Super-Soaker Method for Promoting Clumps -UPDATED/Video Link - Page 14

thick_n_wavy · 08-05-2009, 04:54 PM

Curls=Beauty: I don't think the Denman is crucial, any brush should give the same results, IMO.

I have a quick question...when you're brushing your hair does product come off on your brush? Because it does for me (at least when I'm using a cream that's WHITE as opposed to clear like the AFG). My hair is so wet when I brush it I get a bubbly, faintly-white liquid on my brush. Wonder if everyone gets this or am I using too much product?

redcelticcurls · 08-05-2009, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DEL2C

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

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Okay, no picture but I think like Jess that I'm gonna need to work with it a bit.

I knew I would make a ridiculous mess if I did it at the sink so I filled the bottom of the tub and re-scrunched in water till my wet clumps were thick instead of stringy. then got out and plopped my hair. after doing my face stuff took it out of the plop and scrunched in gel. I did the exact same thing Melaine did, but used BHRG instead of Abba.

I ended up with slightly smaller clumps than the ice queen method, but actually, I kinda like it. Instead of cutting down on my volume, it boosted it. I don't air dry, I have to diffuse. My hair is curlier, and I have better root volume. I bet that's because the combing gave me better product distribution. I think this has promise for me.

Also, for all of you who were wondering if you rinse out all the product -- I didn't feel like that happened at all. I could still feel lots of CCCC in my hair as I scrunched in the water. I'm going to try it next with CJ SG and see if I still feel the same way.

Thanks for sharing rudee.

And I have to say DEL, I love your pic. I mean, Rudee's hair is the bomb, but I know that my hair will never look like that lol. I should know better, because my hair will never look like DEL's either because my whole head = like 3 of her hair strands, but man its perfect. that's what I want when I think of wavy hair.

Let me go on record for the millionth time- Del is one of my hair IDOLS! WHat I wouldnt give for 2c hair

Oh man you guys are funny

I meant to say that like Jess I don't have more clumps but it helped with distribution and I think the waves are more uniform.

I'll try to be gracious and accept your complements and not go on about what a PITA these thick strands are!!! Here's an example though, after a day at the Lake or the Beach my little girls fine 2B/3A hair turns into a massive amt. of curls and spirals everywhere! Mine turns to POOF and FRIZZ I so can not live without product!

rudee I can't WAIT to see what Winter brings for you! Seriously, can you get any curlier

Thick strands are a good thing. They are far hardier than fine strands for the most part. Good Lord, I couldn't get away with 15 years of coloring so easily without them.

thick_n_wavy · 08-05-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by msgiblet

I haven't found that I lose any products when my hair is soaking wet. I tend to be a little heavy handed, though, so that could be part of the reason. I find it distributes better and maybe there is some dilution involved - it really does clump better and helps soften up crunch from product. Since I like volume, the more I experiment with this method I'm finding that I'm happier with my hair when I don't soak it very much. The amount of water in my hair when I come right out of the shower seems to be the right amount for me. I still get a lot of clumping and spiraling, but not so much that it takes away from the volume. I've just been adding a little water to areas that I can see need it and so far this seems to be working the best for me.

I heeded what MsGiblet said about right-out-of-the-shower hair being the perfect amount of wet. I apply my curl creme or gelly to right-out-of-the-shower hair, Denman through, and then plop. (I've been skipping the blot with CLU step). I have found that plopping with very wet hair produces the best result because when I take out the plop my hair still has squish. Then I can rake in my gel and re-scrunch without fear of frizz from my hair being partly dry in spots.

kellygreen49 · 08-05-2009, 11:06 PM

Okay, I HAD to try this. I'm still half sick and on my death bed (

), but I just couldn't help myself.

I did my usual routine as of late-
Applied GVP conditioning balm to my ends 30 minutes before I shower (a pre-condtioning treatment of sorts, I have split end problems), low poo'd with half GTTTT half Jessicurl Hair Cleansing Cream and conditioned with GTTTT. I applied one big handful of conditioner this time, I wasn't shy with it (and I have short hair).

Rinsed out, and then went about some other beauty rituals. My hair wasn't really "wet" when I got around to combing it- it was just starting to curl up. I figured I had missed my peak combing time (I try to do it when it's sopping wet, before I wring out my hair a bit) but I combed it anyways. I don't have the Denman brush, so I just combed my hair upside down using a wide tooth comb. Then I applied a pea sized amount of GVP conditioning balm, raked it through my hair. I tilted my head and wet down rudee super soaker style in ice cold water. (That sounds so dirty LOL)

(And I have to add... my hair/scalp even FELT better and softer as I was doing this. It was shouting- Thank you for giving me an ice cold rinse instead of the steaming hot bath you force us into! ...Yes, I'm a wuss and I can't handle rinsing in cold water. )

I found it sort of difficult to reach the back, but I sort of scooped some in my palm more and leaned down into the sink. By the way, little tip... don't leave a roll of toilet paper on the sink while you're doing the super soaker method. It WILL get wet. ...I think I am the only one who might've overlooked this. Lol.

