Thick, wiry curlies!

Name your products! What are you using for conditioners and stylers, thanks!
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
I'm on the coarse side, with some wiry hairs at my nape.

I use Kinky Curly Knot Today for detangling. If my hair does not need much conditioning that day, it also will be used as my rinse out.

If I need more conditioning, I use either Aubrey Organics Honeysuckle Rose or White Camellia. The AOHR is more hard core for me, and it I use it all the time in winter. I rely more on the AOWC in the summer.

For a leave in, I use either the Knot Today or Curl Junkie Curl Rehab, and have been leaning lots more towards the Curl Rehab lately.

If I need a moisture DT, I use either the AOHR or CJCR as an overnight treatment.

For my styler, I use Kinky Curly Curling Custard. Best. Stuff. Ever.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
Hello Hydration is great for my hair, it really repairs it without all the bad chemicals and it even has coconut milk and oil in it!

I'm also in love with Garnier Fructis 24-H endurance gel. It's really good if you want shine and it isn't sticky at all!
~ BIG *sexy* CURLS ~
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Conditioner/Co-wash/Leave-in: Garnier Fructis Nutri Repair/Organic Instinct
Styler: Garnier Fructis 24-H
~~~


My hair falls under the coarse/wiry class. Some of my products work better then others in terms of how it changes the texture. Sometimes I'll forgo the "soft" feeling for a more defined wave/hold. For you though you may not need a lot of hold since you have the curls! KCCC would be your best bet for sure. I love EO Chamomile Honey condish, Lustrasilk Olive Oil or Mango as a LI and there are other products listed in my siggie. I love FOTE on dry hair to give it some moisture and definition too.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
Thanks for the responses!

I have used the KCNT and didn't care for it. Left my with alot of frizz and puffball. I have no clue why. But I have yet to find a good leave in anyways and I have tried many throughtout the years. I just don't totally rinse out all of my cond.

I didn't care for the AOHSR....gives me buildup, frizz, and straw hair. Never tried the White Camelia. And becuz of Laurabeth's mentioning in the past that the Aubrey conds build up I steered away from them. But yet others love them and have no problems.

I have used the KCCC a few times and don't really care for that either. I am wondering if it cuz of the aloe vera juice. It's strange but I have read somewhere that aloe is alkaline...but can't recall where I read it. In Ouidad's book Curltalk she mentions aloe as having amino acids. Another ingredient my hair doesn't like for ex: Joico line.

HE Hello Hydration I didn't care for cuz I think it was too much for my hair maybe too much moisture.

Oh, also in Ouidad's book she mentions glycerin being a natural humectant made of vegetable based amino acids. Helps seal in moisture, keeps products from drying out the hair and provides spreadability to products for even application.

I have been trying to avoid glycerin high on the list as well as proteins...in the winter glycerin dehydrates my hair and in the summer it makes it bigger and makes it swell. And with this NH weather being so changeable I just avoid it all together.

I recently bought the new formula of Devacurl One Condition. Not sure of what I think of it yet as I only used it a few times.

BRHG used to be a good gel for my hair but they changed the formula and I do not care for the newer formula. Used to love old Biolage Gelee too but don't like the newer formula.

How did you ladies do with the Jessicurl conditioners? I have used them in the past but I don't think that my hair like all the oils.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
Right now, my hair is loving:

AOHR for my conditioner, lots of LOOB, and FOTE as a gel. I use a ridiculous amount of FOTE. About 3 hugeee globs scrunched in. It helps "deflate" my hair :P
3b/c coarse, porous (I think), and THICK! Mod CG since: 10/11/08
Avoiding humectants and protein!
hmm you've tried all of our suggestions so now you'll have to check out this thread. I also think you probably need more moisture then I do so the stuff that worked for me in the Winter could work for you right now. Have you tried using coconut oil as a Pre wash DT???

OK PJ's-Let's talk Puddings, Custards & Creams

There are lots of suggestions for curl creams, puddings etc. A lot of stuff that you would find 4's are using but 2's and 3's can handle a lot of it with great success!

