Super-Soaker Method for Promoting Clumps -UPDATED/Video Link

Like Tree23Likes

I have a question about the routine, I tried it last night, when you use your denman to distribute your base coats (I used CJ CCCC and AFG) don't you feel like you're straightening your hair by doing that? So i guess you just scrunch the curls afterwards with a gel? TIA!
Hair Type: 3a with 3b tendencies, medium texture and normal porosity
Shampoo: Giovanni Tea Tree Triple Treat and CJDF
Conditioner/Leave-in: Giovanni 50:50, and Suave Naturals (Just not the Coconut), CALI
Stylers: CJ CCCC, AFG, HESMU
Fotki: http://public.fotki.com/Elphie2983/
OMG. This is a DEFINING MOMENT in my hair career!!!!!!!!!!!You referred to me as Del2C in your response!!!!!!!!! She has my envy-hair!
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Rudee, you're right! I can't believe I did that! I guess you and Del are morphing into one person in my mind.
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
I have a question about the routine, I tried it last night, when you use your denman to distribute your base coats (I used CJ CCCC and AFG) don't you feel like you're straightening your hair by doing that? So i guess you just scrunch the curls afterwards with a gel? TIA!
Originally Posted by Elphie2983
Well, last summer when the whole denman craze began I felt the same way - it is clearly counter intuitive to brush hair to get curls. But for some reason is does help with clumping. My theory was (and is) that it creates a sheet of hair that then separates more easily into clumps when encouraged.

I would imagine in some people this will pull out their curls detrimentally; my hair is so curly that they just come back when encouraged.

To be clear, this method is more about clumping than curling. Perhaps some other curlies with more curl challenged hair can chime in?
Curls,Coils,Waves & WhatKnot
3miii/My HGs tame bulk&frizz/Give definition w/o crunch
My Photobucket Album
OMG. This is a DEFINING MOMENT in my hair career!!!!!!!!!!!You referred to me as Del2C in your response!!!!!!!!! She has my envy-hair!
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Rudee, you're right! I can't believe I did that! I guess you and Del are morphing into one person in my mind.
Originally Posted by melaniesusan
I CANNOT tell you what a compliment that is to me! Del, however, might not feel the same way

You shoulda been here LAST summer when we first "met" here and were practically finishing each other sentences!!!
Curls,Coils,Waves & WhatKnot
3miii/My HGs tame bulk&frizz/Give definition w/o crunch
My Photobucket Album
I will chime in on the "curl pulling out" issue.

I think the Denman is lengthening my curls. But with the even product distribution, I am getting more consistent curls, and with the additional water, I am getting nice, soft clumps.

I think the method is also diminishing the root curl I get with the "icequeen" method. This could also be the "lengthening" effect pulling out the root curl, but I am not directly brushing the roots, and trying as much as possible to do things upside down.

In all, I am having great hair with this method, and also awesome 2nd 2.5 day hair (with refreshing w/ CJSG and more water). The lengthening of the curls could become a problem when we don't have 90% humidity here to make up for it, but we'll see!
CG since 3/31/09... going curly is honoring God's creation!
2c /3a/3b, med. porosity, LOTS of fine hair
low-poo: Giovanni TTT, Whispering Windz
conditioners: suave / Vo5 naturals, Giovanni 50/50, GVPCB
DT: Korres hair mask
stylers: LASG, KY, Pink Boots!
Wishlist for winter: CJ, KBB and a diffuser
I will chime in on the "curl pulling out" issue.

I think the Denman is lengthening my curls. But with the even product distribution, I am getting more consistent curls, and with the additional water, I am getting nice, soft clumps.

I think the method is also diminishing the root curl I get with the "icequeen" method. This could also be the "lengthening" effect pulling out the root curl, but I am not directly brushing the roots, and trying as much as possible to do things upside down.

In all, I am having great hair with this method, and also awesome 2nd 2.5 day hair (with refreshing w/ CJSG and more water). The lengthening of the curls could become a problem when we don't have 90% humidity here to make up for it, but we'll see!
Originally Posted by lasarita
I'm thrilled its working for you.

