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Old 04-07-2009, 11:00 PM   #21
 
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Might I also suggest doing a sugar scrub on your scalp? That could help get rid of the bumps and itchiness without resorting to shampooing. I just suggest this because I've recently been through this myself, though my thinning hair is due to taking a prescription medication. I've been shampooing and it's been causing itching, flaking and itchy bumps. I used a sugar scrub and the flaking and itching stopped immediately and the bumps went away.

I'm going to be giving full CG a try again since my scalp seems to be freaking out and I seem to have discovered finally how to co-wash in a way that works for me.
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I work out 6-7 times a week and I've been able to maintain no-poo. I'm also much older so my skin is probably less oily.

As for it looking thinner, I suspect it is the CG doing that. My hair clumps together more (and quite oddly at times) on CG then it did before so it looks thinner too. Although I shed a lot of hair when I detangle, I know I'm not balding.
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I really think CG is not for active people. I work out and play sports multiple times in any given week, so obviously I sweat a lot and I get dirty.

I've been CG since the start of 2009, it was working well for my hair but not for my scalp. I've been having an itchy scalp and I also have some bumps on my scalp. I thought its just my scalp getting adjusted, but its been 3+ months and I still have some of those bumps. I've been doing some research and I think its clogged hair follicles. Probably from the sweat and dirt and so on. I don't think conditioner washing is strong enough to get rid of that stuff.

So, I've decided to use a low-poo every week or so. I just bought the giovanni tea tree triple treat shampoo.

What do you guys think about this whole issue?
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I know what you are talking about. I experienced something similar to what this last summer when I was playing sports outside in the heat and also working at my college's community garden: sweating for hours and CG just didn't mix for me. I didn't have scalp bumps so much as massive amounts of greasy, white buildup and dandruff.
Co-washing daily, brown sugar scrubs, ACV rinses, lemon juice, tea tree oil, none of it really worked for me. Finally, after being CG for five months with all that nasty dandruff, I low pooed. My hair didn't like it : ( but my scalp did.
I'd say low poo. Don't be surprised if the first time you do it, you still have the gross scalp. I had to do it several times over several days. Eventually I wound up washing with sulfates, but it was just because I was really grossed out by what my scalp had become.
You might not have to.
I still have to low poo because the dandruff, itchiness and buildup flare up after a while with me no matter what (although I am still really active).
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I personally held off going CG for a while because I was basically lived at the barn all day long and the thought of not shampooing when I had dirt, grime, and horse poop dust floating about my head just kinda disgusted me.

Once I was done with my research, I decided to give it a shot and I've liked it, although I do low-poo once or twice a week.
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I really think CG is not for active people. I work out and play sports multiple times in any given week, so obviously I sweat a lot and I get dirty.

I've been CG since the start of 2009, it was working well for my hair but not for my scalp. I've been having an itchy scalp and I also have some bumps on my scalp. I thought its just my scalp getting adjusted, but its been 3+ months and I still have some of those bumps. I've been doing some research and I think its clogged hair follicles. Probably from the sweat and dirt and so on. I don't think conditioner washing is strong enough to get rid of that stuff.

So, I've decided to use a low-poo every week or so. I just bought the giovanni tea tree triple treat shampoo.

What do you guys think about this whole issue?
I don't usually post but I had to on this subject because I've had LOTS of experience.
I know what you are talking about. I experienced something similar to what this last summer when I was playing sports outside in the heat and also working at my college's community garden: sweating for hours and CG just didn't mix for me. I didn't have scalp bumps so much as massive amounts of greasy, white buildup and dandruff.
Co-washing daily, brown sugar scrubs, ACV rinses, lemon juice, tea tree oil, none of it really worked for me. Finally, after being CG for five months with all that nasty dandruff, I low pooed. My hair didn't like it : ( but my scalp did.
I'd say low poo. Don't be surprised if the first time you do it, you still have the gross scalp. I had to do it several times over several days. Eventually I wound up washing with sulfates, but it was just because I was really grossed out by what my scalp had become.
You might not have to.
I still have to low poo because the dandruff, itchiness and buildup flare up after a while with me no matter what (although I am still really active).
Good luck!
Exactly, I think my hair liked strict CG but my scalp didn't. This is not good because a healthy scalp is essential for healthy hair. (I sound like a head & shoulders commercial)

So, you shampooed multiple times initially and you slowly cut back eventually?
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I'm very active as well--I work out 10-12 hours per week, including about an hour of cardio every morning.

I just use Johnson & Johson twice a week (Sundays & Thursdays, not that I'm a creature of habit or anything). It's gentle, sulfate free & seems to be a decent cleanser.

I'm 41, I've been CG for about a year now & my hair is as thick & healthy as ever.
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Hi Curlylion - yeah I think sometimes you have to do what's best for you. When I am really active I can still CO wash, but every so often I feel the need for a nice shampoo to really clean my scalp. You could try the low poo, or a sulfate poo, but still coat your midshaft and ends with conditioner to protect the hair.