For conditioners you could try Biolage conditioning Balm you can get the knock off at Sally's. It's got some nice moisturizing alcohols in it. It worked really well for me in the Winter time then it became too heavy, but for you it could work! Some use that as LI as well. You haven't tried the Lustrasilk though right??? RCC started a thread over the Winter on that you could check that out. EO conditioners have worked well, I haven't looked for them myself locally. I bought mine on line at iherb http://www.iherb.com/EO-Products-Shampoo-Conditioner but I've heard that Bed & Bath carry them sometimes. I use the Chamomile Honey but the one most talked about for imparting moisture is Rose & Chamomile. I have a suspicion that the DEVA may not be moisturizing enough for you since they've changed the formula. From what I've heard DEVA care is still more moisturizing so that's a possibility. You'll always find Deva on the Swap Board it's worth taking a look over there.....

You may like Komaza Coconut Pudding for a styler I loved it this Winter but it's been a little heavy in the Spring http://www.komazacare.com/

Also the Donna Marie line is worth checking out too

http://beautybydonnamarie.com/store/index.php?

Kathymac started a thread in the Product reviews about it over the Winter as well, her stuff has Aloe Vera but mixed with other great ingredients like Shea it makes it very different from KCCC. She sells sampler packs too.

The only condish from JC that I can use is the DT the oils kill my hair in the others.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.

Last edited by DEL2C; 05-23-2009 at 05:16 PM.
Del2c,

I have tried coconut oil in the past both the solid form and liquid. The solid form didn't work for me and I can't remember why I didn't rebuy the oil form. I think the company no longer sold it. Exactly how do you do your oil pre-wash DTs? Do you apply the oil to damp/wet or dry hair? Do you use heat with cap?

I definitely don't do well with oils just applied to dry hair. They do nothing for my hair just make it feel dry. At times I apply Jessicurl's Oil Blend For Softer hair the night before I poo and wash it out in the morning. Also, Sweet Almond Oil is good too. Not so much the Jojoba Oil. Avocado oil, too heavy. Olive oil, too heavy.

According to MyHoneyChild she mentioned to me back sometime ago that 3s need some moisture and more control becuz the hair is neither wavy or kinky. I think I remember her mentioning 25% moisture and 75% control. 4s I think need lots of moisture. Things with too much moisture make me total puffball and things with not enough moisture well that's self explanatory!

I've tried the Sally's Generic Version of Biolage Balm recently. That is one thick heavy conditioner. But I am not impressed, maybe cuz of the propylene glycol high on the list, another humectant, not sure tho. I loved the old original Biolage Balm but they changed their ingredients of course and for me the new one didn't work like the old.

The Sally's around here do not carry that Lustrasilk Shea Butter Cholesterol. I can look again tho or call.

Okay, I have never tried the EO conds your mentioning. I can check the Bed N Bath around here to see if I can find them.

Also, haven't ever tried the Devacare One Condition. I always used the Devacurl. So that is something new to try as well.

Never tried the Donna Marie line either. Will look into that.

Wow, your're a wealth of product information! Thanks! It's funny cuz even tho we are all in the coarse category here different things work and don't work for us.

Recoil left me dry/brillo. CK at first I loved it then it didn't work for me. Giovanni 50:50 used it yrs ago didn't like it.

Did you try the Jessicurl conditioners? How did they effect your hair?
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
YAY I actually helped with some things you haven't tried!!

Phew! You've tried it all!!!! Well being a PJ I can certainly help! This past Winter was a TON of experimenting some good a lot BAD that's when I figured out I can't tolerate a lot of oils. Recoil for some reason works really well in the Summer but I have to rotate it with other things or the Mag Sulph will eventually catch up to me. I've also been able to use it in lower dews with a rich pudding like Komaza with good results. Mid Dews not so great.....

OH how about Flax seed gel??? This has been quite a hit and there are recipes all over the place around here. Botticelli Babe posted her recipe and hers seems to have mass appeal. You may possibly need a gel on top for extra hold.

You may have to have Sally's special order Lustrasilk for you, if you get a cashier who refuses to do it ask for a Mgr. that's what I had to do! E-bay sells it too but then you gotta pay shipping....This seems to work best as LI but RCC was using it as a curl cream.

Coconut Oil I use as a Pre-Wash I don't bother with a heat cap, too much trouble I put it in the night before and the next day wash it out with a Low Poo and condition as normal. I've only used the solid form, I prefer that anyway cuz then I can emulsify what I want. I use about a qtr. size and do this 2-3 x a week.

