High Dew Point Product/Support Thread

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I'm a fine- to medium-haired curly (2B/3A), and when my hair is over-moisturized it becomes limp, greasy, and then frizzy. That's why I use less leave-in conditioners in the summer. Whereas in the winter I could use both a leave-in and a curl cream, in the summer I use just one or the other.

I also get frizzy if my hair is too dry, but because my hair is healthy and my scalp is oily, and I avoid sulfates, hot styling tools, and hair dye, this rarely happens to me (except during very low dews).

In her Curl Junkie blog, Marsha discusses three types of situations that generally induce frizz:

(from Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair! , 4/23/09):

1)Differences in your hair's natural texture. You may have tightly coiled, curly and wavy hair all in the same head and sometimes right next to each other and that can cause what looks like frizz.

2)Over conditioning/product buildup - Sometimes we tend to overuse conditioners, leave-ins and stylers which can lead to overconditioning (hair becomes almost too soft, frizzy and lifeless with undefined curls/coils). If you are using a really good moisturizing conditioner already, be careful not to overdo it by adding say, a leave-in and a styler that already has conditioning ingredients. I find that usually less is more, so if you have a creamy, moisturizing styler (like the CoffeeCoco Curl Creme), you probably don't need a leave-in conditioner underneath. If you want more hold, then you can top it with a little gel of choice (say the Aloe Fix or Smoothing Gellie :-), or your preferred gel) and that should do ya! Sometimes adding an extra product like a leave-in to this combo or similar combo can cause frizziness from overconditioning. I usually use a leave-in alone or with a gel product or I use a creamy product by itself so I avoid this problem. If the frizzies have you in their grasp, I find that clarifying (with a shampoo or ACV rinse, etc.), followed by a conditioner with a little protein (like Curl Theory) usually helps smooth out frizzies.

3)Dry weather (low humidity) - This is where you really want to use a good moisturizing rinse out conditioner followed by a leave-in conditioner with a low amount of humectants and plenty of smoothing emollients (like Curl Assurance leave-in) to seal in moisture. If you use a leave-in with a high level of humectants in this situation, your hair may "reach out" to the air looking for moisture (and then if it doesn't find it, the humectant can pull from the hair itself causing dryness and...frizzies!) which can give the appearance of frizzies!
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
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I find that using protein also helps in the high dewpoints. I do at least one PT a week, use a lot of products with protein and SS Protein Spray a few times a week. If I use the spray, a rich product to "seal" my hair and a jelly, my hair is good for the day. I wet and style every day and my hair is too short to do overnight "protection." If I was less picky, I guess I could do second day (and more) hair, but I don't.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I find that using protein also helps in the high dewpoints. I do at least one PT a week, use a lot of products with protein and SS Protein Spray a few times a week. If I use the spray, a rich product to "seal" my hair and a jelly, my hair is good for the day. I wet and style every day and my hair is too short to do overnight "protection." If I was less picky, I guess I could do second day (and more) hair, but I don't.
Originally Posted by kathymack
I've been adding protein lately with good results but my hair tends to be dry even in high dews so don't think I'm one of those curlies that needs to ease up on conditioning for fear or being greasy and/or weighed down. I do have to keep it simple and not layer too many products as that was giving me build up!

Kathymack how can I reach you for some of the samples I read about?
3a/b, fine texture, low porosity, normal elasticity, mod-CG 7/11/11

Poo: KC Come Clean, SM Moisture Retention
CO: CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan & Olive Oil, Renpure Argan Oil, YTCucumbers, Sevi Pumpkin
Style: AIF, HESMU, Biolage gelee, KCCC
LOOB for second day hair


Like BS/ACV rinses, limit protein/humectants.
I find that using protein also helps in the high dewpoints. I do at least one PT a week, use a lot of products with protein and SS Protein Spray a few times a week. If I use the spray, a rich product to "seal" my hair and a jelly, my hair is good for the day. I wet and style every day and my hair is too short to do overnight "protection." If I was less picky, I guess I could do second day (and more) hair, but I don't.
Originally Posted by kathymack
I've been adding protein lately with good results but my hair tends to be dry even in high dews so don't think I'm one of those curlies that needs to ease up on conditioning for fear or being greasy and/or weighed down. I do have to keep it simple and not layer too many products as that was giving me build up!

Kathymack how can I reach you for some of the samples I read about?
Originally Posted by Cuban-curl-E
pm me.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic (now Hello Curly Curl Stimulater); Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I've read you don't know how much hold you need, but of the jellies...which has the most hold in your opinion? I'm thinking of changing to something other than CQ for the summer. I, like you. don't like a producty feel on my hair but definitely need some hold.

TIA
3b, fine textured,thin and normal to high porosity.
I've read you don't know how much hold you need, but of the jellies...which has the most hold in your opinion? I'm thinking of changing to something other than CQ for the summer. I, like you. don't like a producty feel on my hair but definitely need some hold.

