KCCC application question again

Hi,

i know there are videos on youtube about this, but they show scrunching the product in and i'm afraid that might do the opposite of what I'd like KCCC to do. I used this product a few months ago with no luck, but decided to go back to it. Today my hair looks pretty good, but the 3 days prior, it got poofy by mid-day. Now, the weather was rainy, but I still feel a product that potent should hold. Are there any application tips? I want my hair to be elongated as much as possible and I use Knot Today with it. Also, are there any other good comparable products out there that will hold, elongate a little and tone volume down? Thanks.
I don't mean to be rude, curlsofny, but this question has been answered at least 50 times (and that may be just this month!). Could you please use the search function and then come back if you still don't find answers? (But I know you will.)
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CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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I don't mean to be rude, curlsofny, but this question has been answered at least 50 times (and that may be just this month!). Could you please use the search function and then come back if you still don't find answers? (But I know you will.)
Originally Posted by jillipoo

I am aware of the posts on this; however, most people want to do the opposite of what I want. I do NOT want extra volume. Also, there are not 50 posts on comparable product suggestions.

I apologize for the repetitive post, but I am a new mom who also works full-time (and internet access is monitored at work) and do not have a lot of time to come on here, so I just snuck on and created a new post. Thank you and have a great night!
Not everyone who scrunches in KCCC a la mysteryflavored is looking to achieve extra volume. In fact, if you read more threads here, you'll see that a lot of curlies have problems achieving volume regardless of the product.

While there aren't 50 posts on comparable product suggestions, there are in fact more than a handful of threads on application methods and similar products (which in my opinion, can't really compare to kccc):
heavier products similar to KCCC?

Results for Curls Gelles C and KCCC comparison

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...d.php?p=735221

Similar to KKKC???

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...d.php?p=778617

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlta...d.php?p=914894

Need help with KCCC!!

Post Your KCCC tips Here!

How do you use KCCC?

KCCC, what gel do you use with it?

Favorite products to elongate curls? Not KCCC

Also, you mentioned that you had a bad experience with kccc on a rainy day. The weather does affect your hair to the extent where products that worked for you yesterday can just be crap the next. It's a balance of humidity and humectants and figuring out when to use what.

I still have to agree with jillipoo on this one, however. It would be much appreciated if you ran a search rather than posting a new thread on a topic that's been discussed over and over and over again - that's what the google custom search button is there for.
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Last edited by helloitsio; 04-23-2009 at 10:16 PM.
Ok guys,please cut me some slack here. I have not been on the site in a very long time and have not had time to really navigate. I did do some searching, but found that many of the posts did not exactly answer all my questions. While I can see what jillipoo's point was, her approach could have been a little nicer. Just my opinion, not trying to be nasty here or start a war. And to be quite honest, I found a tip on jillipoo's blog that I tried this morning.

If someone does not feel like answering my post, that's fine, then they do not have to open it. I'm sure I'm not the first person to post something that has been posted before. I used to come on here all the time and was just surprised, especially since in my subject I specified that this was a repeat question with "again".

Thank you for your input helloitso, have a great day.

Again, not trying to be nasty, I'm just not used to be
"reprimanded" on a message board.

Last edited by curlsofny; 04-24-2009 at 05:32 AM.
Not to belabor the point, but a lot of the veteran posters have stopped posting because of these very issues. Unfortunately, the duplication of threads/questions has gotten really out of hand. People have been subtle in their replies and it hasn't worked. While your reasoning may be very legitimate, for you, there are a lot of posters who seem unwilling to use the search engines to try to answer their concerns before posting.
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Morning all!

Even as a newbie, I think that I have seen a pattern here (and quite honestly, I committed this 'crime', just last week on this very subject )

I think we all come here, initially, to find answers to our hair nightmares. When we see the amount of information that is provided to us, it is quite overwhelming (at least it was to me!) and we are not aware of the learning curve. We expect instant gratification! We want a specific fix that will work immediately...and that is just not possible with the mystery that is curly/wavy hair!

It took me several days & much reading, along with some great advice from the vets here to even know that the google search was available. It is a huge help when I have a question...I am training myself to check there first before I ask any question, as I am sure that someone else has asked the same question (or variation thereof) in the past.

Anytime I post to the intro thread, I ALWAYS suggest that reading is going to be their best friend, but I think that in addition, I will begin adding the use of the google bar for questions before posting questions...it is a definite learning curve, and I think that it would help all newbies to know it is there!