JC WDT is the only one that works for me, the others were too oil heavy.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
I could be wrong but if I am remembering right Recoil has some proteins down the middle of the list. I am not sure if my problem was from the mag sulfate or the proteins or could have been both knowing my hair!

I will go to Sally's to see if they can order me a jar of the Lustrasilk Shea Butter Cholesterol. BTW, my hair hated the Queen Helene Cholesterol not sure why maybe cuz of the mineral oil.

I have never tried flaxseed gel. I'll have to check for the ingredients.

Okay, so it sounds like your doing the oil pre-wash DTs the same way as I am. I just leave the oil on overnight then poo out next morning. Not sure really if that does anything for my hair. If I am remembering right Tiffany suggests olive oil for coarse hair but I think it's too heavy to wash out and messy!

JC Wkly DT did nothing for my hair and I think I used 2 or 3 jars in the past. I had better luck with CJ Hibiscus & Banana DT for some reason. Maybe I should reorder some. I didn't care for the CJ Coffeecoco Curl Creme as a styler however it made me dry for some reason.

Okay, so you didn't have luck the JC conditioners cuz the oils were too heavy? so did they weigh your hair down? or puff it out?

TIA
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal

Last edited by GettinControl; 05-23-2009 at 07:13 PM.
I have been enjoying the Walgreens knock-off biolage conditioning balm called "bioinfusion hydrating conditioning balm" as leave-in and the Fructis Body Boost as rinse-out.

I don't actually like my hair to feel too soft or anything, it is coarser and wiry by its nature (at least most of it is) and I like when it feels like it has structure.

So I like conditioners to make it slippery, and smoother, but not soft.

Not settled on styling products yet, alternating the HE Set Me Up gel (which is a little too hard and a little drying) with the Loreal Glossy Curls (which feels great but I am not sure if the castor oil would cause problems eventually.) Sometimes I use some of each.

Also I usually flip my head over after it dries and use (gasp) hairspray, it keeps the hair a little better organized and adds some volume that I really like.
2c / C / iii (FIA)
Med-Coarse, LowPorosity, NormalElast (LCLF)

Shoulder-Length now.

Wash: DevaCare Low Poo
Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
Leave-in: DevaCare OneC (budget choice is GFTN)
Style: ReCoil & DevaCare Arc Angel (budget choices are HESMU or Got2BSpikedUp)

Henna!

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Naturally Curly/Wavy Korean Guy

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Well, there is always the Curl Junkie Curl rehab to try...

I couldn't handle the TooShea! because of the oat protein, but I did like the WDT.

If you don't like protein and want to try the EO stuff, get the little sizes first because most of their sonditioners have wheat protein.

ETA:

Oh, and going by your product use descriptions, you probably have porous hair. Have your tried porosity control conditioners or ACV rinses? If your hair is very porous, it won't matter how much moisture you put in your hair because you won't be able to retain it.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.

Last edited by redcelticcurls; 05-23-2009 at 09:32 PM.
Redcelticcurls,

Your hair is lovely!

Are you referring to the CJ Rehab Oil in the little bottle, is that what you use? Or the CJ Rehab in the jar?

If the EO conditioners have protein then I will probably just avoid those.

I did the porosity hair strand test and my fingertips never did the catch thing or came to a stop and some strands my fingertips glide easily from end to root and other strands my fingertips feel an unevenness. And hear a squeak with several which I guess means lack of moisture(I am back to hard water UGH!) I don't think I have overly porous hair so medium porosity. I have never tried a porosity control conditioner but have recently started ACV rinses every 2 wks or so to combat the hard water and to help with my porosity.

I totally understand your mentioning that if hair is overly porous it won't retain moisture. My strands sink in the water but Tiffany mentions that not being a totally accurate test.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
Thank you!

I use the Curl Rehab that comes in a tub - the gardenia one. It feels thin but moisturizes like a thick conditioner, and I wondered if the consistency might suit you better. It is protein free and glycerin free. I don't even have to double check that one, lol. I would not have bought it if it had either proteins or glycerin.

