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curlsofny 04-23-2009 03:33 PM

KCCC application question again
 
Hi,

i know there are videos on youtube about this, but they show scrunching the product in and i'm afraid that might do the opposite of what I'd like KCCC to do. I used this product a few months ago with no luck, but decided to go back to it. Today my hair looks pretty good, but the 3 days prior, it got poofy by mid-day. Now, the weather was rainy, but I still feel a product that potent should hold. Are there any application tips? I want my hair to be elongated as much as possible and I use Knot Today with it. Also, are there any other good comparable products out there that will hold, elongate a little and tone volume down? Thanks.

jillipoo 04-23-2009 03:55 PM

I don't mean to be rude, curlsofny, but this question has been answered at least 50 times (and that may be just this month!). Could you please use the search function and then come back if you still don't find answers? (But I know you will.)

CurlyCara 04-23-2009 03:56 PM

Ohhhh Jillipoo I've missed you.

curlsofny 04-23-2009 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillipoo (Post 945876)
I don't mean to be rude, curlsofny, but this question has been answered at least 50 times (and that may be just this month!). Could you please use the search function and then come back if you still don't find answers? (But I know you will.)


I am aware of the posts on this; however, most people want to do the opposite of what I want. I do NOT want extra volume. Also, there are not 50 posts on comparable product suggestions.

I apologize for the repetitive post, but I am a new mom who also works full-time (and internet access is monitored at work) and do not have a lot of time to come on here, so I just snuck on and created a new post. Thank you and have a great night!

helloitsio 04-23-2009 09:10 PM

Not everyone who scrunches in KCCC a la mysteryflavored is looking to achieve extra volume. In fact, if you read more threads here, you'll see that a lot of curlies have problems achieving volume regardless of the product.

While there aren't 50 posts on comparable product suggestions, there are in fact more than a handful of threads on application methods and similar products (which in my opinion, can't really compare to kccc):
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=33540

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=71996

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...d.php?p=735221

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=71694

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...d.php?p=778617

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...d.php?p=914894

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=72976

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=72340

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=71269

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=66380

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=68375

Also, you mentioned that you had a bad experience with kccc on a rainy day. The weather does affect your hair to the extent where products that worked for you yesterday can just be crap the next. It's a balance of humidity and humectants and figuring out when to use what.

I still have to agree with jillipoo on this one, however. It would be much appreciated if you ran a search rather than posting a new thread on a topic that's been discussed over and over and over again - that's what the google custom search button is there for.

curlsofny 04-24-2009 04:30 AM

Ok guys,please cut me some slack here. I have not been on the site in a very long time and have not had time to really navigate. I did do some searching, but found that many of the posts did not exactly answer all my questions. While I can see what jillipoo's point was, her approach could have been a little nicer. Just my opinion, not trying to be nasty here or start a war. And to be quite honest, I found a tip on jillipoo's blog that I tried this morning.

If someone does not feel like answering my post, that's fine, then they do not have to open it. I'm sure I'm not the first person to post something that has been posted before. I used to come on here all the time and was just surprised, especially since in my subject I specified that this was a repeat question with "again".

Thank you for your input helloitso, have a great day.

Again, not trying to be nasty, I'm just not used to be
"reprimanded" on a message board.

kathymack 04-24-2009 04:50 AM

Not to belabor the point, but a lot of the veteran posters have stopped posting because of these very issues. Unfortunately, the duplication of threads/questions has gotten really out of hand. People have been subtle in their replies and it hasn't worked. While your reasoning may be very legitimate, for you, there are a lot of posters who seem unwilling to use the search engines to try to answer their concerns before posting.

jwill112876 04-24-2009 05:33 AM

Morning all!

Even as a newbie, I think that I have seen a pattern here (and quite honestly, I committed this 'crime', just last week on this very subject :scratch:)

I think we all come here, initially, to find answers to our hair nightmares. When we see the amount of information that is provided to us, it is quite overwhelming (at least it was to me!) and we are not aware of the learning curve. We expect instant gratification! We want a specific fix that will work immediately...and that is just not possible with the mystery that is curly/wavy hair!

It took me several days & much reading, along with some great advice from the vets here to even know that the google search was available. It is a huge help when I have a question...I am training myself to check there first before I ask any question, as I am sure that someone else has asked the same question (or variation thereof) in the past.

