Super-Soaker Method for Promoting Clumps -UPDATED/Video Link - Page 12

xcptnl · 08-01-2009, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Jess the Mess

I still don't have huge clumps, my ringlets are awfully skinny, but they are much more uniform and that's all I want.

That is how I feel too. In the pics I posted earlier in this thread I realized that people would think 'what clumps??' But to me it is a much better look because I am getting all my head not just in my curlier spots. And they are bit fatter than they are normally.

In fact, yesterday I had to leave the house by 5:30 am and I got up late and I rushed and boy could I see the difference in my hair yesterday...flatter and less curly/clumpier.

xcptnl · 08-01-2009, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

Slightly off topic:

If we have a drought, you dont know me... and I dont know you.....

What are you talking you about and who are you??

Man - I hope I don't run the well dry-I will plead the 5th!

xcptnl · 08-01-2009, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by StruttsWife

I tried something a little different this a.m.: I flipped upside down in the shower and rinsed out my conditioner with cool water, then combed in my leave-in and some gel with a wide-tooth combs (I don't use a Denman).

I then turned off the shower spray and let the water run into the bathtub; still upside down, I cupped my hands under the stream to get a good little pool and then "dipped" my entire length into it...I did this several times until I was totally dripping. Then I scrunched in gel, scrunched out the excess, plopped then clipped (which is where I am now in the process). We'll see how this works.

God, we are such freaks! I LOVE US!!!

I so want this to work in the shower but had a situation with my part when I tried it. Do you not have to 'set' your part? Mine often does it's own thing and it is perfectly straight which I hate so I 'mess' it up. I am going to work on this....I will MAKE it work in the shower. Maybe. Hopefully.

anatidaephobia · 08-01-2009, 08:45 AM

Wanted to report back after trying this method -- HUGE clumps. Unfortunately, not much volume. I can see why this would be perfect for those with super dense voluminous hair. I'm going to try it again with some clipping for the volume and diffusing because I think part of the volume problem was how long my hair stayed wet and pulled down the root.

thick_n_wavy · 08-01-2009, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by melaniesusan

One variation on Rudee's method that has helped me: I apply my base (curl cream) before cupping/soaking, but then I don't apply the final product (gel for hold) until after plopping, when my hair is still wet but no longer soaking wet. I think (but am not sure) that that helps with the hold.

I was applying my gel after plopping like melaniesusan, but today I applied the gel before my plop. It went AFG + LALSG, brush through, CLU scrunch out the water, plop.

Results were not as good as when I apply the gel after my plop.

However....I find that plopping breaks up my clumps, so next time I'm going to super soak after I plop, maybe scrunch out a little water, and then apply my gel. I'm finding that the purpose of plopping (for me) is to get my hair out of the way so I can apply lotion, toner to my face, etc. Frankly it has never done anything good for my hairstyle

rudeechick · 08-01-2009, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by thick_n_wavy

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Originally Posted by melaniesusan

One variation on Rudee's method that has helped me: I apply my base (curl cream) before cupping/soaking, but then I don't apply the final product (gel for hold) until after plopping, when my hair is still wet but no longer soaking wet. I think (but am not sure) that that helps with the hold.

I was applying my gel after plopping like melaniesusan, but today I applied the gel before my plop. It went AFG + LALSG, brush through, CLU scrunch out the water, plop.

Results were not as good as when I apply the gel after my plop.

However....I find that plopping breaks up my clumps, so next time I'm going to super soak after I plop, maybe scrunch out a little water, and then apply my gel. I'm finding that the purpose of plopping (for me) is to get my hair out of the way so I can apply lotion, toner to my face, etc. Frankly it has never done anything good for my hairstyle

LOL. I enjoy plopping for the same exact reason!

I am curious to see what soaking after plopping will do. Sounds counter-intuitive; but this is ALL counter-intuitive!

thick_n_wavy · 08-01-2009, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

LOL. I enjoy plopping for the same exact reason!

I am curious to see what soaking after plopping will do. Sounds counter-intuitive; but this is ALL counter-intuitive!

LOL. It's true

ChrsLvsBks · 08-01-2009, 09:37 PM

While I think my hair is coarse with normal porosity and elasticity, I know it is dense. I did this method today.

I did an ayurvedic treatment before co-washing with Garnier Fructis Fortifying Cream Conditioner Hydra-Curls. My leave-in was HE Hello Hydration Moisturizing Conditioner. I applied AO B5 Design Gel and used denman in small sections. While in crown, I pulled denman from head. I went to sink and scrunched in water. I plopped for about 20 minutes. Results are below.

rudeechick · 08-02-2009, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrsLvsBks

While I think my hair is coarse with normal porosity and elasticity, I know it is dense. I did this method today.