What made me wonder about porosity for you was the tendency to poof, which is more common with coarse porous hair than coarse nonporous hair.

With the exception of my first 7-10 days post color, my hair usually floats in a strand test, yet I treat it as porous hair. As for the feel, I have a hard time telling if the wiry feel that I feel is from the texture or the porosity, and maybe it is a bit of both on me. Since we had a few similar issues, it all made me wonder if you are a bit porous and if that is affecting your hairs ability to retain moisture.

Do you notice a difference in the feel of your hair with an ACV rinse? Is it smoother and less tangly?

If it's hard water buildup that is blocking moisture from getting in, I think there are chelating clenasers or ingredients that are good for that. Some hard water curlies can give you a better answer than I can on that one.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I've done 2 ACV rinses so far(within the last month) and remember getting smoothness when I did them in the past(yrs ago) but noticed that I didn't get that smoothness with the current ones....but I didn't have any distilled water so I had to use the hard water which is probably why. Occassionally I use the Ouidad WW Poo.
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
If it's hard water, a shower filter can help. Curlies here have put filters on their shower heads with great sucess! That might need a whole 'nother thread, lol.

If no conditioner is getting in well, and acv isn't smoothing you, hard water buildup could well be a culprit.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
My hair is very much effected by hard water. I had a portable water softener filter(and it worked/water tested soft) but maintenance thought it was too heavy for the pipe here(wt was about 8 or 9 lbs) so I took it off about a month ago. Too bad they don't sell the smaller size anymore. I've just been using the Paragon Shower Filter which is basically for chlorine but it doesn't soften the water. The Paragon helps some but again still using the hard water, but it's still better than nothing. Thanks!
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal
RCC what has been your experience with Amino Acids? I've noticed that some products will list Wheat Amino Acids Separate from Amino Acids. Unless the double dose is more bothersome?? I know Deva NO Poo lists both and I can't use that through the length of my hair or it gets straw like. EO condish only list Amino Acids far down the list.....

Gettin-the links to iherb will show you the ingredients of EO conditioners. They do contain Amino Acids but they aren't high on the list and don't bother me at all. Wheat Amino acid different story..my hair reacts the same way as it does with Soy Protein and Wheat proteins. We all need some protein so maybe the small doses in BRHG, LVPNG and EO are mine. I don't do any DT protein treatments. You may not want to discount it off the bat.....

My hair reacted to the Oils in JC with Straw-like, very dry hair.

I don't actually like my hair to feel too soft or anything, it is coarser and wiry by its nature (at least most of it is) and I like when it feels like it has structure.

So I like conditioners to make it slippery, and smoother, but not soft.
Robin this is how I feel as well, I'm also wiry by nature so too soft= losing definition or being OC'd
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.

Last edited by DEL2C; 05-24-2009 at 10:26 AM.
DEL2C,

The first few times I tried the Too Shea which was about 5 yrs ago(I had soft water and anticurl) it left me total puffball with no definition. The Aloeba worked better for me back then surprisingly cuz it is not as much moisture. And as hairdressers say our hair changes at times I remember trying it recently and I didn't get those same results.

I will look into the EO conds. I think my hair does okay if protein is way down the list. But anything that is protein geared I'll continue to stay away from. Protein DTs such as Kpak and Paul Brown Resurrect my hair feels good after doing them but next day or two brillopad hard hair.

How do you ladies do with the elasticity test? My hair definitely doesn't stretch to 50% of its length but it doesn't always snap/break either.

Oh, also regarding the Lustrasilk what is the exact name? Is it the Lustrasilk Shea Butter and Mango Cholesterol? TIA
3a/b medium/coarse but mostly moderately coarse, dense, strong strands
Komaza analysis current: medium to thick/ strands(mostly coarse), very strong elasticity, low porosity(some is), healthy strong hair
Goosefootprints: moderately coarse with some medium; low porosity at roots, normal thru shaft, porous ends.
LCLF:medium,normal,normal

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