Jenn
CG since April09
2b ~ regularly
2c ~ on a 'good' day
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co-wash ~ Suave coconut
condish ~ BLCB
style ~ JCRR & JCCC & BRHG
clarify ~ BS rinse & ACV

Currently jones-ing for KCCC & KCKT

Morning all!

Even as a newbie, I think that I have seen a pattern here (and quite honestly, I committed this 'crime', just last week on this very subject )

I think we all come here, initially, to find answers to our hair nightmares. When we see the amount of information that is provided to us, it is quite overwhelming (at least it was to me!) and we are not aware of the learning curve. We expect instant gratification! We want a specific fix that will work immediately...and that is just not possible with the mystery that is curly/wavy hair!

It took me several days & much reading, along with some great advice from the vets here to even know that the google search was available. It is a huge help when I have a question...I am training myself to check there first before I ask any question, as I am sure that someone else has asked the same question (or variation thereof) in the past.

Anytime I post to the intro thread, I ALWAYS suggest that reading is going to be their best friend, but I think that in addition, I will begin adding the use of the google bar for questions before posting questions...it is a definite learning curve, and I think that it would help all newbies to know it is there!

Jenn
Originally Posted by jwill112876
I agree with jwill. i had never been part of blog before and had no idea how it worked. of course, now i look for responses before i ask, mainly because asking a question on this blog can be very discouraging at times. if some of the original posters or veterans have chose not to participate anymore, that is their own problem. i dont think we should be discouraging anyone into asking questions even if they have been repeated 5 times that day. the poster will soon pick up on it. are there really rules to how/what to post and how/what not to post?

Now, back to KCCC. i use KCCC and i dont want volume. i just rake it in, scrunch a bit so my curls dont look drawn out and then i do an overnight plop for better curl formation. i dont know how to use a diffuser, but if you did, you'd probably get volume, so you might want to not use it. i also top off KCCC with some BRHG.

good luck!
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CG journey began 2/8/09 - 4-08-09.. and then mod cg 4/14/09 -... 03/02/10- Barely CG but I like CG products
wash with Low Poo or Poo
condition with GVP Conditioning Balm or CJ BC Daily, Loreal Color Vive for Color Treated Hair Thats Normal
Leave ins- Garnier S&S; Marrakesh oil
style with - Ohm SHP; KCCC- BRHG or Boots- KCCC- BRHG; CIAB; CCCC
Protein- GVP Joico K-Pak
Play with ACV
Curlsofny, I'm very sorry if I hurt your feelings. As others have indicated, there are several of us "veterans" who've been a little irritated by the same questions coming up all the time. But that doesn't excuse hurt feelings, and so I'm truly sorry if I was not nice enough.

Newbies *do* need to feel welcome and I feel like it's time for NC.com to recognize that and take some action to keep both veterans and newbies happy. So I started this thread. If you have ideas on how NC.com could improve things around here, please contribute to that thread.

I think we all want this to be a happy, curly place.
3a and strictly CG since August 2007. Porous and on the fine side. No to magnesium sulfate and glycerin. Yes to protein! Favorites:
CO-WASHES: Suave Coconut
CONDITIONERS and LEAVE-INS: Mop Top Daily Conditioner, KBB Nectar, Aubrey GPB or Island Naturals, Robert Craig, Any Jessicurl
CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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PBI in here, but as a newbie myself I thought there could be a bit more patience and understanding with some of us like curlsofny.

I've done searches on many questions I've had, and honestly sometimes I can quickly find the answer, and sometimes I can't. Some threads don't really give us the specific answer we might be looking for, or they are so long with so many posts that it is just way too time consuming to read all of them. (especially if you don't have a ton of time to spend on the computer) I've also noticed that many of the threads start to go off on tangents after a while, so we have to keep reading and digging through all of that to find our answers. It can get really frustrating.

There is so much info on here, and while fun to explore, it can be really overwhelming to a newbie. That's why I lurked for many months before I even joined. We've never heard of many of the products mentioned before, so it may not occur to us that hundreds of members may already have used them and posted about them...multiple times.

That being said, I think the idea to start a newbie section on here is a good one, perhaps with links to some of the shorter threads that answer questions on commonly used and liked products here.

I don't want to make waves or anything, but it's easy for the "veterans" to forget how much they were in the dark when they first started too.


Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a
jersey I don't know if you've seen the feedback thread Newbie needs

but Gretchen has asked for suggestions on threads that can be helpful to newbies. She asked that you e-mail them to her (not PM) so maybe you could do that.
Thanks, DEL2C, I was just reading it.