TIA
Originally Posted by KarenRB53
In my experience, SS CEJ and UFDCM are the gellies with the most hold. Because I hate the scent of UFDCM, plus CEJ is cheaper, I stick with the CEJ. CIAB has a little less hold IMO, and CQ has hold but can be temperamental because of the high amount and type of protein in it, so I can't use it all the time.

Last summer, I used CEJ over my curl cream with good results. This summer, I switched to
SS FHG and like it better. The hold is better than with CEJ, and my hair remains soft (not producty or crunchy) once I SOTC.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
Great thread! I wanted to subscribe but see you have to post in order to do that
I don't have a product to recommend though-sorry!!!1 Just love all the advice; thanks!!!
Great thread! I wanted to subscribe but see you have to post in order to do that
I don't have a product to recommend though-sorry!!!1 Just love all the advice; thanks!!!
Originally Posted by angelalynnc
you don't have to post to subscribe -- just click on 'thread tools' in the blue horizontal menu above, and it will come up with a list, so you then click on 'subsribe.'
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
Ohhhh Duh! ha ha Thanks RBB
It seemed like there should have been that option! I am new to this awesome site and still figuring it all out!
Ok, so this is what I thought to believe when it came to higher dew points:

"When the dew point for your area is at 60F or above, it might be a good idea to apply some product with anti-humectant properties. These products will seal the hair shaft, flatten the cuticle and prevent atmospheric moisture from absorbing into the interior of your strands."

Humidity, Humectants and the Dew Point


So I was a little surprised and confused to read this advice on Marsha's blog:

"In higher dews, I love a lot of humectants (like glycerin) along with something to seal in the moisture and add weight (which gel products do for me with or without crunch)."

Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: How to Prevent Your Curls from Drying Out?


Can anyone add anything to this? Thanks in advance
Upper Michigan Dews
3a ~ Fine ~ High Porosity ~ Normal Density

NoPoo: JC Cleansing Cream
Rinse Outs: SS:PRT, CJ Repair Me, CJ Argan
Detangler: KCKT
Leave-in: CJ Repair me
Stylers: UFDCM, BRHG
Refreshers: Batiste (dry shampoo) on the roots & UFDCM everywhere else

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Ok, so this is what I thought to believe when it came to higher dew points:

"When the dew point for your area is at 60F or above, it might be a good idea to apply some product with anti-humectant properties. These products will seal the hair shaft, flatten the cuticle and prevent atmospheric moisture from absorbing into the interior of your strands."

Humidity, Humectants and the Dew Point


So I was a little surprised and confused to read this advice on Marsha's blog:

"In higher dews, I love a lot of humectants (like glycerin) along with something to seal in the moisture and add weight (which gel products do for me with or without crunch)."

Curl Junkie - Natural Hair Care for all types of Curly Hair!: How to Prevent Your Curls from Drying Out?


Can anyone add anything to this? Thanks in advance
Originally Posted by sheilacurl
"apply some product with anti-humectant properties. These products will seal the hair shaft" vs. "a lot of humectants (like glycerin) along with something to seal in the moisture"

Those 2 sentiments aren't necessarily mutually contradictory to me. Anti-humectant properties to seal the hair shaft = something that acts as a sealer. For instance, Aveda's Anti-Humectant Pomade has both oils and silicones, which are sealers in and of themselves. "Something to seal in the moisture" = sealer in my brain as well. Marsha mentions she used Aloe Fix gel and tops with CIAB in higher dews. I know cones act to seal the hair, so with PEG-8 Dimethicone in CIAB, maybe it's also acting as an anti-humectant.
CG since 11/2011
2c /3a F /Mii, low porosity

Summer Products /Routine:
Clarifying: ACV rinses, Suave Professional Men Deep Clean Peppermint
Low Poo: Renpure Luxurious Argan Oil
Co-washes: VO5 Kiwi Lime Squeeze or Strawberries & Cream
RO: VO5 KLS or S&C, Cure Care
LI (if needed): VO5 S&C, VO5 SC, Cure Care
Stylers: FSG, AIF,
Tresemme Flawless Curls Bouncy Curls gel
PT: IAGirl's (link) as needed
everyone's hair reacts differently. my hair seems to prefer high dews -- 60 and above! i use cj aloe fix gel without a leave in or anything on top, and my hair is great all summer!
so humectants are also ok for those whose hair does not like high dew points, just seal it with something on top.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
what if a product has both humectants and anti-humectants? do they cancel each other out? am i looking for one or the other to be higher on the ingredient list? thanks.
2b/c wavy modified CG since July 2012
medium texture, normal porosity, normal elasticity
hair likes protein, doesn't like oils, easily OC'd

low poo: JCHCC, CJGCS
RO/co-wash/LI: YTCarrots, DB Pumpkin Seed
stylers: a bunch of stylers that are all pretty much the same (KCCC, UFDCM, CRCM, CKCJ) or ArcAngel if I need more hold
DT/PT: CJRM, CNPF
The high dews are just around the corner in my area so I'm starting to think about this. I know we're supposed to avoid humectants (glycerine, honey, aloe, propylene glycol). Do you avoid them in all your products, no matter where on the list they are?

