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Old 03-16-2009, 04:57 PM   #21
 
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I have no prob with that PolyQuat, but have had issues with castor. And I used the Mop C briefly when I first went CG - it left my hair with an Elmers glue-like build up.
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I haven't had any Castor problems because I Low Poo regularly. According to this thread Cones, polyquats, ions, and removal of buildup about removing cones, polyquats say that coco betain should get rid of any polyquat. I'm so confused..........
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I have no prob with that PolyQuat, but have had issues with castor. And I used the Mop C briefly when I first went CG - it left my hair with an Elmers glue-like build up.
WHAT could be in Mop that gives that Elmers glue feeling??????
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Del, how can it be the polyquat?? That makes no sense when you think of the products you have used in the past without this problem. it has to be something else...
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I have no prob with that PolyQuat, but have had issues with castor. And I used the Mop C briefly when I first went CG - it left my hair with an Elmers glue-like build up.
WHAT could be in Mop that gives that Elmers glue feeling??????
I dunno... just reread the ingredients.... I know with my hair, lots of those oils that are in there make my hair tangly and coated feeling.... but they are down on the list....
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I am still going to guess overload of the oils. If they are saturating the hair, low poo just may not be enough.
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I'm going to second that - those oils would wreak havoc on my hair - and mine isnt as dry or coarse as yours (according to you, del).
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I am still going to guess overload of the oils. If they are saturating the hair, low poo just may not be enough.
Citrus Medica Limonum (Lemon) Peel Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Oil, Geranium Maculatum Oil, Mentha Viridis (Spearmint) Leaf Oil, Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime) Oil, Zingiber Officinale (Ginger) Root Oil

these are all the oils in MOP-C

It could be why it took a while to build up on me rudee whereas with you it was immediate
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I am still going to guess overload of the oils. If they are saturating the hair, low poo just may not be enough.
Citrus Medica Limonum (Lemon) Peel Oil, Citrus Aurantium Dulcis (Orange) Oil, Geranium Maculatum Oil, Mentha Viridis (Spearmint) Leaf Oil, Citrus Aurantifolia (Lime) Oil, Zingiber Officinale (Ginger) Root Oil

these are all the oils in MOP-C

It could be why it took a while to build up on me rudee whereas with you it was immediate
Something else...Speckla had posted that her hair can't tolerate CITRUS or Protein they both leave her straw like. There's a lot citrus here........
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DEL2C - I would guess it is the polyquats. Shortly after going CG, I used the MOP Curl Defining Cream and experienced really dry straw hair and horrible Elmer's Glue type build up like someone else described. Low-poos would not remove the build up and I had to resort to a sulfate shampoo to rid my hair of the mess.

Now I avoid anything with polyquats, quaternium, and anything PEG-modified.

Sorry you're having such troubles and I hope you figure out the culprit!
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Hmm... no one's mentioned the castor oil yet. I know it's water-soluble, but it's a possibility right? Have you had issues with that before? I don't know what else it could be...
Don't think it's the castor oil. Even I can use PEG castor oil--at least PEG 40, which is in the CJ Coffee Coco CC.

Not sure what it could be. MOP C didn't do anything for me--no curl, no anything. Can't remember how my hair felt.
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Hmm... no one's mentioned the castor oil yet. I know it's water-soluble, but it's a possibility right? Have you had issues with that before? I don't know what else it could be...
Don't think it's the castor oil. Even I can use PEG castor oil--at least PEG 40, which is in the CJ Coffee Coco CC.

Not sure what it could be. MOP C didn't do anything for me--no curl, no anything. Can't remember how my hair felt.
I don't think it's the Castor either, never had problems using DevaArc with co-washing. I don't even think it's the polyquats really cuz I LOVE CK and that has Polyquat 10 and I've never noticed any other polyquats giving me trouble before. It's gotta be the oils, I've had plenty of trouble with Oils before...just didn't think the citrus ones would be problematic as well.......
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:34 PM   #33
 
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Since I have eliminated copolymers (plastic) my hair never gets gunky. I know they coat the scalp and clog hair follicles. I am dealing with hair loss issues right now.
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I agree about the citrus oils... they are hell on my hair. My hair is also VERY quick to respond to its known "irritants" - like If I use MagSulf or AmoDimeth ONCE my hair reacts badly... the same with most oils (citrus, jojobas, olive etc). I guess I overreact
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Old 03-16-2009, 05:40 PM   #35
 
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Del, sometimes hair just reacts. You won't figure it out until you have the issue again with something else. I figured out that my hair doesn't like goats milk. It reacted to the Dairy Whip the third time I used it. I got the AfroVeda leave in that had goats milk in it and had the same reaction. That's how I figured it out. There are other products that I'm allergic to--and I've never found a common ingredient.