I did an ayurvedic treatment before co-washing with Garnier Fructis Fortifying Cream Conditioner Hydra-Curls. My leave-in was HE Hello Hydration Moisturizing Conditioner. I applied AO B5 Design Gel and used denman in small sections. While in crown, I pulled denman from head. I went to sink and scrunched in water. I plopped for about 20 minutes. Results are below.

Was it intentional that you brushed after you gelled as opposed to before?

AcurlOr2 · 08-02-2009, 02:28 PM

I just found this post, I must have been sleeping! I can't wait to try this. I have a couple of questions, though.
1. Is diffusing important to it, would air-drying work as well, or does the extra water weigh the curl down for too long as it dries? I don't diffuse, and was thinking about giving it a try, anyway. RudeeChick, what kind of diffuser do you use?

2. Doesn't the super soak step rinse off the product? Why wouldn't it?

I can't wait to try this, I've always looked at rudeechick's and msgiblets pics and wanted my hair to turn out exactly like that.
I think you have gorgeous hair, both. I would give anything for my hair to behave like yours.
I think my hair spirals more on the ends, but clumps are still what I'm after.
thanks for posting this - I, too, can't wait for the video (silly as that sounds)!

rudeechick · 08-02-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by AcurlOr2

I just found this post, I must have been sleeping! I can't wait to try this. I have a couple of questions, though.
1. Is diffusing important to it, would air-drying work as well, or does the extra water weigh the curl down for too long as it dries? I don't diffuse, and was thinking about giving it a try, anyway. RudeeChick, what kind of diffuser do you use?

2. Doesn't the super soak step rinse off the product? Why wouldn't it?

I can't wait to try this, I've always looked at rudeechick's and msgiblets pics and wanted my hair to turn out exactly like that.
I think you have gorgeous hair, both. I would give anything for my hair to behave like yours.
I think my hair spirals more on the ends, but clumps are still what I'm after.
thanks for posting this - I, too, can't wait for the video (silly as that sounds)!

First of thank you for the double compliment of liking my hair and putting me in the same sentence as Msgiblet, whose hair I covet!!

I dont know how airdrying would go; I cant imagine it would be all that different, as by the time I come out of my plop I am no longer soaking wet. I, personally dont air dry as I have way too much hair (takes too long) and air drying increases my volume (which I dont want).

I use the companion diffuser to my T3 blower, btw. And, lastly, I havent had an issue resulting from any product that may be lost to the soaking. Can other users address this please?

ChrsLvsBks · 08-02-2009, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

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Originally Posted by ChrsLvsBks

While I think my hair is coarse with normal porosity and elasticity, I know it is dense. I did this method today.

I did an ayurvedic treatment before co-washing with Garnier Fructis Fortifying Cream Conditioner Hydra-Curls. My leave-in was HE Hello Hydration Moisturizing Conditioner. I applied AO B5 Design Gel and used denman in small sections. While in crown, I pulled denman from head. I went to sink and scrunched in water. I plopped for about 20 minutes. Results are below.

Was it intentional that you brushed after you gelled as opposed to before?

I could not remember all the steps involved while in the shower. I will try to brush before to see if I get a different result.

msgiblet · 08-03-2009, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

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Originally Posted by AcurlOr2

I just found this post, I must have been sleeping! I can't wait to try this. I have a couple of questions, though.
1. Is diffusing important to it, would air-drying work as well, or does the extra water weigh the curl down for too long as it dries? I don't diffuse, and was thinking about giving it a try, anyway. RudeeChick, what kind of diffuser do you use?

2. Doesn't the super soak step rinse off the product? Why wouldn't it?

I can't wait to try this, I've always looked at rudeechick's and msgiblets pics and wanted my hair to turn out exactly like that.
I think you have gorgeous hair, both. I would give anything for my hair to behave like yours.
I think my hair spirals more on the ends, but clumps are still what I'm after.
thanks for posting this - I, too, can't wait for the video (silly as that sounds)!

First of thank you for the double compliment of liking my hair and putting me in the same sentence as Msgiblet, whose hair I covet!!

I dont know how airdrying would go; I cant imagine it would be all that different, as by the time I come out of my plop I am no longer soaking wet. I, personally dont air dry as I have way too much hair (takes too long) and air drying increases my volume (which I dont want).

I use the companion diffuser to my T3 blower, btw. And, lastly, I havent had an issue resulting from any product that may be lost to the soaking. Can other users address this please?

WOW! What a high compliment and honor to be put in Rudee's company!

I would kill for curls like hers!

Diffusing is important for me no matter what method or products I'm using. My hair stays too flat to my head if I air dry, which I don't like because I'm different from Rudee in that I like a lot of volume and I don't get it with air drying. I'm also not as curly as Rudee so I need the diffuser to boost my curls a little bit. Anothe reason is my hair is also very thick so it would take hours to dry if I didn't diffuse.