As for Fall/Winter hair? Lets cross that bridge when we come to it My hair always craps out when the seasons transitions anyway!
Curls,Coils,Waves & WhatKnot
3miii/My HGs tame bulk&frizz/Give definition w/o crunch
My Photobucket Album
I have a question about the routine, I tried it last night, when you use your denman to distribute your base coats (I used CJ CCCC and AFG) don't you feel like you're straightening your hair by doing that? So i guess you just scrunch the curls afterwards with a gel? TIA!
Originally Posted by Elphie2983
Well, last summer when the whole denman craze began I felt the same way - it is clearly counter intuitive to brush hair to get curls. But for some reason is does help with clumping. My theory was (and is) that it creates a sheet of hair that then separates more easily into clumps when encouraged.

I would imagine in some people this will pull out their curls detrimentally; my hair is so curly that they just come back when encouraged.

To be clear, this method is more about clumping than curling. Perhaps some other curlies with more curl challenged hair can chime in?
Originally Posted by rudeechick
My hair isn't as curly as Rudee's, but I seem to get more curl + clumping when I use the Denman. It gives me excellent product distribution, plus if enough water is in the hair, I guess I don't see how you would lose any curl, especially since you're adding water AFTER brushing with this method and then scrunching. I can understand losing curl if your hair is partially dry/just damp when the brushing is done because then it would be hard to boost the curl, especially in a weak curl pattern.
http://public.fotki.com/msgiblet/ - pw: gibber -- Pics Added 7/10/11
Fine, Thick, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity

Countess Balashi of Divi Beach in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

If I'm Going To Have A Bad Hair Day, It Might As Well Be In Aruba!

OMG. This is a DEFINING MOMENT in my hair career!!!!!!!!!!!You referred to me as Del2C in your response!!!!!!!!! She has my envy-hair!
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Rudee, you're right! I can't believe I did that! I guess you and Del are morphing into one person in my mind.
Originally Posted by melaniesusan
I CANNOT tell you what a compliment that is to me! Del, however, might not feel the same way

You shoulda been here LAST summer when we first "met" here and were practically finishing each other sentences!!!
Originally Posted by rudeechick
melanie to have you confuse me with rudee is like WOW, just WOW.

Look at her avie I just want to kill you rudee!! Gimme that hair

I've tried this method several times, have even PM'd rudee to figure out why it won't work for me. My conclusion (at least until the WORLD premiere video comes out) is 1. my hair can't take brushing because of the weaker curl pattern 2. my hair can't take all that extra water, it seems to pull down my waves. I tried not brushing and just scrunching but results are the same. I think because my hair is so thick and coarse I need as much product to stay in my hair as possible and the extra water is literally washing away my hold.

Sigh.............
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
Ok..better today. I did it all at the sink. I am still getting some fuzzy/frizzy but the dewpoint is in the high 60s as well. For me - these are bigger clumps than I normally get and curlier (in comparison to Rudee's they are small)

Ignore the 'I am taking a photo of myself' smile. And you can all see how the front can be so thin looking in the first photo. I 'fixed' it a bit in the 2nd front photo. I wish I could take photos like the rest of you and look like I just walked out of a magazine shoot!!
Attached Thumbnails
Super-Soaker Method for Promoting Clumps -UPDATED/Video Link-p1010063.jpg   Super-Soaker Method for Promoting Clumps -UPDATED/Video Link-p1010065.jpg   Super-Soaker Method for Promoting Clumps -UPDATED/Video Link-p1010067.jpg  
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
I just want to clarify about the "lengthening" curls w/ the Denman, lest I scare anyone away from this method.

I think it may be that the clumping and consistency is just organizing my curls. Without the clumping and consistency, half my head is 3b (the bottom half) and the top half is 3a / 2b so that it looks shorter and curlier. The denman + method is helping all my curls go together (clumping) which makes them look longer and for me that's a good thing, not a bad thing!

An analogy: You have a bunch of necklaces on your dresser. They're tangled and spread out and disorganized and it looks like you have a ton. Then you decide to organize, and you hang them on hooks. You still have the same necklaces (curls), and they look better hung up (clumped), but it looks like you have less jewelry because they're not all over the place.

