How do you apply and dry?

I am having major issues with my application technique:

1. Brushing - this is great when I have tons of conditioner in, but I absolutely cannot do this if I can't follow with a water-rinse. Recently I've been trying to brush it with my head upside down, rinse upside down, apply upside down, then plop and then I'm not right side up until I unplop. But then the entire back of my hair is glued to my head.

I also tried brushing right side up, but then the front hair is stuck to my head and I can't them back to normal without destroying it (although "it" doesn't even look good...so that's relative.).

2. Finger-combing/raking - this is also horrible, and I have no chance of clumps unless I follow with a turbo water-rinse.

3. Smoothing - this has promise, but I do it upside down so that my front hair isn't pasted to my scalp. The problem is in I can't reach the "inside hair" unless I scrunch in there, which brings me to...

4. Scrunching - this is something I can only do very little of. My clumps fall apart with too much scrunching. And "too much" is pretty much 3 scrunches. I try to reserve scrunching for when I dry with a t-shirt. Speaking of which...

Drying with my t-shirt: pretty sure it's breaking up my clumps a lot, and is a real culprit here, but how else do I dry my hair? I can't apply product without really wet hair, so I can't dry and then apply. I am in the middle of getting a CLU cloth, which I hope will help, but even then...

So my question is, how do I apply and dry?

Sorry for the textbook, just trying to give you everything you need to help me!
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)

Last edited by onethousandcurls; 04-16-2009 at 12:33 PM.
I apply all products to soaking wet hair, like mysteryflavor's video:

Kinky-Curly styling video

I think you'll find scrunching product out with the curl towel helps. Have you seen the thread about the hard bonnet dryer? That might help. I find the less I move or touch my hair after applying product the better.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

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HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I've tried mysteryflavored's technique, no dice. I really try each new thing, product or technique, for a couple weeks to make sure I've exhausted it, and in all kinds of combinations.

I can't figure what I need to do for definition and clumping.
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
Do you keep a hair journal? I know it helped me a lot, because I would have great hair days and forget what I've done differently to get that(!)....now I keep a detailed hair journal, I downloaded a program called "My Journal" actually

With a journal, you can find out which combinations of techniques and products work best for you. Good luck!
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Type: Mix of 1c/2c/3a , fine-ish medium, ii/iii, normal porosity
Lenght: U-Shaped BSL
Goal: Wavy and clumpy waist length hair
My hair really likes the more natural products. How about that? Stay away from all of the chemicals.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
Here is another video. I keep my hair a lot wetter but I section it off the same. I do the sides and back upright then I do the top upside down. I found washing, rinsing everything upside-down is a pain and everything gets tangled and flattens out just the same in the end. I use a light product and use a LOT in each section. I found micro fiber works better than a t-shirt because it is a lot more absorbent so you do not have to scrunch as much. The key is to scrunch and HOLD gently for a several seconds and move on to another section. I air dry 1/2 hour then diffuse. What products are you using and why are you brushing?





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Type: 3a, fine, thin, low porosity Water/Climate: soft/ marine Washes: water w/washcloth, shikakai, clay Condition: Style:Seamollient, CurlsPFCCP, Miracurl, Gel-les'c, CK; rudeechick's super soaker method; blot, air dry 30 min; diffuse Also: coconut oil

I feel your pain. I have this area in the back that just never seems to get any product. Sometimes I think plopping is pulling it straight and removing product (like what seems to be happening to you), which just makes that part straight and fuzzy looking.

I think mysteryflavored's hair is beyond awesome, but I just can't follow her video. My hair is not that voluminous and bouncy when it's soaking wet. Maybe my shower just has ultra-high pressure or something, but if I style upright, my canopy is flat against my head like a pancake. Like you, if I try to fluff up the roots after that, it destroys the already-formed curls (which are flat anyway).

Because of that, I have to do everything upside down. I comb it upside down in the shower with conditioner, rinse, rake in leave-in and curl cream, then scrunch in gel. I can scrunch a fair amount without it getting stringy, so I can't help you there. Are you scruching too violently? I try not to scrunch too roughly in order to preserve the water. Squeezing out too much water like that will just make my hair frizzy.

Anyway, I gently scrunch out excess water with my CLU cloth and plop for the bare minimum amount of time that it takes me to get dressed, and then I take it down to diffuse. My best technique so far for getting rid of the flat-against-the-back-of-head look is to tip my head back and shake gently. I then use a little spray gel on that spot that always dries weird (it looks fine when it's wet), and that has helped a little.