I haven't found that I lose any products when my hair is soaking wet. I tend to be a little heavy handed, though, so that could be part of the reason. I find it distributes better and maybe there is some dilution involved - it really does clump better and helps soften up crunch from product. Since I like volume, the more I experiment with this method I'm finding that I'm happier with my hair when I don't soak it very much. The amount of water in my hair when I come right out of the shower seems to be the right amount for me. I still get a lot of clumping and spiraling, but not so much that it takes away from the volume. I've just been adding a little water to areas that I can see need it and so far this seems to be working the best for me.

I also use the T3 dryer with the companion diffuser.

melaniesusan · 08-03-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by AcurlOr2

I just found this post, I must have been sleeping! I can't wait to try this. I have a couple of questions, though.
1. Is diffusing important to it, would air-drying work as well, or does the extra water weigh the curl down for too long as it dries? I don't diffuse, and was thinking about giving it a try, anyway. RudeeChick, what kind of diffuser do you use?

2. Doesn't the super soak step rinse off the product? Why wouldn't it?

I can't wait to try this, I've always looked at rudeechick's and msgiblets pics and wanted my hair to turn out exactly like that.
I think you have gorgeous hair, both. I would give anything for my hair to behave like yours.
I think my hair spirals more on the ends, but clumps are still what I'm after.
thanks for posting this - I, too, can't wait for the video (silly as that sounds)!

I air dry with it. The first time I did it I plopped for 45 minutes and my BSL hair took a total of 4 hours to dry (including plop time). The second time, I used a little less water, plopped for 15 minutes, and my hair took a total of 3 hours to dry. But in both cases, the sides were dry enough to SOTC after 2 hours.

I agree with what msgiblet said about diffusing - you can get more volume with your hair if you diffuse than if you air dry. But I prefer less volume so I don't mind. I think my hair looks too messy when it's diffused - I get more definition with air drying. If I wanted a little more volume with the super soaker method, I would clip the top of my hair while it dried.

In answer to your other question, I use more base product with this method in case some goes down the drain.

rudeechick · 08-03-2009, 06:55 PM

Yet again, we curlies are like fingerprints - no two alike!

When I airdry I get WAY TOO MUCH volume! I have to diffuse to control the sheer mass of my hair!

thick_n_wavy · 08-03-2009, 07:43 PM

I'd like to know when you experienced super-soakers are applying your gel. Do you just apply it along with your base coats? Melaniesusan, I know you scrunch it in after plopping, but I prefer to rake it through for better distribution which breaks up my clumps. The one time I applied my gel right after super soaking I didn't get enough hold because my hair was just too wet when I applied the gel.
Thanks for your input

DEL2C · 08-04-2009, 08:06 AM

Ok I've got this to work

thick n wavy this may work for you since you don't have a strong curl pattern like rudee and plopping doesn't do anything for you. Plopping was pulling out my waves unless I used Honey which gives me SUPER hold. In the Winter I stopped plopping and when I use AF I don't need to plop cuz my hair dries so fast with it anyway.

When I did this successfully I used Afro Detangler and Komaza curl pudding as my "base" coats. I also got some clarification from Marsha about how much water she recommends when using SG so I used that as my guide because I think I was using too much water before. Will try this method with SG again and see how it plays....My hair can not withstand Denman or Brushing on a regular basis so I'm smoothing and scrunching instead. I also was noticing for me when I go to apply my Gel is when I lose the most clumping so I made modifications for that.

In the Shower I used my AD, went back under the shower for just a few seconds smoothed and scrunched. Got out of shower and put in Komaza pudding. At the sink put in a few small puddles of water scrunched in some more. Blotted well with CLU towel then topped with BRHG. Blotted a little more to get rid of drippies and clipped. I air dried most of the way then diffused just a little bit. What I liked about this was the volume reduction and that could be a combination of not plopping and adding a little water, not 100% certain yet but I'll be trying this again. I had plenty of volume on Day 2 more then Day 1

I didn't plop just clipped and air dried and didn't use my honey rinse so it's not as curly as it can get in the Summer. But I was testing out the Komaza in high dews and I was trying to be a good scientist

http://s615.photobucket.com/albums/t...rent=CJ024.jpg

WurlyLox · 08-04-2009, 08:30 AM

Beautamous, Del!

msgiblet · 08-04-2009, 08:39 AM

Oooooo pretty, Del!

DEL2C · 08-04-2009, 09:11 AM

awww thanks guys

I feel like such a goober posting pics....

but I always like to see a visual myself.

speaking of visual where's that video rudee?

oh and the reason I was rinsing just a smidge after the AD is because I'm not combing or brushing I felt like it helped to distribute better and adds more squish