are there good and bad proteins?

Hi,

I ditched all my poo and condish silicone, started to co wash, use low pow and read ingredients labels but I'm sometimes still having problems.

I've been reading other posts and threads, I've come to the conclusion that I THINK I may be protein sensitive.

I'm not asking for product names as I know what you get in the US are often not available here in UK, but what proteins should I be wary of and which are fine?

I've noticed hydrolised wheat proteins, should I avoid these? are amino acids protein? which proteins seem to be notorious for causing that feeling of being dry as straw even if you're head is drenched in water?

Any advice would be welcome before I have to bin another load of products and start over?
UK based curly bonce! (Lancs)
silicone, or not to silicone - that is the question!!!

Uses:
CG - australian organics (Holland and Barratt) poo & condish, Louise Galvin Deep condish treatment, boots pink curl creme
non CG - Umberto Gianni pink range, L'Oreal Studio Line Curl Power Controlling Creme
Still searching for the winning combination!!!
It's a pretty individual thing. Some proteins are tolerable for some, but the worst for others. You'll have to experiment to see what ingredients work well for you.

Those are both proteins. Anything that says protein, hydrolyzed, amino acids, and silk are proteins. Grains, like wheat and brewer's yeast can cause problems. Coconut oil isn't a protein, but can retain them.
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There are no good or bad proteins, per se -- only what each individual's hair likes or doesn't like.

I recently did an interview with one of our highly knowledgeable members here at NC.com and she addressed the different types of protein. That interview might help you.

I'm at work and have to stop here (stupid job!) but will add more later. Sorry.
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Hi,

I ditched all my poo and condish silicone, started to co wash, use low pow and read ingredients labels but I'm sometimes still having problems.

I've been reading other posts and threads, I've come to the conclusion that I THINK I may be protein sensitive.

I'm not asking for product names as I know what you get in the US are often not available here in UK, but what proteins should I be wary of and which are fine?

I've noticed hydrolised wheat proteins, should I avoid these? are amino acids protein? which proteins seem to be notorious for causing that feeling of being dry as straw even if you're head is drenched in water?

Any advice would be welcome before I have to bin another load of products and start over?
Originally Posted by hahgiwoofa
Hydrolyzed anything is usually a culprit for Protein sens. curlies. WHEAT proteins are very problematic. You will have to play around a bit unfortunately. That's how I discovered what Proteins my hair despises. Silk proteins are fine for me amino acids are also fine. Its the WHEAT that kills me instantly I can feel my hair turn to straw it's horrible. Soy protein gives me problems but it takes a few doses to build up so I just avoid that one as well. What are you using at the moment can you post your ingredients so we can better help with what's bothering your curls?
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
OK, deep breath!! when I have noticed the straw feeling I've been using combinations of;

TIGI Oatmeal and Honey conditioner
Ingredients: Aqua (water/eau), cetyl alcohol,
stearyl alcohol, persea gratissma (avocado) fruit extract, wheat aminco acids, quaternium-79, hydrolyzed soy protein, hydrolyzed wheat amino acids, quaternium-79, hydrolyzed soy protein, hydrolyzed wheat protein, avena satva (oat) kernel extract, panthenol, tocopherol, mel (honey),
buxus sempervirens leaf extract, santalum album (sandalwood) oil, pogostemon cablin oil, juniperuscommunis fruit extract, cananga odorata flower extract, phenoxyethanol, stearalkonium chloride, methylparaben, propylparaben, butylparaben, ethylparaben, cetrimonium bromide, parfum (fragrance), benzyl benzoate, coumarin.

nicky clarke take it as red conditioner
ingredients
Aqua, Cetyl Alcohol,
cocamide mea, stearamideopropyl,
dimethylamine, hydroxyethyl-cellulose,
mica, cetrimonium chloride, parfum,
panthenol, lactic acid, benzophenone4, polquaternium10, propylene glycol,
linalool, sodium chloride, lawsonia inermis,
silk amino acid, coumarin, citronellol, diethylphtalate, hydroxycitronellal,
benzylbenzoate, geraniol, citric acid,
cinnamyl alcohol, eugenol, daucus carota,
sodium acetate, sorbitol, citral, benzoic acid,
hexyl cinnamal, isopropyl alcohol,
phenoxyethanol, methylparaben, ethylparaben, butylparaben, isobutylparaben, propylparaben, CI 77491, 47005, 17200, 42090

Aussie Miracle moist conditioner
Ingredients;
Aqua, cetearyl alcohol,
behentrimonium chloride, cetyl ester,
acetamide mea, sodium pca,
dmdm hydantoin, parfum,
phenoxyethanol, methylparaben,
cetrimonium chloride, cetearyl alcohol,
polysorbate 60, linalool, propylparaben,
hydrolised wheat protein, hydrolised wheat starch, butylphenyl methylpropional,
aloe vera, limonene, trideceth12 propelene glycol, macadamia ternofolia, abthemis nobilis, anigozanthos flavidus, taraxacum officinale, calendula officinalis, prunus serotina,
equisetum arvense, sambucus nigra,
allium sativum, urtica dioica,
ethylparaben, butyl paraben, isobutylparaben, CI19140, 17200