Also, the suggestion one of the posters made about the sugar scrub may work too. Once in a while if my scalp gets itchy, I just take a palmful of brown sugar and scrub my scalp with it. It think of it as exfoliation for the scalp and it feels so good!
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I would like to thank you all for scaring the hell out of me with this whole baldness talk. lol

I know this forum is bias towards CG, but I didn't know people will say that I'm balding (without seeing me) before questioning CG. haha I didn't take any offense, its just funny that's all.

With all that being said, I love CG too but my scalp doesnt.

If it was just the thinning hair without the itchy, flaky scalp with bumps, I might agree with y'all and say that it might be balding. So, I really don't think its balding.

I gave CG 3 months, so I'm gonna give low-poo 3 months too and see if I see any improvement before consulting the doctor.
Sorry! Didn't mean to skeer you, LOL.

As I kept saying, I imagine CG's probably all it is, but I just wouldn't let it go on indefinitely if there's not an improvement in the thinning fairly soon after you go back to washing.

I was losing hair myself a couple of years ago due to hormones, prescription drugs or something yet undetermined - seemed to have both breakage and shedding all of a sudden. Cutting out harsh sulfates and going modified CG has helped as much as anything. Tried straight CG for a couple of weeks but had to go back to washing for my scalp, too. Had never heard of Giovanni at all until here. Tried the GTTTT and have never looked back. Hair's filled back in and scalp's healthier than it was with medicated shampoos, even prescription shampoos. Henna/cassia has helped strengthen it, too, so I'm not getting any breakage, though I doubt that's a problem for a young guy like you.

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I'm very active as well--I work out 10-12 hours per week, including about an hour of cardio every morning.

I just use Johnson & Johson twice a week (Sundays & Thursdays, not that I'm a creature of habit or anything). It's gentle, sulfate free & seems to be a decent cleanser.

I'm 41, I've been CG for about a year now & my hair is as thick & healthy as ever.
Johnson and Johnson? As in baby shampoo? The big classic orangy/yellow bottle? Or is this something different?
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I'm very active as well--I work out 10-12 hours per week, including about an hour of cardio every morning.

I just use Johnson & Johson twice a week (Sundays & Thursdays, not that I'm a creature of habit or anything). It's gentle, sulfate free & seems to be a decent cleanser.

I'm 41, I've been CG for about a year now & my hair is as thick & healthy as ever.
Johnson and Johnson? As in baby shampoo? The big classic orangy/yellow bottle? Or is this something different?
Yep, the baby shampoo. I don't know that the ingredients are all that different, when I started CG I used the original, but then discovered there's a J&J for curly hair. It's green, if that helps.
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I'm very active as well--I work out 10-12 hours per week, including about an hour of cardio every morning.

I just use Johnson & Johson twice a week (Sundays & Thursdays, not that I'm a creature of habit or anything). It's gentle, sulfate free & seems to be a decent cleanser.

I'm 41, I've been CG for about a year now & my hair is as thick & healthy as ever.
Johnson and Johnson? As in baby shampoo? The big classic orangy/yellow bottle? Or is this something different?
Yep, the baby shampoo. I don't know that the ingredients are all that different, when I started CG I used the original, but then discovered there's a J&J for curly hair. It's green, if that helps.
Interesting! I thought I read that it had SLS, but I just checked and apparently it has coco...betaine. Is it really gentle and doesn't make your hair feel stripped? I might have to pick some up.
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I really think CG is not for active people. I work out and play sports multiple times in any given week, so obviously I sweat a lot and I get dirty.

I've been CG since the start of 2009, it was working well for my hair but not for my scalp. I've been having an itchy scalp and I also have some bumps on my scalp. I thought its just my scalp getting adjusted, but its been 3+ months and I still have some of those bumps. I've been doing some research and I think its clogged hair follicles. Probably from the sweat and dirt and so on. I don't think conditioner washing is strong enough to get rid of that stuff.

So, I've decided to use a low-poo every week or so. I just bought the giovanni tea tree triple treat shampoo.

What do you guys think about this whole issue?
I don't usually post but I had to on this subject because I've had LOTS of experience.
I know what you are talking about. I experienced something similar to what this last summer when I was playing sports outside in the heat and also working at my college's community garden: sweating for hours and CG just didn't mix for me. I didn't have scalp bumps so much as massive amounts of greasy, white buildup and dandruff.
Co-washing daily, brown sugar scrubs, ACV rinses, lemon juice, tea tree oil, none of it really worked for me. Finally, after being CG for five months with all that nasty dandruff, I low pooed. My hair didn't like it : ( but my scalp did.
I'd say low poo. Don't be surprised if the first time you do it, you still have the gross scalp. I had to do it several times over several days. Eventually I wound up washing with sulfates, but it was just because I was really grossed out by what my scalp had become.
You might not have to.
I still have to low poo because the dandruff, itchiness and buildup flare up after a while with me no matter what (although I am still really active).
Good luck!
Exactly, I think my hair liked strict CG but my scalp didn't. This is not good because a healthy scalp is essential for healthy hair. (I sound like a head & shoulders commercial)

