curly canopy and straighter underlayers?

hi all-

I'm very much a newbie only recently starting my CG journey... I seem to have the opposite mix of hair as other people on here. Here's my breakdown:

canopy - VERY porous, VERY coarse, probably 2c/3a

underlayers - less porous, and MUCH straighter, more like a 2a or even, uh, straight... but definitely with a lot of "body" and not nearly as a straight as truly straight hair.

I've been using Deva products (no poo, one conditioner, an-gell, set it free) and the Deva scrunching method, and my underlayers get wavy, but not very clumpy and then falls into waves/straight pretty quickly. My canopy gets a mix of ringlets and "botticelli" curls, which hold well.

Any idea what the deal is? Is is possible that my hair, as it heals from a life of -cones and sulfites and becomes healthier and less porous will get straighter? Any tips for getting the underlayers to curl?
My hair sounds almost exactly the same as yours - very interested in any answers. I'm as clueless as you.
well, at least we're it it together! Your hair looks very pretty in the photo! I'll definitely check your history to see what you've been doing...

My hair is cut in a way that works well if I don't scrunch or plop... basically long layers with the canopy shorter... this thins it out and reduces the prevalence of the coarse frizzy part... but when I do scrunch, this give me almost a "curl mullet," with two distinct layers... short and curly and long a straight. Yuck!

(I will say my most recent cut, from a deva-trained stylist, blends these two layers together A LOT better!)
I'l join you in this problem! My hair underneath just doesnt want to curl! Sooo annoying huh? I guess there is no point in me adding this cos Im not helping at all sorry, but jsut wanted to let you know that I feel your pain!
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My hair's identical to what you mentioned.

I thought (hoped) for awhile that maybe it just needed some TLC and it would curl like the rest of my hair... but really, that soft, shiny, semi-straight hair underneath is actually quite a bit HEALTHIER than the canopy. So that hope doesn't really make much sense.

I asked my stylist the last time I got it cut (my first 'curly cut, actually) and he confirmed it. Sometimes that's just the way your hair grows out of your head. There's not much to be done about it (at least in my case), so he cut the straighter bits a little bit shorter so they wouldn't stick out from underneath and now I just try not to think about them :P I still have layers in the canopy, but the longest canopy layer is longer than the underneath by a tiny bit, if that makes sense.

Half up ponies are definitely out though, unless I want to bust out a curling iron...
CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG
ETA: the porosity of my canopy is WAY higher than my underlayers. Does anyone use different products for the different sections? Different protein levels, maybe?

You know what, Mims, this might be crazy, but one stylist ages ago told me that it was a common hairgrowth pattern for redheads. I'm kind of an auburn/strawberry type and my father is a real redhead. Looking at your pictures, it seems like there might be something to it?

I have the exact opposite haircut of what you describe, Mims. I guess i'm going to have to reverse the hair cut I've had for years, which is kind of like this with what's left of the canopy flat-ironed to heck to smooth it out and the underlayers kept wavy... no wonder it stays damaged! (And also how weird is it that the closest photo I could find was of Ashley Simpson?)

Last edited by velouria; 05-07-2009 at 11:19 AM.
I have 3a/3b hair but I have a thin layer of completely straight hair that touches my neck. I kind of like it...it's smooth, silky. I don't have the problems of rougher hair tickling my neck. It is stick straight. My hairstylist cut it shorter too...because straight hair looks longer, so when it grows, it'll be obviously sticking out.
I sometimes try scrunching it extra to get it to be curlier...sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
Oh well.
I'm not all that worried about it. I think I'd rather have this problem, than the inverse. It's a thin layer and not too obvious.
That's right, I said it! I wear scrunchies!!

I am a sulfate washing, cone slabbing, curly lovin' s.o.b. The CG police haven't caught me yet.


3a/3b

You know what, Mims, this might be crazy, but one stylist ages ago told me that it was a common hairgrowth pattern for redheads. I'm kind of an auburn/strawberry type and my father is a real redhead. Looking at your pictures, it seems like there might be something to it?
Originally Posted by velouria
wow, i've never heard that! Interesting though. I'm not naturally this red, I'm more of a strawberry blond as well... but huh. Very interesting.

and yeah, my canopy used to be FRIED from straighting to make it match the underneath lol. The underneath layer always did FINE with the straightener though... silly shiny silky hair :P

Boomy, I agree. it is kind of nice having the softer hair against my neck. And if I had to choose I'd MUCH rather have my prettier curls on top than buried underneath
CG/Mod CG (soap bars) since 8/12/08
CO wash/Cond: Kathymack & Flowermoon Castille soap bars, V05 Chamomile Tea, Suave Ocean Breeze, Biolage Conditioning Balm
Styling loves: DIFFUSING! CK, KCNT, KCCC, FOTE (on dry hair only), Re:coil, Proclaim gel
Not sure about: Boots, Tweek, KBB Milk, DMHJ
HATE: plopping, FOTE on wet hair, BRHG

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