Anytime I post to the intro thread, I ALWAYS suggest that reading is going to be their best friend, but I think that in addition, I will begin adding the use of the google bar for questions before posting questions...it is a definite learning curve, and I think that it would help all newbies to know it is there! :thumbleft:

Jenn :)

burgundy_locks 04-24-2009 06:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwill112876 (Post 946352)
Morning all!

Even as a newbie, I think that I have seen a pattern here (and quite honestly, I committed this 'crime', just last week on this very subject :scratch:)

I think we all come here, initially, to find answers to our hair nightmares. When we see the amount of information that is provided to us, it is quite overwhelming (at least it was to me!) and we are not aware of the learning curve. We expect instant gratification! We want a specific fix that will work immediately...and that is just not possible with the mystery that is curly/wavy hair!

It took me several days & much reading, along with some great advice from the vets here to even know that the google search was available. It is a huge help when I have a question...I am training myself to check there first before I ask any question, as I am sure that someone else has asked the same question (or variation thereof) in the past.

Anytime I post to the intro thread, I ALWAYS suggest that reading is going to be their best friend, but I think that in addition, I will begin adding the use of the google bar for questions before posting questions...it is a definite learning curve, and I think that it would help all newbies to know it is there! :thumbleft:

Jenn :)

I agree with jwill. i had never been part of blog before and had no idea how it worked. of course, now i look for responses before i ask, mainly because asking a question on this blog can be very discouraging at times. if some of the original posters or veterans have chose not to participate anymore, that is their own problem. i dont think we should be discouraging anyone into asking questions even if they have been repeated 5 times that day. the poster will soon pick up on it. are there really rules to how/what to post and how/what not to post?

Now, back to KCCC. i use KCCC and i dont want volume. i just rake it in, scrunch a bit so my curls dont look drawn out and then i do an overnight plop for better curl formation. i dont know how to use a diffuser, but if you did, you'd probably get volume, so you might want to not use it. i also top off KCCC with some BRHG.

good luck!

jillipoo 04-24-2009 08:16 AM

Curlsofny, I'm very sorry if I hurt your feelings. As others have indicated, there are several of us "veterans" who've been a little irritated by the same questions coming up all the time. But that doesn't excuse hurt feelings, and so I'm truly sorry if I was not nice enough.

Newbies *do* need to feel welcome and I feel like it's time for NC.com to recognize that and take some action to keep both veterans and newbies happy. So I started this thread. If you have ideas on how NC.com could improve things around here, please contribute to that thread.

I think we all want this to be a happy, curly place. :toothy7:

jerseygirl07067 04-24-2009 10:13 AM

PBI in here, but as a newbie myself I thought there could be a bit more patience and understanding with some of us like curlsofny.

I've done searches on many questions I've had, and honestly sometimes I can quickly find the answer, and sometimes I can't. Some threads don't really give us the specific answer we might be looking for, or they are so long with so many posts that it is just way too time consuming to read all of them. (especially if you don't have a ton of time to spend on the computer) I've also noticed that many of the threads start to go off on tangents after a while, so we have to keep reading and digging through all of that to find our answers. It can get really frustrating.

There is so much info on here, and while fun to explore, it can be really overwhelming to a newbie. That's why I lurked for many months before I even joined. :) We've never heard of many of the products mentioned before, so it may not occur to us that hundreds of members may already have used them and posted about them...multiple times.

That being said, I think the idea to start a newbie section on here is a good one, perhaps with links to some of the shorter threads that answer questions on commonly used and liked products here.

I don't want to make waves or anything, but it's easy for the "veterans" to forget how much they were in the dark when they first started too.

DEL2C 04-24-2009 10:20 AM

jersey I don't know if you've seen the feedback thread http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...ad.php?t=74290

but Gretchen has asked for suggestions on threads that can be helpful to newbies. She asked that you e-mail them to her (not PM) so maybe you could do that.

jerseygirl07067 04-24-2009 10:30 AM

Thanks, DEL2C, I was just reading it. :)

kathymack 04-24-2009 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerseygirl07067 (Post 946544)

That being said, I think the idea to start a newbie section on here is a good one, perhaps with links to some of the shorter threads that answer questions on commonly used and liked products here.