Just wondering... how long is your hair? This wasn't a problem for me until I cut it to above shoulder-length (it actually curls up more now than in my avatar). I think that fuzzy spot was always there, but it didn't matter since it was hidden under all my other hair. Now that it's shorter and that's the bottom layer poking out, it's definitely visible.

This was mostly a sympathy post. Let me know if you figure something out!
Fine but dense 3B: naturally red, naturally curly
CG since July 8, 2008!
Co-Wash: Suave Wild Cherry Blossom Conditioner
Rinse-Out: Giovanni TTTT Conditioner
Leave-In: Suave Wild Cherry Blossom Conditioner
Products: Clairol 3-in-1 Condition mousse with L.A. Looks Sport gel
Fotki pw: curls Updated 9-4-09
Domino - No, I don't keep a journal, but I think you're absolutely correct, I definitely should, especially until I find what I like and when I'm using new things. I will try that, although I need a good day to record! Thanks.

KM - I just started playing with AOMM, and I think I like it, although my technique is so bad no product can fix my hair. I suppose you're referring to the Lustrasilk and the GVP. The only thing is, I need something super moisturizing and AOHR just doesn't work for me. I have some AOWC, but when I tried it a couple weeks ago, it felt pretty light. I will definitely revisit that, I suppose. Do you know of something natural but extremely moisturizing?

Heather- Thanks a lot for posting that video. I'll try it next time I wash, which will be ASAP considering how unfit for public viewing my hair is. I've been having the feeling I needed to section my hair for application. I'm glad I can blame the t-shirt just a little, too! My CLU cloth is coming!

I'm using what's in my sig, and I'm brushing because in the shower, I get clumps after scrunching a little after brushing. I rinse out my condish and apply product...that's where everything goes to hell.

Sarah - Are you kidding me? I would thoroughly enjoy having what you'd probably consider a bad hairday for you!! I have tried tipping my head back and shaking gently, but to no avail : ( Thanks for the sympathy, this was part rant anyway!
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
Sarah - Are you kidding me? I would thoroughly enjoy having what you'd probably consider a bad hairday for you!! I have tried tipping my head back and shaking gently, but to no avail : ( Thanks for the sympathy, this was part rant anyway!
Originally Posted by onethousandcurls
Sometimes I shake more violently and loosen things up with my fingers a bit. I tried taking my wide-toothed comb to it once... I would not recommend that.

My next experiment will be to try diffusing it completely upside down, too. It gave me wonky curls when it was longer, but it might work now.
Fine but dense 3B: naturally red, naturally curly
CG since July 8, 2008!
Co-Wash: Suave Wild Cherry Blossom Conditioner
Rinse-Out: Giovanni TTTT Conditioner
Leave-In: Suave Wild Cherry Blossom Conditioner
Products: Clairol 3-in-1 Condition mousse with L.A. Looks Sport gel
Fotki pw: curls Updated 9-4-09
I think I'll try smoothing in product in sections like the way they section in the Curlisto video HeatherOkay posted. The model in the video finger-combs it in (shudder!), but the sectioning is what's important.

That might help you get that back middle section that is hard to product.
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
I have already determined I am WAY too lazy to do the sectioning thing. I'd rather deal with the fluff.
Fine but dense 3B: naturally red, naturally curly
CG since July 8, 2008!
Co-Wash: Suave Wild Cherry Blossom Conditioner
Rinse-Out: Giovanni TTTT Conditioner
Leave-In: Suave Wild Cherry Blossom Conditioner
Products: Clairol 3-in-1 Condition mousse with L.A. Looks Sport gel
Fotki pw: curls Updated 9-4-09
I purchased a Denman D12 comb at Sally's beauty supply last week to apply products. The D12 is a plastic comb with 3 rows of teeth. I based this purchase on comments make in another thread. It is also only $3. (I will look for it)
I had been using a bakelite bone comb for detangeling, really helped me with clumping. However, I was unable to get KCCC to work with any consistancy. Clumps/curls were just not happening on my canopy with any consistancy. I had stringy and flat goofy looking "querkles". I dry using a t shirt/pineapple. The D12 took the "idiot factor" out of application" for me.

There is also the R2D2 fan club. Possibly using a hard hat type dryer would help. I don't have the coordination to use a diffuser or pixie curl so I am debatingy giving the R2D2 a chance. It is a really long thread packed with tips.

Good luck!
sarah, I seem to have the exact same issue you mentioned about the back of your hair. In the back, I am lucky if I can get a slight wave- it's mainly tons of frizz! but I get decent curl formation in the front. I do plop for 15 minutes a day, never thought that could be hurting me...
have you figured out anything that helps? I am at a total loss...
Sarah - I hear ya! Laaaaaaazzzzyyyyyy all the way. Except when it's the difference between crap and almost not crap hair.

