KCCC application question again

I know it can get tiresome for some people to read the same questions over and over again, but I for one am always interested in new application ideas...ESPECIALLY for KCCC. One thing that I do when I'm stumped with application of a very popular product is to search and then read the threads with the most replies.

Personally, I always want more volume, and it seems to me that diffusing and more root handling creates more volume, so my suggestion would be to do just the opposite, and more scrunching creates tighter curls, so you can tone down the scrunching too, to get looser curls. KCCC, I believe, is actually designed to elongate your curls.

Some of the CJ products have also been known to elongate - Aloe Fix elongates for some curlies.

You could also try a search on some other keywords, such as ELONGATE, ELONGATION, LESS VOLUME. I won't read those threads . I like tight curls with oodles of volume. Oh, one more thing, I think elongation and less volume is more desirable with 3C's and above, so you could peruse those sub-forums as well.

Good luck with your search.
Originally Posted by hmkenny

Thank you - very helpful!!
I'm not a veteran, but duplicate threads don't bother me in the slightest. If the "original" thread title didn't grab my interest, I probably didn't read it anyway; therefore, many times I'm unaware I'm reading a duplicate thread anyway.

PS - I'm sorry. My answer had nothing to do with your original question. Which is not very helpful for somebody doing a search......

Edit: Just noticed my join date vs. other vets. Perhaps I'm a veteran after all. (I am on here multiple times a day - reading and learning - I just don't post much, mainly b/c I used to have dial up and it was a pain.)
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Last edited by kikirose; 04-26-2009 at 07:24 PM. Reason: Maybe I AM a veteran after all
I can never find exactly what I want with this search engine either. To get an answer to my KCCC question I had to read through many pages of posts and threads and still did not quite get the answer. What is the big deal about posting ANOTHER question about KCCC? Why can't you just skip over the posts you do not like; what is so difficult about that?
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Well, if you all want to keep guanoing this thread, I'll tell you why the duplicate posts were annoying to some.

First, if you think of NC as a kind of library, which I understand that many of you don't, which is fine, the problem is mostly one of disorganization. If you went to a library and saw 200 of the same book scattered all throughout the library, and some had pages missing while others had the whole book, you'd wonder who the heck was in charge of the place, wouldn't you? You'd wonder whether the book you got had everything you needed. If you could just find the *one* book that contained all the comprehensive information on that topic, though, you'd like that better, wouldn't you? Duplicate posts fragment the information on any given topic. Limiting discussion to a handful of threads on one topic ensures that people get a better cross-section of input from the community.

Second, there are many of us who actually like to help people and we do it whenever we can. We aren't just here to avail ourselves of information that applies to us and then move on. We want to help people. And when the same posts keep coming up, we get frustrated because we'd like people to see the posts we answered in the past on the very same topic.

So, sure, duplicate posts can be ignored. And that course of action leaves new people to get advice largely from other new people. Does that seem like a good way to go?

Those of us who have been here a while aren't just being cranky about this issue, although I'm sure it seems that way to some of you. Our objections are based on a desire to make these boards better, not to be mean to people or just create trouble.
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CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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Bravo, jillipoo. I think people are loosing sight of the larger issue. This comes up every so often and the frustration is getting worse--because the duplication is getting worse.

Last year, a lot of veteran posters stopped answering the duplicate questions. IMHO, a lot of wrong information was given out by people who thought they were being helpful.
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I was just thinking about KCCC application, I purchased a tub a while back and could not get it to work. After several tries I sold it on the swap board (and I think I sold it to Jillipoo, ha, maybe not) anyway, now I'm interested again because it's glycerin free and I'm in a low dew point area, thanks for this post.

When I used KCCC I noticed right off the bat that I didn't get volume - I like volume. It definitely elongated my curls, I have fine hair that is easily weighed down.

I would advise not putting any gels on top that will "boost" the hold and may give you some unwanted volume as a result of the hold. I also think application to soaking wet hair will keep KCCC's volume in check. Just MY observations. HTH.
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Yay Jillipoo! I'm sure others see it as yet another complaint thread about the duplicate posts but as you so succinctly stated, there is a larger issue at hand.

If the seasoned members chose to just pass over duplicate threads and questions are answered by newer members aiming to help but who don't have all the knowledge other might have, there really isn't much to be gained. Just answering duplicate threads on the same topic is like giving a fish rather than teaching how to fish so to speak.
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Truly no snark intended, jillipoo, but who started the guano-ing on this thread? [I'm just saying. ]

And kathymack and helloitsio: as for veteran posters getting tired of answering and so they move on and then newer people answer the questions and get it "wrong" … I don't really agree.

