For those that get OCd or that water wash...

I have been getting so easily OCd for the past month. I only use my Suave, no heavier condish. I did a protein treatment that hepled for maybe 3 days. So today I decided to wash with water only. It was a disaster. My hair looks producty and has stringlets instead of clumps. So here's my questions.

How do you detangle without condish? It was a nightmare for me.

Do you use less product than normal? I used the same amounts I usually do but my hair is really producty today and it usually never is.

I rarely get second day hair so I had hoped water washing would work. Any tips?
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

FWIW, Lorraine Massey suggests water washing, then applying conditioner, combing it through with your fingers or a wide-toothed comb, and rinsing.

I OTOH like using a detangling spray, Curly Hair Solutions Slip. Let it sit on your hair 30 seconds before combing with your fingers.
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Morgan

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CGing since July 2008
I've water washed for the last 2 weeks because of OC'g, Jess.

I detangle the same way as I would with condish - using my fingers. I find my hair feels pretty slippery anyway because of the products. I will say the first few times I ww'd, I had a hard time detangling. That was only the first few times though. I don't know why it's better now but I no longer have any problems.

I rinse my hair until it is squeaky clean. I can feel this when I pull my hair back like making a ponytail and running hands the whole length. Once it's rinsed clean enough I will "hear" it's clean. Then I apply product same as I would if I'd co-washed and conditioned.

For me, to water wash then use rinse out condish to detangle would totally defeat the purpose which is to get my hair back to normal from OC'g.
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Whatsercurl I knew you'd respond to me I guess I'll just keep at it. Maybe my hair will just get used to it like yours did. Did you ever try a detangling spray? It's funny because I never even knew you could get OCd...most would kill to not have dry hair.

Anyone else water wash?
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

I've been water washing for the last couple of weeks too. I got OCd and though it would help. I haven't been having a problem detangling though (I use a shower brush and it still slides through my hair..??...). I also used my LVPNG so that the protein could maybe do something.

I also think its funny to imagine myself OCd. Last August I would have laughed if I told myself I would soon be OCd.

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Jess the only way I avoid getting OC'd is low pooing more often. That's part of the reason why I dont like doing my hair every day is because it just doesn't do well with condish on a daily basis, I end up either flat or poofy. WW never worked for me not because of the tangles but just because it left my hair lifeless and dull even with a dab of condish, it was a complete waste of time. Even if I just do my scalp with low poo it makes a huge diff. for me, I've also mixed my co-wash with a little low poo to make it more gentle and that works well for me on a regular basis.
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I stopped the Suave and do mainly water rinses and low-poo about 1X week or less and my hair is much better. There is something in Suave and other light conditioners that makes my hair wilt similar to what might be "over-conditioned" . I am still using quality, rich conditioners daily and weekly DTs. A shikakai "tea" rinse 1-2X a week helps cleanse, give body and bounce to my curls. I could never do water washes when I used plastics or copolymers; they left my hair and scalp gunky. All of the products I use are natural , extra "clean" and I get no build-up.
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When I water wash I still use a rinse out conditioner. I wet my hair and then do the scrubbing with my fingers as if I had shampoo in my hair. I actually boost up the water temp too while water washing - I just feel like the warmer water will help remove any product. Then I rinse, then I do my conditioning and rinse that out. I comb through my conditioner just like I would if I had shampoo'd. Let it sit while I wash the rest of me then I rinse it all out.

Not sure if that helps you or not.
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I stopped the Suave and do mainly water rinses and low-poo about 1X week or less and my hair is much better. There is something in Suave and other light conditioners that makes my hair wilt similar to what might be "over-conditioned" . I am still using quality, rich conditioners daily and weekly DTs. A shikakai "tea" rinse 1-2X a week helps cleanse, give body and bounce to my curls. I could never do water washes when I used plastics or copolymers; they left my hair and scalp gunky. All of the products I use are natural , extra "clean" and I get no build-up.
Originally Posted by Heather0kay
I agree there's something about Suave, at least the coconut. I can use other even richer conditioners without the weight and limpness that it causes.
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Thank you ladies for all your replies. I'm just going to try to deal with my very unruly 2nd day hair for a while and see if that helps. If not it's back to a low poo I guess. The water washing just is not working for my hair. Again today it was such a tangled mess and too producty and I even cut back on my products. Back to experimenting. Ahhhh it never ends
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

I've never managed to OC, so I don't know that I'm a ton of help. But I was just reading this and thinking that the VO5 conditioners feel a lot lighter in my hair than the Suave ones. Could using something even lighter than Suave maybe help a bit?
3a
Currently Using: Suave Coconut, Aldi's Biolage Conditioning Balm knockoff, LOOB, and LA Looks sport gel....cheap and simple seems to be working better!
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I've never managed to OC, so I don't know that I'm a ton of help. But I was just reading this and thinking that the VO5 conditioners feel a lot lighter in my hair than the Suave ones. Could using something even lighter than Suave maybe help a bit?
Originally Posted by k_vssy
I was thinking I'd go get some VO5 tomorrow actually so thanks. Can't hurt to try
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

I wonder if it's an age thing, I'm quite a bit older than you I suspect so my oil production is much less than it once was. I'm wondering if it's oil that you're feeling not being removed as opposed to product. It's been a couple weeks now since I "cleaned" my hair and it's feeling a bit greasy today. Water alone won't get rid of that on me.

Then again, you said it was on Day 2. You probably wouldn't feel greasy that quickly.
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I don't have much expertise to offer, because I've never been anywhere close to being over conditioned from what I can tell, but I just had a though, and I figured it can't hurt to post it.

I found this on live curly live free, it's a recipe for detangler. Maybe you could use a little bit of this and rinse it out?

Hair Detangler
You can keep this in a spray bottle and spray it on in the shower to help detangle your hair while cleansing and conditioning:
Combine:

1 teaspoon aloe vera gel
1/2 teaspoon grapefruit seed extract
2 drops grapefruit essential oil
2 drops glycerin
8 ounces purified water

Mix together in a spray bottle and keep in the shower. Spray lightly to help detangle hair.
http://www.livecurlylivefree.com/hom...Hair_Detangler
Teenage curly with 3a-3b course curls
Shampoo: DCLP
Rinse Out: GVP conditioning balm in winter. Devacurl One Condition in Summer
Co Wash: Suave
Styler: LA Looks Curl Gel
Leave in: Devacurl One Condition




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