Afterwards I scrunched some gel into my hair and scrunched with my usual t-shirt, I wondered if this was going to work at ALL. My curls felt really weird and loose. I thought I'd be with celticcurls and get some stringy curls. But I put faith into rudee and did not touch it what so ever until 90% dry. I had to sit down and watch T.V to keep myself occupied (*rolls eyes*.)

Anyways, results after SOTC:

I REALLY want to try this with my new AG Re:coil as a "base". Btw rudee, love the curlcream/leavein "base" term.
And another thing I'd like to see; someone trying this with a mousse instead of a gel. Many keep mentioning that this is perfect for clumping but not for volume... maybe a mousse would supply the volume aspect......

???

Oh, and for curlies that have trouble with getting their hair all sproingy: I can tell that wetting it from bottom up as rudee has mentioned helps greatly. I could see my hair getting really flat if I went from top to bottom. I also didn't totally soak the top, only made it damp in comparison to the dripping wet length. I'm thinking my top turned out flat because a.) I should've worked against my natural hair a bit more with the comb, b.) I didn't scrub hard enough with my low poo at my crown, feels sort of waxy and c.) i accidentally focused the GVP balm at the roots instead of the ends

coolshot · 08-05-2009, 11:55 PM

kellygreen49 you have beautifull hair i will definatly have to try this method for better clumping .

msgiblet · 08-06-2009, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by kellygreen49

Okay, I HAD to try this. I'm still half sick and on my death bed (

), but I just couldn't help myself.

I did my usual routine as of late-
Applied GVP conditioning balm to my ends 30 minutes before I shower (a pre-condtioning treatment of sorts, I have split end problems), low poo'd with half GTTTT half Jessicurl Hair Cleansing Cream and conditioned with GTTTT. I applied one big handful of conditioner this time, I wasn't shy with it (and I have short hair).

Rinsed out, and then went about some other beauty rituals. My hair wasn't really "wet" when I got around to combing it- it was just starting to curl up. I figured I had missed my peak combing time (I try to do it when it's sopping wet, before I wring out my hair a bit) but I combed it anyways. I don't have the Denman brush, so I just combed my hair upside down using a wide tooth comb. Then I applied a pea sized amount of GVP conditioning balm, raked it through my hair. I tilted my head and wet down rudee super soaker style in ice cold water. (That sounds so dirty LOL)

(And I have to add... my hair/scalp even FELT better and softer as I was doing this. It was shouting- Thank you for giving me an ice cold rinse instead of the steaming hot bath you force us into! ...Yes, I'm a wuss and I can't handle rinsing in cold water. )

I found it sort of difficult to reach the back, but I sort of scooped some in my palm more and leaned down into the sink. By the way, little tip... don't leave a roll of toilet paper on the sink while you're doing the super soaker method. It WILL get wet. ...I think I am the only one who might've overlooked this. Lol.

Afterwards I scrunched some gel into my hair and scrunched with my usual t-shirt, I wondered if this was going to work at ALL. My curls felt really weird and loose. I thought I'd be with celticcurls and get some stringy curls. But I put faith into rudee and did not touch it what so ever until 90% dry. I had to sit down and watch T.V to keep myself occupied (*rolls eyes*.)

Anyways, results after SOTC:

I REALLY want to try this with my new AG Re:coil as a "base". Btw rudee, love the curlcream/leavein "base" term.
And another thing I'd like to see; someone trying this with a mousse instead of a gel. Many keep mentioning that this is perfect for clumping but not for volume... maybe a mousse would supply the volume aspect......

???

Oh, and for curlies that have trouble with getting their hair all sproingy: I can tell that wetting it from bottom up as rudee has mentioned helps greatly. I could see my hair getting really flat if I went from top to bottom. I also didn't totally soak the top, only made it damp in comparison to the dripping wet length. I'm thinking my top turned out flat because a.) I should've worked against my natural hair a bit more with the comb, b.) I didn't scrub hard enough with my low poo at my crown, feels sort of waxy and c.) i accidentally focused the GVP balm at the roots instead of the ends

LOVE your spirally curls!

rudeechick · 08-06-2009, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by thick_n_wavy

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Originally Posted by msgiblet

I haven't found that I lose any products when my hair is soaking wet. I tend to be a little heavy handed, though, so that could be part of the reason. I find it distributes better and maybe there is some dilution involved - it really does clump better and helps soften up crunch from product. Since I like volume, the more I experiment with this method I'm finding that I'm happier with my hair when I don't soak it very much. The amount of water in my hair when I come right out of the shower seems to be the right amount for me. I still get a lot of clumping and spiraling, but not so much that it takes away from the volume. I've just been adding a little water to areas that I can see need it and so far this seems to be working the best for me.

