Super-Soaker Method for Promoting Clumps -UPDATED/Video Link - Page 7

redcelticcurls · 07-27-2009, 09:08 PM

Love the new avatar, O Queen of the Fat Curls!

rudeechick · 07-28-2009, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by StruttsWife

All right, my beloved hair twin, I am trying this tomorrow morning. If it doesn't work, you owe me a drink when we finally meet face to face

Please, I can not live up to the comparison! Drinks on ME!

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Originally Posted by Lil'curls

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

My clumps. I finally learned how to do a friggin thumbnail.

Absolutely beautiful. I tried this and it worked really well for me, thanks for sharing with us.

I LOVE finding something that works!! Pics pleeeeze!!

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Originally Posted by redcelticcurls

Love the new avatar, O Queen of the Fat Curls!

Oh RCC... as I have taught my sons on many MANY occassions: Never, EVER use the word "fat" to a woman

Unless refering to your bank account!

Thank you WavyCurly and all of you for the lovely comments

whatsercurl · 07-28-2009, 06:09 AM

Gorgeous rudee.

Believe it or not, me, hater of my clumps decided to give this a go today.

I think I'm going to have to wait for the video to see how you do the top of your hair. I brushed out but I have a feeling I didn't translate words to actions very well. My top was SO flat I had to clip - I never clip.

The rest looks pretty good though.

rudeechick · 07-28-2009, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by whatsercurl

Gorgeous rudee.

Believe it or not, me, hater of my clumps decided to give this a go today.

I think I'm going to have to wait for the video to see how you do the top of your hair. I brushed out but I have a feeling I didn't translate words to actions very well. My top was SO flat I had to clip - I never clip.

The rest looks pretty good though.

ARG

re the flat top.

We are working on the vid this week. DS takes filmmaking a tad seriosuly, so its getting kinda
involved

Pics please WHC

xcptnl · 07-28-2009, 10:12 AM

I am still working on this routine and I almost had a picture day but not quite.

I did this out of the shower today...but did not get enough product on the back and sorta top. A bit frizzy/fuzzy where I missed spots. I have nice curls/clumpage and root volume (that could be due to using Paul Brown goo as well). But a good part today.

This will be a work in progress for me I am guessing.

redcelticcurls · 07-28-2009, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

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Originally Posted by StruttsWife

All right, my beloved hair twin, I am trying this tomorrow morning. If it doesn't work, you owe me a drink when we finally meet face to face

Please, I can not live up to the comparison! Drinks on ME!

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Originally Posted by Lil'curls

Absolutely beautiful. I tried this and it worked really well for me, thanks for sharing with us.

I LOVE finding something that works!! Pics pleeeeze!!

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Originally Posted by redcelticcurls

Love the new avatar, O Queen of the Fat Curls!

Oh RCC... as I have taught my sons on many MANY occassions: Never, EVER use the word "fat" to a woman

Unless refering to your bank account!

Thank you WavyCurly and all of you for the lovely comments

Well, what else are clumps, but fatter curls?

It's nice to have one more "OK" fat thing!

Lil'curls · 07-28-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

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Originally Posted by Lil'curls

Absolutely beautiful. I tried this and it worked really well for me, thanks for sharing with us.

I LOVE finding something that works!! Pics pleeeeze!!

I'm doing a modified version, because I don't have a denman brush. So i've just been finger combing and then doing the water scrunching.

whatsercurl · 07-28-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

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Originally Posted by whatsercurl

Gorgeous rudee.

Believe it or not, me, hater of my clumps decided to give this a go today.

I think I'm going to have to wait for the video to see how you do the top of your hair. I brushed out but I have a feeling I didn't translate words to actions very well. My top was SO flat I had to clip - I never clip.

The rest looks pretty good though.

ARG

re the flat top.

We are working on the vid this week. DS takes filmmaking a tad seriosuly, so its getting kinda
involved

Pics please WHC

These are after clipping. And I used way too much product - wasn't thinking when I put my AFG in and used almost double what I normally do and I probably shouldn't have brushed it through.

Front

Back

rudeechick · 07-28-2009, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xcptnl

I am still working on this routine and I almost had a picture day but not quite.