I mean, just because the newer people are giving different answers, it doesn't mean the answers are "wrong." They're just not the answers you would give.

The nature of a board is repetition, constant evolving. And the nature of hair care is always changing too.

How many of the the hot topics when I joined lo those many years ago are still around? Um, maybe one or two? Plopping and scunching. Most of the products have changed. What's hot today will be gone tomorrow. I've seen sooooo many trends come and go. As they do, people have different questions and different answers.

Right now there are million threads on KCCC, some of them are well received and have lots of info, some don't. When I joined it was all about Re:Coil and Curl Keeper. Now those products barely get any notice.

These boards aren't a wiki. It seems like you all are looking for a curly hair wiki. Perhaps one could be started. It would be an excellent resource.

Last edited by wild~hair; 04-26-2009 at 05:53 PM.
I was just thinking about KCCC application, I purchased a tub a while back and could not get it to work. After several tries I sold it on the swap board (and I think I sold it to Jillipoo, ha, maybe not) anyway, now I'm interested again because it's glycerin free and I'm in a low dew point area, thanks for this post.

When I used KCCC I noticed right off the bat that I didn't get volume - I like volume. It definitely elongated my curls, I have fine hair that is easily weighed down.

I would advise not putting any gels on top that will "boost" the hold and may give you some unwanted volume as a result of the hold. I also think application to soaking wet hair will keep KCCC's volume in check. Just MY observations. HTH.
Originally Posted by CurlyinColorado

Thanks, I am going to try it again tomorrow. I put gel over it today only because we had an unusual hot day here.
Truly no snark intended, jillipoo, but who started the guano-ing on this thread? [I'm just saying. ]

And kathymack and helloitsio: as for veteran posters getting tired of answering and so they move on and then newer people answer the questions and get it "wrong" I don't really agree.

I mean, just because the newer people are giving different answers, it doesn't mean the answers are "wrong." They're just not the answers you would give.

The nature of a board is repetition, constant evolving. And the nature of hair care is always changing too.

How many of the the hot topics when I joined lo those many years ago are still around? Um, maybe one or two? Plopping and scunching. Most of the products have changed. What's hot today will be gone tomorrow. I've seen sooooo many trends come and go. As they do, people have different questions and different answers.

Right now there are million threads on KCCC, some of them are well received and have lots of info, some don't. When I joined it was all about Re:Coil and Curl Keeper. Now those products barely get any notice.

These boards aren't a wiki. It seems like both of you are looking for a curly hair wiki. Perhaps one could be started. It would be an excellent resource.
Originally Posted by wild~hair


I agree; I don't really know if I can say that there is a "right" or "wrong" answer when it comes to hair. Even though some of us post photos of our hair, it is sometimes impossible to say what will work for someone else.

I will also stick to my thoughts that this search tool can be overwhelming. And if you do find a thread that is related to your question, you have to dig through a ton of replies that are somewhat unrelated. That is why you are getting all the repeat questions, people just get discouraged and do not always have the time to read through everything. Believe me, if I was "allowed" on these sites at work, I'd try to take the time, as when I'm home, I'm lucky I get 10 minutes on the computer with an 8-month old!!

Bottom line, I think the repeat posts are not intentional. I guess if I spent more time on here I might too get frustrated seeing them over and over, but I would simply not open them.
Truly no snark intended, jillipoo, but who started the guano-ing on this thread? [I'm just saying. ]

And kathymack and helloitsio: as for veteran posters getting tired of answering and so they move on and then newer people answer the questions and get it "wrong" I don't really agree.

I mean, just because the newer people are giving different answers, it doesn't mean the answers are "wrong." They're just not the answers you would give.

The nature of a board is repetition, constant evolving. And the nature of hair care is always changing too.

How many of the the hot topics when I joined lo those many years ago are still around? Um, maybe one or two? Plopping and scunching. Most of the products have changed. What's hot today will be gone tomorrow. I've seen sooooo many trends come and go. As they do, people have different questions and different answers.

Right now there are million threads on KCCC, some of them are well received and have lots of info, some don't. When I joined it was all about Re:Coil and Curl Keeper. Now those products barely get any notice.

These boards aren't a wiki. It seems like you all are looking for a curly hair wiki. Perhaps one could be started. It would be an excellent resource.
Originally Posted by wild~hair
I'm referring to times when it wasn't an opinion that was given--every one is entitled to their opinion. It was incorrect factual information.

There are going to continue to be differing opinions on this whole topic. I guess it just forces people to make their own decisions about what they want to do.
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I was just thinking about KCCC application, I purchased a tub a while back and could not get it to work. After several tries I sold it on the swap board (and I think I sold it to Jillipoo, ha, maybe not) anyway, now I'm interested again because it's glycerin free and I'm in a low dew point area, thanks for this post.