I heeded what MsGiblet said about right-out-of-the-shower hair being the perfect amount of wet. I apply my curl creme or gelly to right-out-of-the-shower hair, Denman through, and then plop. (I've been skipping the blot with CLU step). I have found that plopping with very wet hair produces the best result because when I take out the plop my hair still has squish. Then I can rake in my gel and re-scrunch without fear of frizz from my hair being partly dry in spots.

This I cannot take credit for; I think its pretty basic CG to scrunch product into sopping hair, then go straight into a plop at least to my knowledge.
But I'm glad its working for you!!

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Originally Posted by kellygreen49

Okay, I HAD to try this. I'm still half sick and on my death bed (

), but I just couldn't help myself.

I did my usual routine as of late-
Applied GVP conditioning balm to my ends 30 minutes before I shower (a pre-condtioning treatment of sorts, I have split end problems), low poo'd with half GTTTT half Jessicurl Hair Cleansing Cream and conditioned with GTTTT. I applied one big handful of conditioner this time, I wasn't shy with it (and I have short hair).

Rinsed out, and then went about some other beauty rituals. My hair wasn't really "wet" when I got around to combing it- it was just starting to curl up. I figured I had missed my peak combing time (I try to do it when it's sopping wet, before I wring out my hair a bit) but I combed it anyways. I don't have the Denman brush, so I just combed my hair upside down using a wide tooth comb. Then I applied a pea sized amount of GVP conditioning balm, raked it through my hair. I tilted my head and wet down rudee super soaker style in ice cold water. (That sounds so dirty LOL)

(And I have to add... my hair/scalp even FELT better and softer as I was doing this. It was shouting- Thank you for giving me an ice cold rinse instead of the steaming hot bath you force us into! ...Yes, I'm a wuss and I can't handle rinsing in cold water. )

I found it sort of difficult to reach the back, but I sort of scooped some in my palm more and leaned down into the sink. By the way, little tip... don't leave a roll of toilet paper on the sink while you're doing the super soaker method. It WILL get wet. ...I think I am the only one who might've overlooked this. Lol.

Afterwards I scrunched some gel into my hair and scrunched with my usual t-shirt, I wondered if this was going to work at ALL. My curls felt really weird and loose. I thought I'd be with celticcurls and get some stringy curls. But I put faith into rudee and did not touch it what so ever until 90% dry. I had to sit down and watch T.V to keep myself occupied (*rolls eyes*.)

Anyways, results after SOTC:

I REALLY want to try this with my new AG Re:coil as a "base". Btw rudee, love the curlcream/leavein "base" term.
And another thing I'd like to see; someone trying this with a mousse instead of a gel. Many keep mentioning that this is perfect for clumping but not for volume... maybe a mousse would supply the volume aspect......

???

Oh, and for curlies that have trouble with getting their hair all sproingy: I can tell that wetting it from bottom up as rudee has mentioned helps greatly. I could see my hair getting really flat if I went from top to bottom. I also didn't totally soak the top, only made it damp in comparison to the dripping wet length. I'm thinking my top turned out flat because a.) I should've worked against my natural hair a bit more with the comb, b.) I didn't scrub hard enough with my low poo at my crown, feels sort of waxy and c.) i accidentally focused the GVP balm at the roots instead of the ends

GORGEOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Curls=Beauty · 08-06-2009, 08:14 AM

So last night I did a water wash and detangled my hair. I used a honey rinse for my basecoat and used a fine tooth comb. After I scrunched in palmfuls of water I then used mousse (cause I am officially out of gel) and plopped trying a new way that someone else probably already invented and I just haven't heard of it yet.

I love the clumps! No pictures because I forgot to comb it away from my head and loosen my roots, so it is stuck to my head, and the mousse gave me way to much volume everywhere but my roots and made my hair a little to soft.
Other than my error I love it!

xcptnl · 08-06-2009, 12:51 PM

For the ones wondering about mousse. I have used it the past 2 days with great results...but I love and need volume. Today I actually got freaking root curl!! I pulled my Hask Pure Shine mousse from the back of the cupboard - scrunched that in, then used the Hask Spray it Curly gel/liquidy stuff sprayed into my hands mixed with a dime sized amount of BHRG (those two played really well together) give it a bit more hold. Very very nice curly hair day.

I really like the hask mousse-not drying at all and it does seem to give me more defined curls along with the spray.

WurlyLox · 08-06-2009, 02:09 PM

Yeah, I Super Soakered today and used the Got2B mousse that's been so popular lately topped with a little ArcAngell for hold and it did really well.