I did this out of the shower today...but did not get enough product on the back and sorta top. A bit frizzy/fuzzy where I missed spots. I have nice curls/clumpage and root volume (that could be due to using Paul Brown goo as well). But a good part today.

This will be a work in progress for me I am guessing.

Yay!

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Originally Posted by Lil'curls

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

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Originally Posted by Lil'curls

Absolutely beautiful. I tried this and it worked really well for me, thanks for sharing with us.

I LOVE finding something that works!! Pics pleeeeze!!

I'm doing a modified version, because I don't have a denman brush. So i've just been finger combing and then doing the water scrunching.

Honestly, the brush is crucial!!

wookiemouse · 07-28-2009, 03:19 PM

I am DYING to try this, my hair type is very close to yours, but I'm concerned about the Denman. I used to have bad split ends and only recently was able to conquer them and I've heard a lot about the Denman and split ends. How long have you been using it, and what's your verdict on splittage?

Stacy

rudeechick · 07-28-2009, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by wookiemouse

I am DYING to try this, my hair type is very close to yours, but I'm concerned about the Denman. I used to have bad split ends and only recently was able to conquer them and I've heard a lot about the Denman and split ends. How long have you been using it, and what's your verdict on splittage?

Stacy

Well heres the scoop: While my hair is VERY DENSE my hair is not particularly prone to tangles; it is medium in texture and porosity and "takes" rinse out condish very well. So honestly, by the time I am brushing it is smooth already; not ot mention that is generally has a base coat raked thru which helps.

My hair is healthy and I dont personally experience breakage from the brush.

melaniesusan · 07-28-2009, 04:37 PM

Rudee, you're a genius!

I tried your new method today (with some modifications) and really liked it. The details:

Modifications:
1. I used a wide-tooth comb rather than a Denman. I don't own a Denman, but my it might not be as necessary for my hair as it is for yours. My hair used to be very, very thick, until I started going to a Deva-trained stylist who cut most of the bulk out of it. Now it's much easier to distribute product, and a wide-tooth comb does the job.

2. I plopped for a good 45 minutes after applying water, and then scrunched in gel after that.

3. I used CJ CCCC as my "base coat" and Abba as my gel. (I also scrunched in a little CJ AF once hair was dry).

Advantages:
1. Excellent clumping - the best I've had yet.

2. Less crunch but the same--if not more--hold. Usually (as Del2C reports), more crunch = more hold. That's why I always apply gel after plopping; my hair is less wet, so the shape is already formed and gel just freezes it in place. As long as I can SOTC afterward, I don't mind if it starts out crunchy.

This time, perhaps because my hair was substantially more wet when I applied the gel, I had less crunch. But ironically, this didn't lessen the hold one iota. Or if it did, I didn't notice because I had stronger curl formation than normal. I still had to SOTC, but there was less crunch to scrunch out and my hair feels even softer than normal.

Disadvantages:
1. Increased drying time. I plopped longer than usual (45 min instead of 25-30), and my hair was still substantially more wet afterwards. This isn't a big deal for summer weather, but it would make this method less attractive in the winter (since I almost always air dry rather than diffuse).

2. Hair is a little bit flatter on top than normal. I don't usually clip my hair, but might need to with this method. (I'm scared of trying backcombing - reminds me of the 80s!) Perhaps the added weight of the water pulls my hair down a bit while it's drying, even though I have it tied up in a curl ease towel at the beginning.

So I don't know if this will be a year-round method, but for now, I'm sold on it! Thanks, Rudee!

rudeechick · 07-28-2009, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by melaniesusan

Rudee, you're a genius!

I tried your new method today (with some modifications) and really liked it. The details:

Modifications:
1. I used a wide-tooth comb rather than a Denman. I don't own a Denman, but my it might not be as necessary for my hair as it is for yours. My hair used to be very, very thick, until I started going to a Deva-trained stylist who cut most of the bulk out of it. Now it's much easier to distribute product, and a wide-tooth comb does the job.

2. I plopped for a good 45 minutes after applying water, and then scrunched in gel after that.

3. I used CJ CCCC as my "base coat" and Abba as my gel. (I also scrunched in a little CJ AF once hair was dry).

Advantages:
1. Excellent clumping - the best I've had yet.

