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Old 07-19-2009, 03:48 AM   #1
 
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My HEHH condish is my absolute HG condish but it has bis-aminopropyl dimethicone. I've heard it's a slightly soluble cone but I want to know if I have to co wash it out, low poo it out or if it can just rinse out with water. There are just too many rumours out there, lol
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Old 07-19-2009, 05:00 AM   #2
 
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My HEHH condish is my absolute HG condish but it has bis-aminopropyl dimethicone. I've heard it's a slightly soluble cone but I want to know if I have to co wash it out, low poo it out or if it can just rinse out with water. There are just too many rumours out there, lol
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I don't think it's water soluble
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Old 07-19-2009, 10:05 AM   #3
 
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According to this CurlChemist article

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The short answer is that these polymers are not water soluble.
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It would be necessary to use a shampoo containing one of the lauryl or laureth sulfates or cocamidopropyl betaine to completely remove this silicone from the hair, which may be of concern to those who prefer to use only conditioner-cleansing methods.
I hope that helps.
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Old 07-19-2009, 10:10 PM   #4
 
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Thank you so much guys, so I'll have to get a low-poo that contains coco betaine? If that's the case then cool, I'm okay w/ it. It's only 3 products in total anyways. One more question though, will the condish build up if I use a tiny bit to leave in every night??
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Old 07-20-2009, 04:29 AM   #5
 
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I totally agree with you about this conditioner!! I love it for my daughters hair as a co wash and leave in, Ive also started using the intensive mask which has similar ing. I think they are both amazing!!

I thought that this cone was water soluable but Ive since learned that it's not ........ so yeaterday I shampood with HEHH shampoo........then realised this contains Dimethicone......on its own not even Bis-Aminopropyl!!!!

So that was a complete waste of time!! I'll have to look for a decent sulphate/cone free poo now!!!
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Old 07-20-2009, 05:08 AM   #6
 
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oh bummer mumofcurlygirl that sucks. Since when does shampoo contain harsher cones than condish? Have they been living on mars under a rock or something?? HEHH works ammmazzzzing as a co wash because of the slip, it just glides through my hair which I was ecstatic about since my hair is thick n coarse. Too bad it build up easy cos of the cone (for me)

gonna low poo onn wednesday w/ my mum's neways shampoo (sulfate free, just coco betaine) to see if that works out. If it does then I'll continue using my products and if it doesn't then DevaCurl here I come lol. Yep I'm thinking of getting that you-build-it deva pack, that's a huge chunk outta my account isn't it haha
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Thank you so much guys, so I'll have to get a low-poo that contains coco betaine? If that's the case then cool, I'm okay w/ it. It's only 3 products in total anyways. One more question though, will the condish build up if I use a tiny bit to leave in every night??
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Yes a shampoo containing cocamidopropyl betaine will remove it.

From the same CurlChemist article mentioned above...

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A unique property of these polymers is that once in place on the surface of the hair, they repel further deposition of amine-functional polymers on top of the existing layer, preventing buildup.
I'm definitely not an expert but I'd say try using it as a leave-in at night and if you start noticing buildup you can always shampoo it out. It really is trial and error with products and how they react to your head of hair.
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Yes a shampoo containing cocamidopropyl betaine will remove it.

From the same CurlChemist article mentioned above...

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A unique property of these polymers is that once in place on the surface of the hair, they repel further deposition of amine-functional polymers on top of the existing layer, preventing buildup.
I'm definitely not an expert but I'd say try using it as a leave-in at night and if you start noticing buildup you can always shampoo it out. It really is trial and error with products and how they react to your head of hair.
Yes I guess it's just what works for my hair type and what doesn't. My routine was working fabulously until I found out that build up and cones can clog your hair follicle and cause hair loss. I'm known 4 my thick hair and was like nooooooo but I'm so thankful that you guys have got my back! thanks. Excited 2 try low poo tomorrow, if that doesnt work then nothing will lmao
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can you use a low poo or something to get it out?
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Yes you can
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Old 12-20-2012, 12:21 PM   #11
 
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Lightbulb No, but not to worry! (No build-up, read below)

(Skip to the last paragraph for the summary but i recommend reading it all )

Bis-aminopropyl dimethicone is a amine-funtionalized silicone. This means that parts of its chemical structure were replaced by amino acids.
Just like in its original state, as dimethicone, bis-aminopropyl dimethicone is not water soluble but does not "build-up" as many other silicon can.

Here's what it does: Hair, as we know, has an overall negative charge. Bis-aminopropyl dimethicone is a partly a catatonic (+) polymer, which is electromagnetically attracted to the strands' cuticles. It adheres to the strand's surface. Once attached, it spreads out to create a light film, imparting shine, silkiness and body.

Now, here's the bad part! Removing it is tricky. It is afterall still a silicone. I read that it dissipates over time with relaxed usage and takes a few washings (using what, idk) to remove it completely in a shorter amt. of time.

BUT, and this is the good part: being that this chemical is part nonionic silicone and part cationic polymer, it cannot attach to itself, meaning it cannot build up on top of itself with multiple applications. It simply isn't attracted to itself, like some of its stickier/nonionic/zwitterionic cousins are. This silicone simply slips off of the areas to which the silicone is already applied!

And the great part?? Areas of extreme cuticle damage are especially negatively charged. Bis-aminopropyl dimethicone and other amine-functionalized products are especially attracted to these areas, depositing their protein structures and working especially hard to make these areas look/feel healthier

Short if it: Bis-aminopropyl dimethicone is healthy&fortifying, though difficult to remove; but will not cause build up! I suggest using this every other wash to ensure your hair is getting proper nourishment from other products, because commercial products containing this (such as hello hydration) can improve the health/feel of your hair!

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The article below by Tonya McKay (whose articles i love!!!) is where i got some of my info:
http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...ized-silicones
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