I like the Hask mousse, too. It does have amodimethicone, for those who are CG - or at least the old can I have does.

shelbymustang · 08-06-2009, 03:34 PM

So I've been a NC slacker and haven't been on for a few weeks (enjoying summer while I can). Anyways while driving home today I was looking at my hair after my protein treatment and it looked stringy and not clumpy even with KCCC. Anyways, the first thing I did was come here and type clumps into the search. Glad I stumbled upon this thread and am about to give the super soaker method a try. Don't have a denham though, is a wide tooth comb okay? I'm sure that's in there somewhere but that's 14 pages to read...hah!

melaniesusan · 08-06-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shelbymustang

...Don't have a denham though, is a wide tooth comb okay? I'm sure that's in there somewhere but that's 14 pages to read...hah!

I use a wide-tooth comb and get sufficient product distribution; however, I don't know whether I would get more height on the crown if I used a denman or fine-tooth comb.

xcptnl · 08-06-2009, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by auntnett

Yeah, I Super Soakered today and used the Got2B mousse that's been so popular lately topped with a little ArcAngell for hold and it did really well.

I like the Hask mousse, too. It does have amodimethicone, for those who are CG - or at least the old can I have does.

Thanks for posting that-I sometimes forget to point out if a product is fully CG or not since I lowpoo.

rudeechick · 08-07-2009, 05:25 AM

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Originally Posted by melaniesusan

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Originally Posted by shelbymustang

...Don't have a denham though, is a wide tooth comb okay? I'm sure that's in there somewhere but that's 14 pages to read...hah!

I use a wide-tooth comb and get sufficient product distribution; however, I don't know whether I would get more height on the crown if I used a denman or fine-tooth comb.

Trust me, the diff between wide tooth and fine tooth is significant.

rudeechick · 08-07-2009, 05:39 AM

Okay ladies, first off, my son and I are making the video this weekend; it should be up by Monday. For the sake of not mortifying my 13 year old son, I will NOT be doing the method straight out of the shower, but after rinsing my hair over the tub

Other than that, I will follow the protocol as outlined in the OP.

I do have some updated findings based on my own trials. I will outline them here as well as add them to the OP.

I find that the base coat I use affects my success. (Please remember that I have ALOT of hair and can afford to uber-clump; this might overly clump those looking for volume.)

The best base coats for me are those that provide light emollience. I have tried NO basecoat, I have tried heavy (ie butters), I have tried my gel as a base coat. While my hair WILL initially clump upon soaking with those, these clumps break up by or before drying, resulting in frizz of stringy/broken up curls. My greatest success has come with basecoats that are creamy yet light (think CJSG or CJCCC).

For those who find their hair gets so wet that it increases drying time: I have played with a double plop with great success. I saturated my hair excessively (after CJCCC) and then went into a plop without scrunching in gel (thereby not squeezing out a DOT of water). I plopped for 5 minutes then came out, got a dry Curlease and went into a plop again. Plopped for another 5 then came out; my hair was no worse for the wear and much drier. My next trial will be applying a gel between plops.

Hope this helps; see you in the vid!

Rudee

DEL2C · 08-07-2009, 07:34 AM

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For the sake of not mortifying my 13 year old son, I will NOT be doing the method straight out of the shower, but after rinsing my hair over the tub Other than that, I will follow the protocol as outlined in the OP.

I'm glad you've played some more rudee and updated your protocol. I had a feeling the type of base coat had a lot to do with the success. My light gel products in the Summer can't take all that extra water. Maybe in the Winter when I switch to some creamier LI's this will work to give me clumping. I did try this with SG but I just don't like SG as much as AF for my hair. The hold is much lighter.

Looking forward to the video!

WurlyLox · 08-07-2009, 08:03 AM

Although previous tries had CJCCC as my base coat, yesterday I only used FOTE AVG under the mousse, and it still worked well.

shelbymustang · 08-07-2009, 08:10 AM

I'm glad that you will be putting up a video, I tried this last night with no success. Although, I did do it late at night and had to plop it bed when I woke up to SOTC it was stringy and not clumpy at all. I do not know what is going on with my hair lately, grr Florida summers! I'm going to give it another shot today and hopefully the double plop will help as well as experimenting with a different base coat. Bummer, here's to next time!

msgiblet · 08-07-2009, 08:51 AM

Can't wait for the video!! I've been working on a modified method of this that has been working pretty well for me giving me both clumps and volume, but I think seeing your video will really help a lot since I'm a visual person!

rudeechick · 08-08-2009, 08:56 AM

My son, "THE DIRECTOR", is taking test shots today

He plans "The Shoot" for tomorrow.

I'm surprised he isnt making me audition.