2. Less crunch but the same--if not more--hold. Usually (as Del2C reports), more crunch = more hold. That's why I always apply gel after plopping; my hair is less wet, so the shape is already formed and gel just freezes it in place. As long as I can SOTC afterward, I don't mind if it starts out crunchy.

This time, perhaps because my hair was substantially more wet when I applied the gel, I had less crunch. But ironically, this didn't lessen the hold one iota. Or if it did, I didn't notice because I had stronger curl formation than normal. I still had to SOTC, but there was less crunch to scrunch out and my hair feels even softer than normal.

Disadvantages:
1. Increased drying time. I plopped longer than usual (45 min instead of 25-30), and my hair was still substantially more wet afterwards. This isn't a big deal for summer weather, but it would make this method less attractive in the winter (since I almost always air dry rather than diffuse).

2. Hair is a little bit flatter on top than normal. I don't usually clip my hair, but might need to with this method. (I'm scared of trying backcombing - reminds me of the 80s!) Perhaps the added weight of the water pulls my hair down a bit while it's drying, even though I have it tied up in a curl ease towel at the beginning.

So I don't know if this will be a year-round method, but for now, I'm sold on it! Thanks, Rudee!

Ya, I've been thinking about how chilly I'm gonna be doing this in the winter <drip drip>

Lil'curls · 07-28-2009, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

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Originally Posted by xcptnl

I am still working on this routine and I almost had a picture day but not quite.

I did this out of the shower today...but did not get enough product on the back and sorta top. A bit frizzy/fuzzy where I missed spots. I have nice curls/clumpage and root volume (that could be due to using Paul Brown goo as well). But a good part today.

This will be a work in progress for me I am guessing.

Yay!

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Originally Posted by Lil'curls

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Originally Posted by rudeechick

I LOVE finding something that works!! Pics pleeeeze!!

I'm doing a modified version, because I don't have a denman brush. So i've just been finger combing and then doing the water scrunching.

Honestly, the brush is crucial!!

Which brush do you use? I looked on their website and could not figure out which would be best to use. Thanks.

ewenique · 07-28-2009, 05:50 PM

So Rudee, are you doing all the brushing upside down, or right side up? Then rewet and scrunch in gel? Love your pics, BTW - just gorgeous!

rudeechick · 07-28-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ewenique

So Rudee, are you doing all the brushing upside down, or right side up? Then rewet and scrunch in gel? Love your pics, BTW - just gorgeous!

Thank you so much!

I never go upsdie down, I have WAY too much volume for that. I suppose you could, if thats your preference.

I brush right side up (after my base coat), then soak, then scrunch in gel.

thick_n_wavy · 07-28-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by melaniesusan

2. I plopped for a good 45 minutes after applying water, and then scrunched in gel after that.

This time, perhaps because my hair was substantially more wet when I applied the gel, I had less crunch.

Disadvantages:
1. Increased drying time. I plopped longer than usual (45 min instead of 25-30), and my hair was still substantially more wet afterwards.

2. Hair is a little bit flatter on top than normal. I don't usually clip my hair, but might need to with this method. (I'm scared of trying backcombing - reminds me of the 80s!) Perhaps the added weight of the water pulls my hair down a bit while it's drying, even though I have it tied up in a curl ease towel at the beginning.

Hi Melaniesusan,

Thanks for your detailed post, as usual! I'm curious how long it took your hair to dry with this method? I'm also curious about your usual drying time, since you don't diffuse.

I tried out your base coats + plop + gel afterwards technique tonight actually. But I used my CLU cloth to get some of the excess water out before I plopped (in a flour sack towel). After an hour and a half of plopping my hair was still quite wet, so I diffused.

How do you get away with such thick hair and air drying, in addition to not scrunching out excess water before plopping?

rudeechick · 07-29-2009, 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by thick_n_wavy

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Originally Posted by melaniesusan

2. I plopped for a good 45 minutes after applying water, and then scrunched in gel after that.

This time, perhaps because my hair was substantially more wet when I applied the gel, I had less crunch.

