some 3b/2c at the nape
med-coarse and porous
Current routine:
Cleansing: Co-wash with V05, JCCC
Conditioners:AOHR
Leave-in: KCKT
Stylers:
HESMU, Joiwhip
Protein Treatment: Ion effective care treatment


Elissad, thanks for the input! It's not overwhelming at all because I've been lurking here for about year and a half

I use modified CG method. By "modified" I mean no cones/sulfates, but I do wash my hair 2-3 times a week, either with natural soap bar or with Salty Dawg shampoo. Then I do ACV rinse followed buy Suave condish as a rinse-out and Lustrasilk (just a tad) as a l.-in.

Styling products depend on my today's whim What you see on a pic was done with DM Lock and Twist. I skipped FSG and LA gel for today.
Brunette, almost BSL length, growing out.
CG since Feb 2008, modified CG since September 2008.

I now know my texture/porosity!! (TY, Tiffany!) Medium texture; ends on a porous side; new growth - normal porosity.

Wash: Suave; EO Sweet Orange shampoo

Conditioner: GVP Balm, Mango Lustrasilk

Styling: KCCC, BRHG and LA Looks

Want to try: CJ

Last edited by masa_inn; 03-01-2009 at 10:57 PM. Reason: typo
My hair is this way too, and I can just add that it has nothing to do with the way your natural hair is. Pre-perm, the hair around the nape of my neck would straighten out and become frizzy, if straight frizzy hair even makes sense to you. Post-perm, my hair still straightens out and becomes frizzy in that same place. So I know it didn't do that merely because of the amount of (or lack of) curl there; it does that no matter how curly my hair is there.

It must be something we do to our hair. It'd be nice to know what exactly it is that we're doing :/
mostly 3a. a little 2c and 3b.
fine/thin, but lots of it.
Oh sorry, I didn't specify, I was responding to this post:

"I do have the opposite problem of you. My hair on my canopy is curliest (3a/3b), the layer underneath is a solid 3a, but my nape is more of a 2b/2c. Maybe what I do to make my nape curlier could help you make your canopy curlier."

I have the poofy, less clumpy look on the canopy, then the clumpy springy look in between, then the straight frizzy look at the nape.
mostly 3a. a little 2c and 3b.
fine/thin, but lots of it.
Elissad, thanks for the input! It's not overwhelming at all because I've been lurking here for about year and a half

I use modified CG method. By "modified" I mean no cones/sulfates, but I do wash my hair 2-3 times a week, either with natural soap bar or with Salty Dawg shampoo. Then I do ACV rinse followed buy Suave condish as a rinse-out and Lustrasilk (just a tad) as a l.-in.

Styling products depend on my today's whim What you see on a pic was done with DM Lock and Twist. I skipped FSG and LA gel for today.
Originally Posted by masa_inn
It does sound like you're taking good care of your hair so we could probably eliminate that as a possible cause.

It looks like you don't have a lot of layers on the back of your head and maybe that could be the cause of the lack of curl. When my layers get too long my curly canopy will become more wavy, mostly on the back of my head. A good cut definitely helps with keeping my hair as curly as I can get it.
mostly 3a/some 3b/2c at the nape
med-coarse and porous
Current routine:
Cleansing: Co-wash with V05, JCCC
Conditioners:AOHR
Leave-in: KCKT
Stylers:
HESMU, Joiwhip
Protein Treatment: Ion effective care treatment


Masa_inn, a lot of people have this issue. Canopy is the most exposed part of the hair--so tends to be driest and more damaged then the protected underlayers. When I first went CG, it was a big problem for me, too. Moisture really helps. But the way I solved the problem was a haircut with lots of layers.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
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But the way I solved the problem was a haircut with lots of layers.
Originally Posted by kathymack
OK, all I need now is to find a good hairdresser who can work with curlies. No biggie
Brunette, almost BSL length, growing out.
CG since Feb 2008, modified CG since September 2008.

I now know my texture/porosity!! (TY, Tiffany!) Medium texture; ends on a porous side; new growth - normal porosity.

Wash: Suave; EO Sweet Orange shampoo

Conditioner: GVP Balm, Mango Lustrasilk

Styling: KCCC, BRHG and LA Looks

Want to try: CJ
My hair is the same. Going CG improved it to a certain extent, in that my hair is way healthier now, so I am getting better curl in my canopy.

I vary my product placement and scrunching tension to try to balance out the diff. SLightly more gel in the canopy surface and less tension when I scrunch the under layers. It does actually make a difference. I have also found that my canopy needs to be "freed up" from the body of my hair, otherwise it clings to it and doesnt curl up as much. Does this make sense? I free it up by swing my head gently from side to side so the layers loosen and separate.
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