When I used KCCC I noticed right off the bat that I didn't get volume - I like volume. It definitely elongated my curls, I have fine hair that is easily weighed down.

I would advise not putting any gels on top that will "boost" the hold and may give you some unwanted volume as a result of the hold. I also think application to soaking wet hair will keep KCCC's volume in check. Just MY observations. HTH.
Originally Posted by CurlyinColorado
Hee hee -- I'm pretty sure it was me who bought your tub of KCCC!

Although KCCC is glycerin-free, it is not humectant-free. So... if you're in an area where the dew point stays below 35 or so, you might not like KCCC so much. (It has agave, which is a humectant.) Then again, several curlies here use KCCC in what most of us would consider a dry climate and they really like it. For myself, though, I notice that I don't get the same results in low dew points with KCCC, so I don't use it until the dews go above 35.

The first few times I used KCCC, I hated how flat it made my hair. It wasn't until I absorbed some water from my hair before applying it that the volume got better. Which seems to be the exact opposite of what CurlyinColorado has discovered.

And so once again we see how crazy this product is.
3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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I think I've read every thread going on KCCC and still can't get the stuff to work for me!
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Truly no snark intended, jillipoo, but who started the guano-ing on this thread? [I'm just saying. ]

And kathymack and helloitsio: as for veteran posters getting tired of answering and so they move on and then newer people answer the questions and get it "wrong" I don't really agree.

I mean, just because the newer people are giving different answers, it doesn't mean the answers are "wrong." They're just not the answers you would give.
Originally Posted by wild~hair
Have you seen this thread? Frustrated with My Waves

It's a blatant example of a new member giving incorrect information regarding sulfates in everpure.
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I received a lot of "incorrect" information from these boards when I first joined...I also received information that didn't suit my curl type, but I learned a lot and can now share that information with other curlies.

There is a trial and error when one goes CG, good trials and bad trials, I see nothing wrong with a learning curve on a new message board and thank GOD, the "veterans" were kind enough to answer and respond (with kindness) to my questions when I first joined. I'd be hurt to get the kind of response curlsofny received.
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Last edited by CurlyinColorado; 04-27-2009 at 12:06 PM. Reason: spelling
Truly no snark intended, jillipoo, but who started the guano-ing on this thread? [I'm just saying. ]

And kathymack and helloitsio: as for veteran posters getting tired of answering and so they move on and then newer people answer the questions and get it "wrong" I don't really agree.

I mean, just because the newer people are giving different answers, it doesn't mean the answers are "wrong." They're just not the answers you would give.
Originally Posted by wild~hair
Have you seen this thread? Frustrated with My Waves

It's a blatant example of a new member giving incorrect information regarding sulfates in everpure.
Originally Posted by helloitsio



WOW! Pardon me! 'Blatant example of a new member giving incorrect information regarding sulfates in everpure"... I will be sure to check myself in the future.

I only know that as I new to this method, anything that says cone or even remotely looks like it may be non-CG I stay away from. I can honestly say that I read the ingredients and, while I cannot remember the exact ingredient, it made me put it down.

Didn't mean to provide anyone with incorrect info...

Jenn
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2c ~ on a 'good' day
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co-wash ~ Suave coconut
condish ~ BLCB
style ~ JCRR & JCCC & BRHG
clarify ~ BS rinse & ACV

Currently jones-ing for KCCC & KCKT

Holy Crap you guys. LET IT GO. Yes Sage came off in a harsh tone BUT she apologized and we all know that sage isnt normally rude.

AND we also know that new members dont MEAN to give wrong information, it just happens. We cant blame them for it.

NOW im pretty sire this thread was on KCCC application. Can we stick to that? We dont need to Guano this thread anymore then it already has been.



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WOW! Pardon me! 'Blatant example of a new member giving incorrect information regarding sulfates in everpure"... I will be sure to check myself in the future.

I only know that as I new to this method, anything that says cone or even remotely looks like it may be non-CG I stay away from. I can honestly say that I read the ingredients and, while I cannot remember the exact ingredient, it made me put it down.

Didn't mean to provide anyone with incorrect info...

Jenn
Originally Posted by jwill112876
jwill112876, I don't mean it to come out as harsh as it may have and I apologize if you or xmyheart were offended. In response to wild~hair's comment that new members giving different answers doesn't necessarily mean it's "wrong," I wanted to point out that in a few instances, that's not always the case. I'm all for varying opinions regarding products but when it boils down to facts about ingredients, I think it's imperative that we aren't misleading new members.

I provided the link about ingredients commonly found in hair care products to be helpful and clear up any misconceptions about questionable ingredients.
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