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Old 05-25-2009, 12:34 PM   #1
 
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Default Too soon to try baking soda/ACV Rinse?

My roots are sooo flat!!
I discovered that my hair does much better with GV Biolage conditioner than TIGI moisture maniac. My ends held the curl the entire day as opposed to flattening to waves by the time it was completely dry, with no change in product. So I was thinking of trying a baking soda wash followed by an ACV rinse to help my roots a bit. I've only been doing CG for a few days, so I don't want to prevent my hair from adjusting to it, but my roots seriously need some help. I have fine hair so I think I will need to do modified CG (I allready placed an order for kathymack soap bars)
So is it too soon?
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I don't think it's too soon at all. I loved the BS/ACV every week until I got my soap bars. It really helped me transition.
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Since you are high porosity, it might work to just try the acv rinse first if you are going for strictly curl perk.

If your roots feel a little grimy, using both wouldn't hurt to try out. This is learning time, after all. But, being porous, it is important to do the acv after the baking soda because the alkalinity of the baking soda can make you look even more porous or be drying.
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Old 05-25-2009, 01:05 PM   #4
 
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Thanks. I am thinking of doing the following: conditioning my ends, mixing 1T baking soda into my co-wash and scrubbing my scalp, rinse, ACV rinse (3T vinegar in 2C water),leave on for a couple minutes, rinse, condition, rinse.

Sound OK?
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Just FYI, I think Strutt'swife (Tiffany, of LiveCurlyLiveFree.com) recommends ACV only once or twice a month; not sure about the baking soda.

I've found that using the Denman brush (or giant Mebco shower detangler) to distribute my leave-in CO (and sometimes my gel) really helps get curl up at my roots -- something that never happened before.
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I don't know the baking soda ratios/recipe since I've never done it.

Most start out with 2T to 2 cup ratio for the ACV rinse and adjust from there.

I use 1/4 cup (4t) to 2cups water every 7-10 days, but not everyone can get away with that strong or that often.
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Old 05-25-2009, 03:56 PM   #7
 
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If you want more moisture, you may want to do one of the AO conditioners once or twice a week. I didn't find either the Tigi MM or the GB Biolage clones moisturizing enough last year. I can only do the AOs twice a week. I prefer the GPB or IN. They both have some protein in them--which is usually good for fine hair.
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I tried the routine as posted above and my hair did NOT like it. I am just going to go back to my regular co-wash routine tomorrow...
I can't wait for my new products to arrive!
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Was it drying?
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Yes, I think it was drying. My hair felt super dry after the baking soda, the vinegar made it feel much better in the shower, but after I rinsed my conditioner out, it felt straw-ish (for lack of a better word). Because my hair is so fine, I was afraid to add anything as a leave in. I thought I would just be left with the same weighted down problem as yesterday.
I think I need to take kathymack's advice and do a deeper conditioner if I try this again.
After I styled, my hair was way more frizzy, and didn't have any better curl than the day before (including the flat roots.) Right now it feels light, like there isn't any product buildup, but dry.
Maybe I just need to use a different co-wash???
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By doing this routine, have I negated the protein treatment I did earlier this week?
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Maybe the baking soda was too strong, or maybe you are too porous to get as much benefit out of it as a less porous peson would be. That is the main reason I still haven't tried one myself.
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Old 05-26-2009, 04:39 AM   #13
 
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My hair is fine, but low porosity. Baking soda really dries it out--even 1/4 t in conditioner, etc. Don't neglect the conditioning--especially after a "treatment." That's when you hair needs it the most. Remember that high porosity hair easily absorbs and easily loses whatever it is you do.

You just need to find the right products and routine. Which doesn't happen overnight. Be patient and you'll get there.
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My hair is very porous also, and loves ACV. I do about a quarter cup to 2 cups water also, and my hair tolerates it great. I would not try the baking soda though because I read (on here I think) that it fades color if you have color treated hair.
The ACV gets rid of build up well, but I never considered the problem of flat roots before. I have flat roots too, but figured it was the weight of my hair pulling them flat. My hair is very thick and heavy, and is getting to mid-back. Would that pull the curl down and "flatten" the roots?
I don't mind flat roots per se, am just curious.
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My hair is very porous also, and loves ACV. I do about a quarter cup to 2 cups water also, and my hair tolerates it great. I would not try the baking soda though because I read (on here I think) that it fades color if you have color treated hair.
The ACV gets rid of build up well, but I never considered the problem of flat roots before. I have flat roots too, but figured it was the weight of my hair pulling them flat. My hair is very thick and heavy, and is getting to mid-back. Would that pull the curl down and "flatten" the roots?
I don't mind flat roots per se, am just curious.
To some extent, length can pull the roots. I had perkier roots at shoulder length than I do now.

Also, even though I hate daily protein, a protein treatment now and again perks up my roots.
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Old 05-27-2009, 12:33 AM   #16
 
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Default Kathymack you were right!!

I tried a second dose of conditioner this morning and boy, what a difference. My hair is just wanting more moisture! I searched 3 stores today for AO conditioners, and I am going to try again tomorrow with a more intelligent approach (I searched their website for retailers that carry their products...genius, I know. And it only took me an entire afternoon of searching to figure that out!)
I am also suspecting that the flatness in my roots is from a combination of a weird CG adjustment phase and plopping too long.
My hair is also doing very wierd things the last couple of days. It almost seems like my curls are trying to emerge. There are clumps that have my regular 3A waves with sections of ringlet, and then back to the wave. Wierd, huh? It gives me hope for curlier days.
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Old 05-27-2009, 04:21 AM   #17
 
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A lot of health food type stores/markets carry the AO products: Whole Foods, Vitamin Shoppe, local stores, etc.

When I first started, I had trouble finding conditioners that were moistening enough. I could only use the AO conditioners twice a week. First, I discovered the KBB hair milk (thanks to scarriecarrie) and then moved on to some other things, too. I use a lot of Curl Junkie conditioning products, Komaza Califia Conditioner and some of other "handmade" products. The soap bars (which you should have in a day or two) also made huge difference. Sounds like you should have hope for curlier days!
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I know you fixed your problem with more moisture but I did want to comment on the baking soda. My hair isn`t all that porous but I don`t think it could take baking soda the way you applied it. I`ve only done it in a handful of times over the years - when I felt really grimy and lemon wouldn`t - but I always mixed it with water and sprayed on pre-conditioner. Then followed up ACV rinse after conditioning. Probably not the prescribed method but seemed to help with grimieness and didn`t leave me feeling dry.

I think you`re going to love the soap bars for root volume. I have way more and I`ve only used them twice so far. Some people have an adjustment period to them but I didn`t at all.
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