Then I found this post, which contradicts everything (lol):

If you get frizz after your hair has air dried, what CG product would you use?
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
I know we're supposed to avoid humectants (glycerine, honey, aloe, propylene glycol). Do you avoid them in all your products, no matter where on the list they are?

Then I found this post, which contradicts everything (lol):

If you get frizz after your hair has air dried, what CG product would you use?
Originally Posted by CurlyGrey3
I didn't read through that thread (it's LONG!). What is the summary? Why does it contradict everything?

Just to clarify- not everyone has to avoid humectants in high dews. Some people can use Curl Keeper all summer long without any issues whatsoever (CK is chock full of glycerin and other humectants).

I, personally, only have to avoid glycerin. Aloe, agave, and pretty much any other humectants give me no issues at all! It's about finding the moisture/ humectant balance that works for your hair.

I keep my hair moisturized by doing DTs with coconut oil, using a rinse out and leave in pretty much every day, incorporating protein in regularly, including treatments. So my hair, therefore, has plenty of moisture and doesn't need to try to steal it from the humid environment.
2C/ Coarse/ Normal porosity/ SW Florida/ Salt & Pepper
Cleanse: CJ Daily Fix, JC Cleansing Cream, TJ Tea Tree Condish
Condish: JC Too Shea, CJ Curl Rehab (both as RO & LI)
Stylers: UFD CM, CJ PP, JC Spiralicious, Darcy's Cream Gel & Cocoa bean whip
I know we're supposed to avoid humectants (glycerine, honey, aloe, propylene glycol). Do you avoid them in all your products, no matter where on the list they are?

Then I found this post, which contradicts everything (lol):

If you get frizz after your hair has air dried, what CG product would you use?
Originally Posted by CurlyGrey3
I didn't read through that thread (it's LONG!). What is the summary? Why does it contradict everything?

Just to clarify- not everyone has to avoid humectants in high dews. Some people can use Curl Keeper all summer long without any issues whatsoever (CK is chock full of glycerin and other humectants).

I, personally, only have to avoid glycerin. Aloe, agave, and pretty much any other humectants give me no issues at all! It's about finding the moisture/ humectant balance that works for your hair.

I keep my hair moisturized by doing DTs with coconut oil, using a rinse out and leave in pretty much every day, incorporating protein in regularly, including treatments. So my hair, therefore, has plenty of moisture and doesn't need to try to steal it from the humid environment.
Originally Posted by chloe92us

I was just pointing out the one post She says avoid humectants at low dews because they pull moisture out (which I've read before) but to use lots of them at very high dews (which contradicts everything else I've read).

I'm a software engineer. I've learned over the years to not try to solve a problem that doesn't exist yet, since it can be hard to really predict how the problem will manifest itself (if at all) ahead of time. My plan is to stick with what I'm doing until either it doesn't work or I want to experiment with something that might work better.
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Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
Oh, and thanks for your answer That makes sense to me, which is why I'm going to wait and see what happens to my hair in the higher dews (especially since I'm in the office every day). I still can't help myself from researching obsessively at times.
Salt & pepper wavy mix 2B/2C
Low to normal porosity, coarse, kinky, normal elasticity
Current favorites:
Low poo: Yes To Cukes Color Protection (the no sulfate one)
Conditioners: Renpure MPHIP, CJ Smoothing Lotion, AB LI, CJ Curl Rehab, CJ Argan/Olive, Darcy's Pumpkin
Style: FSG, BRHG
Pre-poo/DT: Conditioner with honey & coconut oil

iHerb discount code: PNQ285
I still can't help myself from researching obsessively at times.
Originally Posted by CurlyGrey3
That is me TODAY!!! I have a plan though. Tonight I'm off to Target to get a couple things (which I hope I can find!) and I'm hoping for less frizz tomorrow, although much of mine is due to differences in hair texture. It should be a better day anyhow since dews are supposed to go down. I will post products, techniques, and results.
Type 2B - 3A
Med-High Porosity (partial highlights), medium & corse mixed textures

CG Day 1: May 16, 2013

Poo: CJ Daily Fix Cleansing Condish (as needed)
CO: Tresemme Naturals Vibrantly Smooth Condish
RO&LI: CJ Beauticurls Argan & Olive Oil Daily Hair Condish
Styling: CJ Pattern Pusha or FSG, TRESemme Flawless Curls - Bouncy Curls Defining Gel, Giovanni LANaturals HardHold Gel (canopy only)
DT: CJ Curl Rehab, Coconut oil, SS Repairing PT

Techniques: Scrunch-n-pump, tshirt wrap

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