Am I making sense?
CG since 3/31/09... going curly is honoring God's creation!
2c /3a/3b, med. porosity, LOTS of fine hair
low-poo: Giovanni TTT, Whispering Windz
conditioners: suave / Vo5 naturals, Giovanni 50/50, GVPCB
DT: Korres hair mask
stylers: LASG, KY, Pink Boots!
Wishlist for winter: CJ, KBB and a diffuser
...I've tried this method several times, have even PM'd rudee to figure out why it won't work for me. My conclusion (at least until the WORLD premiere video comes out) is 1. my hair can't take brushing because of the weaker curl pattern 2. my hair can't take all that extra water, it seems to pull down my waves. I tried not brushing and just scrunching but results are the same. I think because my hair is so thick and coarse I need as much product to stay in my hair as possible and the extra water is literally washing away my hold...
Originally Posted by DEL2C
Del2C (the real Del this time): Try just the water part again, without the brushing. I didn't brush and still saw great results. My trick: after I comb through products, I always use the Ouidad method: grasping hair on ends and lightly shaking to release the natural curl pattern. I always do that after raking and prior to plopping. That seems to work better than scrunching at this stage. Taken together, it's a "rake and shake" approach, or with more detail, "rake, comb, shake, and plop." With Rudee's method, I did "rake, comb, shake, soak, and plop." There's a bit of light scrunching at the soak stage, but I don't really scrunch until after I plop when I add in gel and then again when I SOTC.

Also, plopping for a good 45 minutes after soaking helped hold the curl pattern despite the added weight of water. I do think the water weight might still have contributed to some flatness on top, but I had so much more clumping on the sides I didn't mind.

In addition, I used substantially more base product (CCCC) than usual, anticipating some of it would wash down the drain.

Finally, applying gel after plopping kept my gel from being wiped off by the towel.

So, maybe one of those variations will help you as well.

BTW, happy to report, I have great 2nd day hair as well! Thanks again, Rudee!
hair type: 2B/3A
low poo: Elucence moisture; Elucence clarifying (after swimming)
condish: CJ smoothing; CJ argan; CJ repair me; CJ curl rehab; CJ strengthening (summer only)
winter/spring styling: CJ Beauticurls leave-in + Curly Kinks coil jam + Ouidad mongongo oil; or CJ leave-in + SpiralSolutions CEJ & FHG
summer/fall styling: CJ CCCC lite + CJ Curl Queen
http://members.fotki.com/melaniesusan/ pw = 3ahair
Rudee, you're right! I can't believe I did that! I guess you and Del are morphing into one person in my mind.
Originally Posted by melaniesusan


I am trying this again this morning...I did it yesterday and got some pretty nice results, but something came up and my routine was rushed. I only had time for a HAP (half-assed plop ) and it was still a wee bit damp when I scrunched, so I was a teeny bit frizzy.
- Tiffany
Hair Stylist and Curly Hair Specialist - St. Petersburg, FL (Tampa Bay)

Blog: Live Curly, Live Free
Facebook fan page: Live Curly Live Free

Sulfate- and non-water soluble silicone-free since 04/22/2002
3B, brunette: medium texture, low porosity, high density

I just want to clarify about the "lengthening" curls w/ the Denman, lest I scare anyone away from this method.

I think it may be that the clumping and consistency is just organizing my curls. Without the clumping and consistency, half my head is 3b (the bottom half) and the top half is 3a / 2b so that it looks shorter and curlier. The denman + method is helping all my curls go together (clumping) which makes them look longer and for me that's a good thing, not a bad thing!

An analogy: You have a bunch of necklaces on your dresser. They're tangled and spread out and disorganized and it looks like you have a ton. Then you decide to organize, and you hang them on hooks. You still have the same necklaces (curls), and they look better hung up (clumped), but it looks like you have less jewelry because they're not all over the place.

Am I making sense?
Originally Posted by lasarita
Excellent analogy!! It makes total sense to me. Since I have so much hair, it looks really disorganized and messy lately when I just scrunch in my products, but it looks much neater (clumped/organized) when I brush.
http://public.fotki.com/msgiblet/ - pw: gibber -- Pics Added 7/10/11
Fine, Thick, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity

Countess Balashi of Divi Beach in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

If I'm Going To Have A Bad Hair Day, It Might As Well Be In Aruba!

2. I plopped for a good 45 minutes after applying water, and then scrunched in gel after that.


This time, perhaps because my hair was substantially more wet when I applied the gel, I had less crunch.

Disadvantages:
1. Increased drying time. I plopped longer than usual (45 min instead of 25-30), and my hair was still substantially more wet afterwards.