Umberto Giannini Curl friends conditioner
Ingredient;
Aqua, cetearyl alcohol,
PVP/DMAPA acrylates copolymer,
cocamide mea, cetrimonium chloride,
stearalkonium chloride, glycreyl stearate,
peg100 stearate, hydrolised wheat protein,
pvp cross polmer, parafum methylparaben, methyldibromo glutaronitnile, phenoxyethanol, CI17200, 47005

Louise Galvin deep conditioning treatment
ingredients;
Aqua, cetearyl alcohol,
behentrimomium chloride,
glycerin (veg)
hydroxypropyltrimonium honey,
simmondsia chinensis,
hydrolised corn protein,
hydrolised soy protein,
hydrolised wheat protein,
linum usitatissimum,
xantham gum, althaea officinalis,
prunus amygdalusdulcis,
glyceryl stereate
inulin, vitisvinifera,
foeniculumvulgare (fennel) seed extract,
phenxyethanol, benzyl alcohol,
potassium sorbate, panthenol,
citrus paradisi, citurs limonum, citrus sinensis, cymbopogon martini, citrus reticulata
pelargonium odoratissimum,
pogostemon punicifolia (acerola) fruit extract
tocopherol, citric acid,
geraniol, linalol, benzyl benzoate
citronellol, limonene

I have been using one as a co wash (usually the nicky clarke - occasionally with a couple of drops of sulphate shampoo in) then one of the others after as a proper condtioner. I have tried leaving each one out, and differing combos of each. It seems to make no difference with or without the shampoo

Does anything scream out at anyone as bad?
UK based curly bonce! (Lancs)
silicone, or not to silicone - that is the question!!!

Uses:
CG - australian organics (Holland and Barratt) poo & condish, Louise Galvin Deep condish treatment, boots pink curl creme
non CG - Umberto Gianni pink range, L'Oreal Studio Line Curl Power Controlling Creme
Still searching for the winning combination!!!
Well, they all have protein in them. It took me about three weeks to get over the dryness and straw feelings after discovering I was sensitive to protein. In my experience, leaving one of them out a few times wouldn't help much, because it took so long to get over.

If it were me, I'd cut them all out until your hair is moisturized and back to normal. Then try adding them back in one at a time to narrow down which ingredients you are having problems with.

ETA: It may just be a protein overload problem, in which case I'd still cut them all out and work on getting moisture back.
CG since 6/15/08!
Medium-Fine/Normal Porosity

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Last edited by curlyjenn10; 03-31-2009 at 10:43 AM.
It varies from person to person - I'm very protein sensitive. Some folks can tolerate a little, some can tolerate a lot. Once I cut protein out completely, my hair perked right up, and I haven't gone back since. And the advice that Curlyjenn just gave you is good advice - just cut the protein out for now and see how your hair behaves. Add in tiny bits and see if it reacts - that's what I did.
CG since 1/09. Protein and Mag Sulfate sensitive.
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Low-poo as needed - Beautiful Curls Curl Enhancing Shampoo.
Cond./Leave-In - Beautiful Curls Curl Enhancing Shea Butter Leave-In Conditioner.
Stylers - Jane Carter Solution Condition and Sculpt; Beautiful Curls Curl Defining Gel.
Thanks so much for the advice, I'm totally floundering!!

It sounds like a good idea in theory, but if I cut them out what do I use? Everything else I can find has silicone in! what's worse, silicone or protein?!?!

For a relative newbie it's SO frustrating!!! expecially as the UK seems quite limited for products.

Has anyone every just gone back to using baby shampoo and condtioner with any success!!!!
UK based curly bonce! (Lancs)
silicone, or not to silicone - that is the question!!!

Uses:
CG - australian organics (Holland and Barratt) poo & condish, Louise Galvin Deep condish treatment, boots pink curl creme
non CG - Umberto Gianni pink range, L'Oreal Studio Line Curl Power Controlling Creme
Still searching for the winning combination!!!
Ok let's try to stick to one thread for this subject I just posted on the Texture/Porosity one but to make it easier let's just follow this one

The WHEAT and they Hyrdrolized Soy and Corn is a good place to start cutting OUT the protein. Can you do some on-line shopping for some new conditioner????? If you truly can't find anything in the UK w/o silicone or wheat I'm sure you can find something on-line. You can edit your thread title and ask for some UK curlies to chime in and help you too.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
Thanks, I'll try that. I'm just always a bit wary about import charges from US, and I guess all our major retailers in UK must have same stockists as each shop just seems to carry the same lines.

Sorry about the dual posting but the other thread seemed to be read more so thought I'd try my luck there too.
UK based curly bonce! (Lancs)
silicone, or not to silicone - that is the question!!!

Uses:
CG - australian organics (Holland and Barratt) poo & condish, Louise Galvin Deep condish treatment, boots pink curl creme
non CG - Umberto Gianni pink range, L'Oreal Studio Line Curl Power Controlling Creme
Still searching for the winning combination!!!
I don't blame you for not wanting to pay for shipping chgs. That's why I suggested you get some input from other UK curlies, there has to be some that are also protein sensitive. Does BOOTS make any conditioners???
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
Are V05 conditioners available in the UK? I think I remember reading that somewhere. The ones that aren't from the moisture milks line are free of protein and good for co-washing.
CG since 6/15/08!
Medium-Fine/Normal Porosity

http://collegecurly.blogspot.com/

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