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mendy789 07-22-2009 10:59 AM

help needed w/fine, thin, 2c/3a frizzy hair
 
I have worn my hair curly for years. However I have only been a CG for a couple of weeks. My hair has no body in it. If my hair air dries it is wavy. However, I usually use a diffuser and all of the scrunching from the diffuser curls it up more. After that it looks more like 3a. As I mentioned my hair is fine and thin. I believe my hair is med/high porosity.

I am struggling to find the right products on a budget. I am open to suggestions. I am currently trying Bioterra firm hold gel and Herbal Essences mouse. I think I may be using too much gel.

One of my biggest issues is getting my hair from the clumping stage after it has dried all the way to the way I want it to look. My hair is very thin so I can't just leave it all clumped together even if is isn't crunchy. I think I look like a wet dog. Then I wind up with frizz. I am currently using MOP pomade to scrunch.

How do I get my hair to look like all of your pictures?

I am open to product suggestions and I am sure that I am sure that my technique is wrong.

I CO-wash with Suave coconut and condition and leave-in with Eleance.

Thanks in advance for your help.

mpgirl 07-22-2009 11:10 AM

When you have thinner hair, once it dries and you sotc, you might need to slide your fingers up into the scalp and "scrub" gently with your fingers to loosen the dried hair at the root. Doing this upside down, if your hair is longer can help to give you a bit of volume at the root and break up the clumps at the scalp that can help to give you thicker looking hair.

If you clip, this will work as well.

Have you thought about using a protein treatment? Suave Coconut has some protein in it, but if your hair texture is fine you might need a regular shot to boost your curl and control frizz.

mendy789 07-22-2009 11:31 AM

I do "scrub" some. Then I think I overdo it. If I have put the product in when my hair is too wet you can see way too much of my scalp. So I just rub too much. Then of course frizz.

I did recently purchase the Generic Joico K-pac conditioner. How would you suggest that I use this? I have been following the directions.

mpgirl 07-22-2009 12:13 PM

I follow the directions to the letter. Even fine hair can overdo protein even though it needs it. What I use says to apply to wet hair and let sit for 1-2 minutes then rinse. I do this once a week.

I follow that with a DT or a very moisturizing conditioner and an ACV rinse (http://www.livecurlylivefree.com/home%20remedies.htm#Apple_Cider_Vinegar_Rinse)twice a month. The other times I rinse in cool water to smooth the cuticle.

I also use conditioners that contain protein to maintain a good balance throughout the week.

mendy789 07-22-2009 01:31 PM

What products would you suggest for styling? I need something that increases volume.

mendy789 07-22-2009 01:32 PM

Oh and, inexpensive

mpgirl 07-22-2009 03:48 PM

You might want to look into mousse. Do a search in the Google search function at the top of the page. There has been some recent posts about mousse vs. gel. Mousse can be less weighty on your hair than gel.

I will check around and get back to you.

mendy789 07-22-2009 04:12 PM

Thank you for all of your advice. I am using a mousse now, but I keep just chose the inexpensive one off of the "best" list on nc. I have been changing gels hoping to get the results I need. I am currently using a mousse and a gel. I hear so much about layering products, and then basically I don't know what I am doing.

mpgirl 07-22-2009 05:59 PM

I don't know if you saw this thread link but there are a lot of mousse/gel options talked about.

PrettyMedusa 07-22-2009 06:26 PM

Mendy, would you mind posting a pic of your hair? This might help me envision what could be right for you. My hair is fine, as well. I found that getting a bob really helped with the volume and controlling clumpage so I don't look like a wet dog.

mendy789 07-22-2009 06:27 PM

That is helpful. I do need to concentrate more on mousse (and my typing, I have made several mistakes today). There were some helpful hints in there too.

I haven't been using a comb on my hair, but I think that a comb would help to break up the curls more. Big clumps are bad for me because I just don't have enough hair for that.

Would I need the AVC if I loo-poo occasionally? I do have hard water.

It's funny because I can't wait until the next day to try something new in hopes of getting it right!

LoloDSM 07-22-2009 06:31 PM

I have thin/fine hair too. One thing that helps me with volume is to use a Denman 3 brush on my soaking wet hair. It helps lift hair away from the root. It does break up my clumps, so I have to choose between volume or chunkier curls.

After rinsing out my conditioner and while still in the shower, I apply leave-in, brush it through with the Denman, and then apply stylers.

You can find the Denman at Sally Beauty Supply. I think it was about $6.

mendy789 07-22-2009 09:47 PM

picture
 
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My husband helped me take a picture and the file was too large (the setting on my camera). So after he went to sleep I took this one by myself with a mirror. I'm so sorry for the bad quality. My hair isn't the only thing I need help with. LOL!