Pilateschick - I tried a Denman D3, and that was useless, I returned it. I'm wondering if I should give up on brushing at all at any point in my shower. I feel like I did better (but not by much) with only fingers to detangle.

Ugghhhh, this is so vexing!

I tried the smoothing in sections thing today, I think I'll need a spritz bottle because my hair (especially the front big time) starts to dry as I'm working on other sections.
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
sarah, I seem to have the exact same issue you mentioned about the back of your hair. In the back, I am lucky if I can get a slight wave- it's mainly tons of frizz! but I get decent curl formation in the front. I do plop for 15 minutes a day, never thought that could be hurting me...
have you figured out anything that helps? I am at a total loss...
Originally Posted by xmyheart
Well, today I tried the spray gel again after plopping, but I didn't scrunch it in this time. It helped more, but it's still fluffy. The experiments will continue!

Sarah - I hear ya! Laaaaaaazzzzyyyyyy all the way. Except when it's the difference between crap and almost not crap hair.

I tried the smoothing in sections thing today, I think I'll need a spritz bottle because my hair (especially the front big time) starts to dry as I'm working on other sections.
Originally Posted by onethousandcurls
That was another reason I didn't bother trying the Curlisto method--there is no way my hair would still be soaking wet after twisting all of it up into sections that way. I also wouldn't be able to do that without a mirror to see the back of my head... and possibly a third hand.

I also can't believe the way she twists her hair after it's dry. I think she has a lot more curl potential than that method can give her.
Fine but dense 3B: naturally red, naturally curly
CG since July 8, 2008!
Co-Wash: Suave Wild Cherry Blossom Conditioner
Rinse-Out: Giovanni TTTT Conditioner
Leave-In: Suave Wild Cherry Blossom Conditioner
Products: Clairol 3-in-1 Condition mousse with L.A. Looks Sport gel
Fotki pw: curls Updated 9-4-09
Sarah, I totally agree!!!! That woman could probably get much tighter curls, but she FINGER COMBS and RAKES everything through! I am not a fan of the finished product with her, but I thought the sectioning might work...

Back to the drawing board. Anyone else with application methods? I'll hold off on drying methods till my CLU cloth arrives, since that might take care of it.
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
I think if I treated my hair like that video I wouldn't have any curl left at all!
3a
Currently Using: Suave Coconut, Aldi's Biolage Conditioning Balm knockoff, LOOB, and LA Looks sport gel....cheap and simple seems to be working better!
ModCG since 10/31/08
Well, the only thing I wanted to try from the video was the sectioning.

Ladies, HELP, I cannot figure out how to get ANY clumpage, or definition...I look horrible. Not kidding!!
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
I also have the frizzing in the back ):
But yesterday I tried this: Split hair in half and apply product by gently smoothing it over hair (do NOT rake anything) take your time with this to distribute it as evenly as possible. it has to be pretty wet though.. and then just scrunch it minimaly.. It doesn't loosen the curl I think.. It made my hair less frizzy in the back but the front looked kinda weird.. so I don't really know. Oh and I also scrunched with a shirt and held it for a few seconds. I plopped but only while I dressed (less then 10 min) and finished with shine spray when it was 90% dry.
Here's what I do and it works well for me...

1) Get out of the shower (still upside down and dripping) NOTE: No towel of any kind just yet. Just a lot of really wet hair.

2) Grab gel - right now that's Totally Twisted because the airline lost my luggage and I had to get replacements for all my products at Target. Otherwise its Arc Angell from Deva.

3) Squeeze out a big palmful (I have really long hair).

4) Grab aloe gel - squeeze out equal amount of that.

5) Mix well and start squishing into hair. I call it squishing and not scrunching because my hair is still so wet.

6) Squeeze out a half a palmful of gel and aloe. Flip hair up and squish in from the top. If I don't do this, I never quite seem to get the top and front of my head properly.

7) Plop for about 30 minutes in an old t-shirt. Because my hair is so long if I soak through one t-shirt, I will get a dry one and re-plop into it. Other than that, I don't touch my hair at all once I feel like the product is worked all the way through it.

Once I feel like the t-shirts have sucked up all the water they are going to, I take them off and let my hair air dry. I will put my clips in if I want to clip some sections up for volume.

9) If I want a really nice finish, I have some clips that I use. I divide my head, twist up strands and then clip my hair. The dogs always bark at me because I'm walking around the house, looking a little like Pinhead from Hellraiser, with all these clips all over my head. It takes a long time to dry like that, but I get really even nice curls and looks good for things like weddings, etc. You know, those extra special occasions with photographers....
TIA,

Morrignu

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