Hair Type - medium to fine texture, high porosity, lots of it, type 2b/3a

That being said, I think the idea to start a newbie section on here is a good one, perhaps with links to some of the shorter threads that answer questions on commonly used and liked products here.

I don't want to make waves or anything, but it's easy for the "veterans" to forget how much they were in the dark when they first started too.
Originally Posted by jerseygirl07067
jerseygirl, you're new and this thread is being guanoed into a complaint section. It's pretty obvious when people try to find an answer or not. The problem has gotten so bad, that many long time posters have left or do not answer anymore. Because people don't answer, the threads get bumped or other new people are asking people to answer. It's gotten out of hand and now some of the issues may be alleviated.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
The search engine on this board is far from ideal. [This is not a diss of nc.com — search engines are finicky to manage, I know because I've done it.]

So give the newbies a break already.

If you don't want to answer the same question for the 70-billionth time, the answer is pretty simple: don't.

Newbies will get the message and start searching more diligently. [That's what I did when I was a newbie.]

Or they'll start a thread asking about best practices for searching the boards [which might be a good sticky].

It's in the nature of boards for questions and topics to be repeated. ETA: Including the complaint about questions and topics being repeated!

Last edited by wild~hair; 04-24-2009 at 04:16 PM.
Or they'll start a thread asking about best practices for searching the boards [which might be a good sticky].
Good idea!! Why don't you e-mail Gretchen about that. The search feature is terrible here but the Google Search works just fine.
I know we have moderators here. I also know we have lists of posts we have all loved. Why dont we get someone to sticky those posts. Im not saying to sticky the 20 million threads on KCCC. But sticky the one about where MF unveils here video, or sticky the one about the ice queen method.


As a side note, will be honest im a rather intolerable person. AKA I dont have much tolerance, but even when I see questions asked over and over, I try to answer but I do agree its getting to the point of it just reminds me of spam.

Blah anyways to the KCCC point. Its def not my Holy Grail, I HATE the drying time, what i would suggest on lengthening your curls is getting some hair clips and clippign the ends instead of the roots to give you a little more length. Also KCCC doesnt have enough hold for me either and I would recommend some HETT over it. If thats still nto enough hold there is another Herbal Essence gel with more hold.

HTH some.
CG Since : 03/15/09
3A, fine, low porosity
My Curr. Faves:
Cleansers: Daisy Fuentes C&W
Conditioner: GVP Conditioning Balm, GPB, LVPNG
Stylers: LVPNG, BRHG, KCCC, GVP CB
updated 04/29/2009
Curlsofny, I'm very sorry if I hurt your feelings. As others have indicated, there are several of us "veterans" who've been a little irritated by the same questions coming up all the time. But that doesn't excuse hurt feelings, and so I'm truly sorry if I was not nice enough.
Originally Posted by jillipoo

Thank you. No worries, it's all good

I've done searches on many questions I've had, and honestly sometimes I can quickly find the answer, and sometimes I can't. Some threads don't really give us the specific answer we might be looking for, or they are so long with so many posts that it is just way too time consuming to read all of them. (especially if you don't have a ton of time to spend on the computer) I've also noticed that many of the threads start to go off on tangents after a while, so we have to keep reading and digging through all of that to find our answers. It can get really frustrating.
Originally Posted by jerseygirl07067

I couldn't agree more - that is what prompted me to post, I did search, but the posts I found did not exactly have the answers jumping out at me and did not directly answer what I was looking for. Also, you are correct, posts tend to go off on tangents. (for example. if they are discussing KCCC, someone might post "oh have you tried xxxx?" and that starts an entirely new conversation). I could have written this paragraph you posted above word for word!
I know it can get tiresome for some people to read the same questions over and over again, but I for one am always interested in new application ideas...ESPECIALLY for KCCC. One thing that I do when I'm stumped with application of a very popular product is to search and then read the threads with the most replies.

Personally, I always want more volume, and it seems to me that diffusing and more root handling creates more volume, so my suggestion would be to do just the opposite, and more scrunching creates tighter curls, so you can tone down the scrunching too, to get looser curls. KCCC, I believe, is actually designed to elongate your curls.

Some of the CJ products have also been known to elongate - Aloe Fix elongates for some curlies.

You could also try a search on some other keywords, such as ELONGATE, ELONGATION, LESS VOLUME. I won't read those threads . I like tight curls with oodles of volume. Oh, one more thing, I think elongation and less volume is more desirable with 3C's and above, so you could peruse those sub-forums as well.

Good luck with your search.
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