2. Hair is a little bit flatter on top than normal. I don't usually clip my hair, but might need to with this method. (I'm scared of trying backcombing - reminds me of the 80s!) Perhaps the added weight of the water pulls my hair down a bit while it's drying, even though I have it tied up in a curl ease towel at the beginning.
Originally Posted by melaniesusan
Hi Melaniesusan,

Thanks for your detailed post, as usual! I'm curious how long it took your hair to dry with this method? I'm also curious about your usual drying time, since you don't diffuse.

I tried out your base coats + plop + gel afterwards technique tonight actually. But I used my CLU cloth to get some of the excess water out before I plopped (in a flour sack towel). After an hour and a half of plopping my hair was still quite wet, so I diffused.

How do you get away with such thick hair and air drying, in addition to not scrunching out excess water before plopping?
Originally Posted by thick_n_wavy
I'm perplexed as to why you girls are having such a difficult time drying with this method. I have SO MUCH DARN hair on my head and my drying time ultimately remains the same.....

And melanie, I'm just curious: Why do you plop, then gel as opposed to soak, gel, plop?
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Drying time is often related to porosity and not so much amount of hair. I have more hair than you, yet my frying time is probably quicker because of my porosity.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I have a question about the routine, I tried it last night, when you use your denman to distribute your base coats (I used CJ CCCC and AFG) don't you feel like you're straightening your hair by doing that? So i guess you just scrunch the curls afterwards with a gel? TIA!
Originally Posted by Elphie2983
Well, last summer when the whole denman craze began I felt the same way - it is clearly counter intuitive to brush hair to get curls. But for some reason is does help with clumping. My theory was (and is) that it creates a sheet of hair that then separates more easily into clumps when encouraged.

I would imagine in some people this will pull out their curls detrimentally; my hair is so curly that they just come back when encouraged.

To be clear, this method is more about clumping than curling. Perhaps some other curlies with more curl challenged hair can chime in?
Originally Posted by rudeechick
My hair isn't as curly as Rudee's, but I seem to get more curl + clumping when I use the Denman. It gives me excellent product distribution, plus if enough water is in the hair, I guess I don't see how you would lose any curl, especially since you're adding water AFTER brushing with this method and then scrunching. I can understand losing curl if your hair is partially dry/just damp when the brushing is done because then it would be hard to boost the curl, especially in a weak curl pattern.
Originally Posted by msgiblet

Me, too. Like MsG, my hair is less curly than Rudee's, but I also get better curl formation and clumping when I take the time to use the Denman - even if not using the Denman, I have to comb product thru for even distribution - just scrunching or raking it in doesn't do it for me.

I've always had to add some water after brushing everything thru with the Denman, or I would get some stick-straight pieces that would never curl back up. But I've always done it with a spray bottle and still haven't had a chance to try Rudee's exact method yet. I'll be interested to see if wetting it at the sink makes any additional difference. Don't think I'll ever get the perfect ringlets Rudee does , but maybe it'll get me closer!

Melaniesusan: I used to confuse Rudee and Del at first for some reason, so don't feel bad - IDK why . . . . Also, I get a lot better hold when I apply my gel before plopping than when I do after. My hair seems to soak it up rather than it coming off on the towel/shirt.

Wookiemouse: I have no trouble with split ends from the Denman, and I've been using it for about a year. By the time I do, it always already has good slip from my rinse-out and leave-in (usually only use one when I need extra slip), so it brushes out easily.

Lil Curls: Scroll up - there's a thumbnail of the Denman on one of my earlier posts.
2C/3A/3B - modified CG - med./fine, normal/low porosity/normal elasticity

Current Main Rotation: MG217 medicated or Aim2Health 'poos for scalp, YTCarrots or Elucence cond., Spiral Solutions Protein & Deeply Decadent Cond., CJCCCC reg or lite, KCCC, Giovanni LA Hold Hair Spritz + lots more, sporadically

HG Method: Super Soaker + Smasters-ing, brief upside down diffusing w/360o diffuser then clips/clamps & air dry. Newly gray - stopped my henna glosses!

www.fotki.com/auntnett

Last edited by auntnett; 07-29-2009 at 10:49 AM.
Melaniesusan: I used to confuse Rudee and Del at first for some reason, so don't feel bad - IDK why . . . .
this is is hysterical! It must be my 3B ish tendency (yeah I WISH!)