Disadvantages:
1. Increased drying time. I plopped longer than usual (45 min instead of 25-30), and my hair was still substantially more wet afterwards.

2. Hair is a little bit flatter on top than normal. I don't usually clip my hair, but might need to with this method. (I'm scared of trying backcombing - reminds me of the 80s!) Perhaps the added weight of the water pulls my hair down a bit while it's drying, even though I have it tied up in a curl ease towel at the beginning.

Hi Melaniesusan,

Thanks for your detailed post, as usual! I'm curious how long it took your hair to dry with this method? I'm also curious about your usual drying time, since you don't diffuse.

I tried out your base coats + plop + gel afterwards technique tonight actually. But I used my CLU cloth to get some of the excess water out before I plopped (in a flour sack towel). After an hour and a half of plopping my hair was still quite wet, so I diffused.

How do you get away with such thick hair and air drying, in addition to not scrunching out excess water before plopping?

I'm perplexed as to why you girls are having such a difficult time drying with this method. I have SO MUCH DARN hair on my head and my drying time ultimately remains the same.....

And melanie, I'm just curious: Why do you plop, then gel as opposed to soak, gel, plop?

melaniesusan · 07-29-2009, 05:46 AM

Thick-n-wavy: The reason I can air dry is because my Deva- trained stylist cut most of the bulk out of my hair; it is now somewhat "thin" compared to its previous incarnation of being super-thick. So that helps with drying time.

Also, normally (when not using Rudee's method), I squeeze excess water out of my hair, apply creams, and just rake a small amount of water through before plopping (for 25 minutes or so). After I remove the towel, my hair is damp but not soaking wet. When I apply gel at that point, I get lots of crunch, and when I SOTC, I have really good hold. If I wait too long before I apply gel, it doesn't work, but in general as lon as my hair is throughly damp, it still works. In summer my hair is mostly dry about 1 1/2 hours later, and since it's hot out I don't mind that its wet. In winter, I put on a scarf, earmuffs and the hood of my coat while I'm outside (to keep my hair from freezing) and then let it air dry at room temp in my office.

With Rudee's method, by contrast, my hair took longer to dry (not sure how long), but also it was still very wet when I finished plopping. I could never walk outside with hair this wet in the wintertime, even if I was willing to take the extra time to air dry.

Del2C: With Rudee's method, I did soak + plop + gel because I prefer applying gel last - it gives me more hold. When I first started plopping I tried applying gel first but it just came off on the towel. Since I only scrunch in a little bit on the ends, I can apply it later to freeze in place the end result of curl creme + plopping.

rudeechick · 07-29-2009, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by melaniesusan

Thick-n-wavy: The reason I can air dry is because my Deva- trained stylist cut most of the bulk out of my hair; it is now somewhat "thin" compared to its previous incarnation of being super-thick. So that helps with drying time.

Also, normally (when not using Rudee's method), I squeeze excess water out of my hair, apply creams, and just rake a small amount of water through before plopping (for 25 minutes or so). After I remove the towel, my hair is damp but not soaking wet. When I apply gel at that point, I get lots of crunch, and when I SOTC, I have really good hold. If I wait too long before I apply gel, it doesn't work, but in general as lon as my hair is throughly damp, it still works. In summer my hair is mostly dry about 1 1/2 hours later, and since it's hot out I don't mind that its wet. In winter, I put on a scarf, earmuffs and the hood of my coat while I'm outside (to keep my hair from freezing) and then let it air dry at room temp in my office.

With Rudee's method, by contrast, my hair took longer to dry (not sure how long), but also it was still very wet when I finished plopping. I could never walk outside with hair this wet in the wintertime, even if I was willing to take the extra time to air dry.

Del2C: With Rudee's method, I did soak + plop + gel because I prefer applying gel last - it gives me more hold. When I first started plopping I tried applying gel first but it just came off on the towel. Since I only scrunch in a little bit on the ends, I can apply it later to freeze in place the end result of curl creme + plopping.

OMG. This is a DEFINING MOMENT in my hair career!!!!!!!!!!!

You referred to me as Del2C in your response!!!!!!!!! She has my envy-hair!