So anyway, you can see the frizz. I think it actually looks better in the picture than in real life. I put a little leave in on, used a microfiber towel to get some water out, and then I put the mousse in. Last I raked in some gel.

mendy789 07-22-2009 09:49 PM

My picture isn't very large. So if you can tell me how to get it bigger let me know. I will post a better picture tomorrow. I apologize.

kathymack 07-23-2009 05:26 AM

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Originally Posted by PrettyMedusa (Post 1037299)
Mendy, would you mind posting a pic of your hair? This might help me envision what could be right for you. My hair is fine, as well. I found that getting a bob really helped with the volume and controlling clumpage so I don't look like a wet dog.

Saw your picture and totally agree with PrettyMedusa. If you look at my fotki pictures, my hair started out a lot like yours. The bob helped. When you don't have a lot of hair, long hair just makes it look skimpier.

My hair likes the more natural products. I get tighter curl and more volume from using the natural soap bars rather then cowashing.

mpgirl 07-23-2009 05:49 AM

I agree with KM on the hair cut. Fine/thin hair is too easily weighed down by products and itself. A good trim or cut might help. The frizz might lessen with a good dose of protein.

If you choose to use a shampoo bar, yes, you will need to use an ACV rinse to rebalance the pH levels. I have fine hair and I use an ACV rinse every other week or so after a protein and deep treatment to shut down the cuticle. I don't use it more often because it can be drying to fine hair. I depend more on protein and a good gel to manage frizz. Rinsing hair in cool water will also smooth the hair shaft.

mendy789 07-23-2009 06:27 AM

shampoo bars
 
Alright, the haircut I understand. Although I will have to think about that. I like being able to put it up in a ponytail. Especially in the summer. I had short hair once and what I remember is that I always had to fix my hair. There was no just throwing it up. I don't put it up much, but it is nice when I take the kids to the pool, stuff like that. But you are right, and I will think about it.

Kathymack, just to be sure that I understand, you are saying that you us shampoo bars instead of CO-washing. How often do you do that, and how is that different from sulfate free shampoo? What do you use to style your hair? If it is homemade what is the recipe? I will look up more on shampoo bars in the mean time.

This might be good for my daughter. She has wavy hair. She is eleven, and like most girls her age finds it easier to put her hair up every day rather than fix it. (She does like her hair.) She has tried CO-washing, but her scalp itches. I have heard that this is common for those with wavy hair.

Although I have to tell you I have several bottles of sulfate-free shampoo laying around. I am an unintended PJ who would like to be a minimalist, just waiting to find the right products. Ha Ha!

mpgirl 07-23-2009 06:45 AM

Mendy- Have your read Tiffany's website through yet? (http://www.livecurlylivefree.com) I think if you haven't, it would be valuable to do so. Purchasing her e-book, Live Curly, Live Free - Unlocking the Secrets Behind the World of Beautiful Curls would also be beneficial for you and your daughter. I don't believe that curl type has anything to do with what ingredients you should be using on your hair. Reading what Tiffany has to say might help to clarify things for you.

I know everything on this site seems complicated, but understanding the science of hair might help to uncomplicated things.:smile:

kathymack 07-23-2009 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mendy789 (Post 1037807)

Kathymack, just to be sure that I understand, you are saying that you us shampoo bars instead of CO-washing. How often do you do that, and how is that different from sulfate free shampoo? What do you use to style your hair? If it is homemade what is the recipe? I will look up more on shampoo bars in the mean time.

I cowashed for six months and it was fine. Last summer, when the soap/shampoo bars became the rage--it took me two months to try one I got free with my cassia order. It was WOW!! Pictures in my fotki. After trying some other bars, and having disastrous results with CV bars, I did a lot of research looking for great bars to use. Found a company that makes them for resellers and buy them in bulk. Started with their organic bars that don't have castor or avocado oils, or shea butter. I've since added their bars with shea butter and avocado (they don't use much avocado anymore.) If you research soap and/or shampoo bars--you'll come up with tons of threads.

End of last summer, I started to use more natural products--my hair responded well. I used to have 3a curls in the summer and waves in the winter. My hair now looks like my signature picture every day. The products I use are in my signature. I experiment with new natural products all of the time. Right now, I'm trying out the new Donna Marie and Darcy's Botanicals products.

mendy789 07-23-2009 10:21 AM

My hair looks better today. I remembered to rinse with cool water. Using a comb to get smaller clumps helped also. Then I didn't mess with it as much when it was dry. It already looked the way I wanted it to look. I just scrunched the crunch out and "scrubbed" a little.

I read some about homemade flax gel. I will try that. Thanks for all of your help.

I have looked at the sites that everyone has suggested and have found a lot of helpful information! I have so much to learn!


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