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Old 03-19-2009, 06:26 AM   #1
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Default Can you strengthen hair without protein?

My hair does not like protein at all.
My hair shaft has thickened and has a longer life span now due to the vitamins I'm taking but my overall hair is still fine and prone to breakage (read the tangles thread) if I try to comb too often.

Is there anything I can use that will strengthen my hair that is protein free? Protein makes my hair crunchy, frizzy, and very dry.
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Old 03-19-2009, 10:41 AM   #2
 
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Maybe use a protein condish and then follow it up with a regular condish? I'm saying that because that works for me. I have a DT that has protein in it. It does a good job if I follow it up with a regular condish without protein. For whatever reason, the regular condish takes away the bad effects of the protein.
Other than that, continue to take your vitamins. I don't know what else you can do.
Maybe by making sure your hair gets enough moisture, that might help it from breaking...do you use a leave-in after you shower? Does your rinse-out provide a lot of "slip?"
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:00 PM   #3
 
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What about trying cassia? Might help....
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:03 PM   #4
 
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Yeah, cassia and/or henna both strengthen it and make it less porous.
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I tend to think that Boomygrrl's advice is a good way to go. And actually, I've often read that following a protein treatment with a very moisturizing conditioner is highly recommended. (I always follow my Nexxus Emergencee treatments with a dose of AOHR.) Speckla, can you tolerate protein in your regular conditioners or is it just full-on protein treatments that pose a problem?

I used cassia for several months and really never saw much benefit. kem1v, did you see a difference when you used it? I've heard that henna helps but I haven't used it.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:22 PM   #6
 
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I used cassia for several months and really never saw much benefit. kem1v, did you see a difference when you used it? I've heard that henna helps but I haven't used it.
Difficult to say since I've only used cassia once! The reason I tried it is because I've noticed I have great hair for about 2 weeks after doing a henna treatment, but I don't want to end up with bright orange hair. So I used cassia for the first time about 10 days ago. It was good but the effects didn't last as long as when I've used henna.
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Old 03-19-2009, 12:30 PM   #7
 
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I used the cassia every three weeks last summer. I think it strengthened and gave me good volume. I got the same volume benefit from the natural soap bars--so it made it not worth the mess and trouble.
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Coconut oil will strengthen your hair by helping it retain protein so you will not need to add anymore:

Scroll down to the second paragraph under Alternative Oil for Hair:

http://www.hair-n-skin-care.com/askq...l-for-my-.html

It does leave some people's hair feeling hard and dry (likely the enhanced protein retention) so you may or may not like the way your hair feels with it. In general, most strengthening involves adding protein or retaining protein so I don't think protein can be cut out of the equation. A gentle protein treatment is Aubrey's GPB conditioner. I am protein sensitive and experience no ill effects from it. Just thicker and softer hair. I also second the recomendations to do protein treatments followed by moisturizing treatments. Once your hair reaches a level where it's not breaking, you can cut out the extra protein.
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Recently I started using simple henna/indigo glosses that don't use much of the plant and don't stay on that long, so I won't really be getting the benefit any more - part of the reason I've started using protein again lately. But from Labor Day until I started doing the glosses, I was doing more typical applications, and I could definitely tell a difference. I was using both henna and cassia in my mix and never tried cassia alone, though.

As others have said, I have to use a good conditioner like AOHR or Biolage/GVP Conditioning Balm after a protein treatment. And I usually still use some KBB leave-in, too. It is crunchy, dry, and frizzy as you describe, Speckla, if I don't.
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This past weekend, I did a protein DT and followed it up with some AOHR. Then that night, I slathered on JC WDT and slept with it in. That really helped put some moisture back in and I've had pretty good hair days all this week.
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Speckla, can you tolerate protein in your regular conditioners or is it just full-on protein treatments that pose a problem?

I used cassia for several months and really never saw much benefit. kem1v, did you see a difference when you used it? I've heard that henna helps but I haven't used it.
I usually can't use any products that have protein no matter where they are on the list. I can use soya protein if I've recently colored but that's the only time. Will Cassia change the color of my hair?

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I usually can't use any products that have protein no matter where they are on the list. I can use soya protein if I've recently colored but that's the only time. Will Cassia change the color of my hair?

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No color change. That's why it's called "neutral" henna. Truth is that it's a different plant.
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I usually can't use any products that have protein no matter where they are on the list. I can use soya protein if I've recently colored but that's the only time. Will Cassia change the color of my hair?

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No color change. That's why it's called "neutral" henna. Truth is that it's a different plant.
I tried googling cassia and came up with cassia oil? Is it an oil? and where can you buy a good, pure product?
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Here's where you can learn more and buy it:

http://www.mehandi.com/hair/cassiaobovata.html
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I usually can't use any products that have protein no matter where they are on the list. I can use soya protein if I've recently colored but that's the only time. Will Cassia change the color of my hair?

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No color change. That's why it's called "neutral" henna. Truth is that it's a different plant.
I tried googling cassia and came up with cassia oil? Is it an oil? and where can you buy a good, pure product?
No, it's not an oil, as you've probably already found out if you followed the link Jillipoo provided . . . .
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