I don't want to make waves or anything, but it's easy for the "veterans" to forget how much they were in the dark when they first started too.

jerseygirl, you're new and this thread is being guanoed into a complaint section. It's pretty obvious when people try to find an answer or not. The problem has gotten so bad, that many long time posters have left or do not answer anymore. Because people don't answer, the threads get bumped or other new people are asking people to answer. It's gotten out of hand and now some of the issues may be alleviated.

wild~hair 04-24-2009 03:07 PM

The search engine on this board is far from ideal. [This is not a diss of nc.com — search engines are finicky to manage, I know because I've done it.]

So give the newbies a break already.:wink:

If you don't want to answer the same question for the 70-billionth time, the answer is pretty simple: don't.

Newbies will get the message and start searching more diligently. [That's what I did when I was a newbie.]

Or they'll start a thread asking about best practices for searching the boards [which might be a good sticky].

It's in the nature of boards for questions and topics to be repeated. ETA: Including the complaint about questions and topics being repeated!

DEL2C 04-24-2009 03:20 PM

Quote:

Or they'll start a thread asking about best practices for searching the boards [which might be a good sticky].
Good idea!! Why don't you e-mail Gretchen about that. :) The search feature is terrible here but the Google Search works just fine.

CurlyCara 04-24-2009 04:36 PM

I know we have moderators here. I also know we have lists of posts we have all loved. Why dont we get someone to sticky those posts. Im not saying to sticky the 20 million threads on KCCC. But sticky the one about where MF unveils here video, or sticky the one about the ice queen method.


As a side note, will be honest im a rather intolerable person. AKA I dont have much tolerance, but even when I see questions asked over and over, I try to answer but I do agree its getting to the point of it just reminds me of spam.

Blah anyways to the KCCC point. Its def not my Holy Grail, I HATE the drying time, what i would suggest on lengthening your curls is getting some hair clips and clippign the ends instead of the roots to give you a little more length. Also KCCC doesnt have enough hold for me either and I would recommend some HETT over it. If thats still nto enough hold there is another Herbal Essence gel with more hold.

HTH some.

curlsofny 04-24-2009 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jillipoo (Post 946453)
Curlsofny, I'm very sorry if I hurt your feelings. As others have indicated, there are several of us "veterans" who've been a little irritated by the same questions coming up all the time. But that doesn't excuse hurt feelings, and so I'm truly sorry if I was not nice enough.


Thank you. No worries, it's all good

curlsofny 04-24-2009 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jerseygirl07067 (Post 946544)

I've done searches on many questions I've had, and honestly sometimes I can quickly find the answer, and sometimes I can't. Some threads don't really give us the specific answer we might be looking for, or they are so long with so many posts that it is just way too time consuming to read all of them. (especially if you don't have a ton of time to spend on the computer) I've also noticed that many of the threads start to go off on tangents after a while, so we have to keep reading and digging through all of that to find our answers. It can get really frustrating.


I couldn't agree more - that is what prompted me to post, I did search, but the posts I found did not exactly have the answers jumping out at me and did not directly answer what I was looking for. Also, you are correct, posts tend to go off on tangents. (for example. if they are discussing KCCC, someone might post "oh have you tried xxxx?" and that starts an entirely new conversation). I could have written this paragraph you posted above word for word!

hmkenny 04-25-2009 08:02 AM

I know it can get tiresome for some people to read the same questions over and over again, but I for one am always interested in new application ideas...ESPECIALLY for KCCC. :toothy7: One thing that I do when I'm stumped with application of a very popular product is to search and then read the threads with the most replies.

Personally, I always want more volume, and it seems to me that diffusing and more root handling creates more volume, so my suggestion would be to do just the opposite, and more scrunching creates tighter curls, so you can tone down the scrunching too, to get looser curls. KCCC, I believe, is actually designed to elongate your curls.

Some of the CJ products have also been known to elongate - Aloe Fix elongates for some curlies.

You could also try a search on some other keywords, such as ELONGATE, ELONGATION, LESS VOLUME. I won't read those threads ;). I like tight curls with oodles of volume. :) Oh, one more thing, I think elongation and less volume is more desirable with 3C's and above, so you could peruse those sub-forums as well.

Good luck with your search.


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