So, you shampooed multiple times initially and you slowly cut back eventually?[/quote]

Yes, I had to shampoo multiple times to get to the point that when I scratched my head insane amounts of white/yellow flakes and stuff didn't come off (sorry to be graffic). Dandruff and seborrheic dermatitis can actually be caused/exacerbated by not shampooing enough. Here's a link about that:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/dan...SECTION=causes

After a lot of experimenting, I've found that I can only go a day or two without shampooing, especially when I'm working out a lot. I low poo about every other day. My hair will never look as good as when I was straight CG though : (
I'm still trying to find a low poo I like. Right now I am using Burt's Bees Baby shampoo and wash. It's okay; cleans my hair without really drying it out.
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I agree about the sugar scrub.

I've had oily hair and scalp since I hit adolescence, and used to wash my hair at least once a day. It took a while for that to settle down after I started CGing, but it eventually did.

FWIW, Lorraine Massey admits in CG that some people need to use a non-sulfate shampoo sometimes, although most won't. So I did. The Deva LoPoo worked well for me, but I like Jessicurl's Cleansing Cream or Gentle Lather Shampoo particularly well. As time goes by, I need to lopoo less often, but I still do sometimes, and now I can water wash once in a while. On the rare occasion when scalp buildup seems to be an issue (which has been never since I gave up a particular conditioner), I've found the sugar scrub worked nicely for me.
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Since I'm a wavy and since I live a a town with incredibly high pollution, I usually low poo twice a week, but I got this little dipenser that I use and dilute the low poo with water and then apply it directly on the scalp... I have had the best hair and scalp ever with this technique, since the poo goes where it needs to be and it doesn't linger on my lenghts my hair's favorite low poo has a very mild sulfate in it, but it doesn't seem to bother my hair
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I guess we have established that low-poo is a must for those who are very active.
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I guess we have established that low-poo is a must for those who are very active.
I must say, SHAMPOO BARS may be even better.
im active - i dance at school in the morning for 1 1/2 hours, and dance and do winterguard average of 4 hrs. a night. Sometimes i run 1-2 miles also.

these things may not seem real invigorating, but you'd be surprised. now, i didnt have a scalp issue except white buildup, which i dont think is from activity, but i <3 these things.

maybe give those a try first? they are technically and ingredient-ly CG.
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I guess we have established that low-poo is a must for those who are very active.
I must say, SHAMPOO BARS may be even better.
im active - i dance at school in the morning for 1 1/2 hours, and dance and do winterguard average of 4 hrs. a night. Sometimes i run 1-2 miles also.

these things may not seem real invigorating, but you'd be surprised. now, i didnt have a scalp issue except white buildup, which i dont think is from activity, but i <3 these things.

maybe give those a try first? they are technically and ingredient-ly CG.
I've heard people complain about shampoo bars being too drying.

So shampoo bars or low-poos, which is less drying?
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I must say, SHAMPOO BARS may be even better.
im active - i dance at school in the morning for 1 1/2 hours, and dance and do winterguard average of 4 hrs. a night. Sometimes i run 1-2 miles also.

these things may not seem real invigorating, but you'd be surprised. now, i didnt have a scalp issue except white buildup, which i dont think is from activity, but i <3 these things.

maybe give those a try first? they are technically and ingredient-ly CG.
I've heard people complain about shampoo bars being too drying.

So shampoo bars or low-poos, which is less drying?
I personally experienced less drying with the shampoo bars. Lately, any shampoo seems to freak my hair out.
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No...going no-poo or CG does not work for me. It leaves me overconditioned and oily in a second no matter what I use, so that's not what's not working.
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I must say, SHAMPOO BARS may be even better.
im active - i dance at school in the morning for 1 1/2 hours, and dance and do winterguard average of 4 hrs. a night. Sometimes i run 1-2 miles also.

these things may not seem real invigorating, but you'd be surprised. now, i didnt have a scalp issue except white buildup, which i dont think is from activity, but i <3 these things.

maybe give those a try first? they are technically and ingredient-ly CG.
I've heard people complain about shampoo bars being too drying.

So shampoo bars or low-poos, which is less drying?
I personally experienced less drying with the shampoo bars. Lately, any shampoo seems to freak my hair out.
That's been my take on them, too. I know Kathymack brags on them and how moisturizing they are all the time.
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Depending on how good I'm being, I am pretty active. (Working out 5 times or more a week.) I love CG. You might have to co-wash more, or maybe plan your workouts so your lighter days are in between your heavy days so you might not feel you have to wash your hair on the light days. I think my hair is the healthiest it's ever been. I can't believe I used all that other junk on my hair for most of my life. That's just my opinion though.
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