Hope you find out. Maybe you will and maybe you won't.
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I am guessing it is the oils as well -- since both products have oils. My hair builds up really fast with any oils and I have to be careful with how much oils I use, I lose bounce really fast with products that contain oils. Some polyquats (the lower the #, the more buildup I notice) also give me that coated feeling. Those would be my guesses. Hope you can figure it out! I'll keep watching this post to see if anything else comes to mind. I really want to try the SMU but now I'm not sure!
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Someone else mentioned to me that these oils could just be for "scent' and that she uses oils very freely w/o any issues and Polyquats as well. But she never experienced build up like she did with Mop. The only other time I had this problem was with the soap bars and when I first went CG and didn't know about Low Poos. I've PM'd SwrilycurlyChemist because this is just so weird.....We need some science here!!
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I haven't tried the Deva pomade. But I have tried a bunch of MOP products including the MOP-C curl and C straight condishes.

My hair felt very coated after using the MOP condishes so I'm inclined to say it's connected to them. I don't see one ingredient that is the cause. Sometimes, how a product works is about the entire formulation and how water soluble it is. You don't want a completely water soluble condish (fatty alcohols, for example, aren't water soluble) because you want some moisture to remain. Much like an oil facial cleanser has emulsifiers that allow some of it to be washed away, too much emulsifier washes away some of your natural oils while too little leaves a film.

It's frustrating (to say the least) that there's no red flag because that means you have to try a product to know. I suspect, as others said, it's connected to the long list of oils because I had a similar rapid buildup from Giovanni condishes. However, I've had successful conditioner-relationships and no buildup issues from other condishes that were oil-rich.

The pomade may be adding insult to injury. My curls becomes irritable and less tolerant in spring when warmer days start breaking thru.

So I'd say it's multiple factors.
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Hmm... no one's mentioned the castor oil yet. I know it's water-soluble, but it's a possibility right? Have you had issues with that before? I don't know what else it could be...
Don't think it's the castor oil. Even I can use PEG castor oil--at least PEG 40, which is in the CJ Coffee Coco CC.

Not sure what it could be. MOP C didn't do anything for me--no curl, no anything. Can't remember how my hair felt.

Even so, a lot of people are bothered by castor oil. I can only use it occasionally and then I have to low-poo well to get it out. I have to really be careful how often I use ArcAngell and LOOB because of their castor oil. I think it's MsG that can't use it whatsoever. That combined with the other oils may just be too much even in someone that might normally be able to handle it.

And Hockeymomof3 may be right about the polyquat. The higher the number on a PEG/PPG modified ingredient, the better, according to an old Curly Chemist article - higher number=more water soluble.
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Don't think it's the castor oil. Even I can use PEG castor oil--at least PEG 40, which is in the CJ Coffee Coco CC.

Not sure what it could be. MOP C didn't do anything for me--no curl, no anything. Can't remember how my hair felt.

Even so, a lot of people are bothered by castor oil. I can only use it occasionally and then I have to low-poo well to get it out. I have to really be careful how often I use ArcAngell and LOOB because of their castor oil. I think it's MsG that can't use it whatsoever. That combined with the other oils may just be too much even in someone that might normally be able to handle it.

And Hockeymomof3 may be right about the polyquat. The higher the number on a PEG/PPG modified ingredient, the better, according to an old Curly Chemist article - higher number=more water soluble.
Don't remember about msg, but I'm the one who usually talks about serious issues with castor oil. The CV bars made my hair dry and frizzy because of castor oil, as did the original formula of the Komaza Coconut pudding. However, I can use the PEG castor oil--especially the higher ones like in the CJ Coffee Coco Curl creme.
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