Also, I get a lot better hold when I apply my gel before plopping than when I do after. My hair seems to soak it up rather than it coming off on the towel/shirt.
If I try to apply anything but spray after a plop I get massive FRIZZZZZZZZZ this is why I can't do the double plop either.

RCC-maybe you can refresh our memory?? I thought porous hair holds onto water more so it meant longer drying times. Someone with low or med porosity would take longer to dry?? It's nothing to do with texture either?? I'm really confused only because as usual my freakish head takes about 8hrs to fully air dry but the canopy dries pretty fast (makes sense that's my more porous part) but I have a ton of thick hair like my sister rudee (mine is thicker though) and attributed that to my long drying time. That was the other reason why this method wasn't great for me either all the extra water was adding to my dry time & I'd be dripping all over the place.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
Melaniesusan: I used to confuse Rudee and Del at first for some reason, so don't feel bad - IDK why . . . .
this is is hysterical! It must be my 3B ish tendency (yeah I WISH!)

Also, I get a lot better hold when I apply my gel before plopping than when I do after. My hair seems to soak it up rather than it coming off on the towel/shirt.
If I try to apply anything but spray after a plop I get massive FRIZZZZZZZZZ this is why I can't do the double plop either.

RCC-maybe you can refresh our memory?? I thought porous hair holds onto water more so it meant longer drying times. Someone with low or med porosity would take longer to dry?? It's nothing to do with texture either?? I'm really confused only because as usual my freakish head takes about 8hrs to fully air dry but the canopy dries pretty fast (makes sense that's my more porous part) but I have a ton of thick hair like my sister rudee (mine is thicker though) and attributed that to my long drying time. That was the other reason why this method wasn't great for me either all the extra water was adding to my dry time & I'd be dripping all over the place.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
With porous hair, water goes in quickly and water goes out quickly. As long and thick as my hair is, I'm pretty dry, except for damp roots, at two hours, which is pretty quick.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I just want to clarify about the "lengthening" curls w/ the Denman, lest I scare anyone away from this method.

I think it may be that the clumping and consistency is just organizing my curls. Without the clumping and consistency, half my head is 3b (the bottom half) and the top half is 3a / 2b so that it looks shorter and curlier. The denman + method is helping all my curls go together (clumping) which makes them look longer and for me that's a good thing, not a bad thing!

An analogy: You have a bunch of necklaces on your dresser. They're tangled and spread out and disorganized and it looks like you have a ton. Then you decide to organize, and you hang them on hooks. You still have the same necklaces (curls), and they look better hung up (clumped), but it looks like you have less jewelry because they're not all over the place.

Am I making sense?
Originally Posted by lasarita
I'm loving the exchange of ideas here! Keep em comin'curlies.


FYI seeing as Del has my DREAM hair, I am duly flattered!!!
Curls,Coils,Waves & WhatKnot
3miii/My HGs tame bulk&frizz/Give definition w/o crunch
My Photobucket Album
The dewpoint (71) ruined the 1/2 way decent hair day that I posted about above. I have been using honey in my rinse out condish and I think the dewpoint reached the point of bad when it comes to honey. Prior to today it was working well.
Central Massachusetts

One good reason to only maintain a small circle of friends is that three out of four murders are committed by people who know the victim. ~George Carlin~

In regards to Vagazzling: They just want to get into the goods without worrying about getting scratched up by fake crystals. ~spring1onu~
So I have been trying this method all week and keeping quiet about it because it wasn't working "all the way". I was getting great clumps but no root volume (always a problem for me anyway) and frizz. I just knew I could make it work though if I kept at it. Yesterday was a success!!! I finally tweaked my clipping right to get the root volume and found a product combo that actually worked for me (this summer has been a struggle). I had nice clumpy curls and barely any frizz at all. I'm going to try for second day hair today (yes I've been lazy) and I'll report back.

As far as the drying time I haven't noticed an increase at all. I plop soaking wet hair for about 10 min then scrunch with my hair towel a little more and air dry. It's still about 3 hours total drying time. I haven't diffused/R2D2 in ages because I have no AC and it's too darn hot.
High Priestess JessMess, follower of the Goddess of the Coiling Way and Confiscator of Concoctions in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

Trending Topics


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:11 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011 NaturallyCurly.com