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Old 07-23-2009, 01:49 PM   #1
 
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After 6 years of not living in a particularly dry, windy city in Cali, I'm not happy to be back at all. But, I don't have a choice of where to live right now.

Anyway, suddenly, all my favorite products are not working at all. Everything I do to dry to moisturize or oil my hair is a failure. Yesterday, after deep conditioning my hair, it felt very good at first- for about an hour or so. Then this miserable zero humidity area seemingly sucked away all the moisture in my hair and left it feeling like straw. It's horrible. It's been this way consistently for the past month ever since I moved back here.

To summarize, does anyone have any recommendations on how to
"seal in" the products in my hair so that it won't be so rough anymore (if it's at all possible)?

BTW, if it's relevant at all, I'm a type 3b, with fine, dry hair. The roots of my hair, which were never colored or chemically processed in any way, are just as dry as the rest of my hair.
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Um...no one has advice on how to manage hair in dryer climates???
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Hi Paula.

I'm in SoCal. This heat is just awful right now. My hair is noticeably dryer. I wasn't sure if it was due to coloring my hair at home instead of the salon, the color is just fading, or the weather.

I went to Sally's Beauty Supply a couple weeks ago and bought a bottle of the GVP K-Pak Reconstructor. I use it once a week and it seems to be making a difference. I got a compliment on my hair today so it must be working!

I don't have any suggestions on "sealing" in product. Sorry.

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What products are you using? That's a good place to start. There's also a couple of threads floating around recently about managing hair in dry climates. I'm sorry I can't help you. I live in Florida and have the exact opposite problem. It's like a steam bath here all the time.
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Paula, I struggle in a dry climate too. Right now the dews are in the 40s and 50s, which is a nice change!

Anyway, I agree with a lot that has already been said: please let us know what products you are using so we can help you take it from there. Also, about protein. I see that you have fine hair (as I do), and I second pink sugar's recommendation about adding protein. I have found the GVP Reconstructor to be good (although I only use it about once a month -- still not sure about the mineral oil, but so far so good!) and also I highly recommend Aubrey Organics GPB conditioner -- very rich and moisturizing with lots of protein.

There is a lot of good info out there about combatting dry climates, and I am still figuring it all out. ReddishRocks has a blog with info about dew points and humectants:

http://coloradocurly.wordpress.com/dew-point/

Also, I know that Redcelticcurls has some really good info on her blog as well.

http://pittsburghcurly.wordpress.com/

I'm sure jillipoo has some info on her blog, too, and there might be some good thread in the archive here if you search "dry climate" and terms like that.
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OK...thnx all.

Tinah...I once lived in FLA too so I remember what the exact opposite is like. At this point, I would take humidity over dry anyday.

The products I have include: Aussie (moist), Aveda's damage remedy, Silk Elements moisturizing treatment (from Sally's), Garnier Fructis deep conditioner- among my conditioners anyhow. I also have peanut oil to which I use from time to time after my hair is dry. All these products used to work great on my hair, but now none of them are working. I bought the Silk Elements one a few days ago, so I did try changing to something else that I thought would work well on my hair. Well, the best I can say it that it felt real, real good at first and only lasted a little while, just like everything else
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p.s...isn't protein rather drying? For me, it usually is, so that's why I use the Aveda damage remedy from time to time since it contains plant proteins instead of animal proteins. Seriously, usually too much protein is a no-no for me....
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I am dealing with very dry hair, but not consistently dry weather, and the only thing that seems to be helping me is sealing my conditioners in with coconut oil, so all that yummy moisture doesn't leak right out (like what you described).
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Old 07-25-2009, 01:28 PM   #9
 
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I am dealing with very dry hair, but not consistently dry weather, and the only thing that seems to be helping me is sealing my conditioners in with coconut oil, so all that yummy moisture doesn't leak right out (like what you described).

so how do you use the coconut oil after your conditioners? melt and spread, or emulsify in hands and scrunch? if my hair is wet will it not soak in and just sit on the water?

i am having the same problems! i'm living in a hot, dry, and usually windy climate and my normal products aren't working either. but to help with moisture, i have noticed if i SOTC with hair butter-mostly shea butter with coconut oil then that keeps the moisture in longer, then as my hair starts to feel dry i scrunch in more butter throughout the day (a very small amount each time. it does seem to tend to build up a little since it is a little heavy, but i just co-wash everyday, and that has solved that problem. i have noticed i can go almost twice as long between low-poo washes.

i would probably stay away from the protein, though. until the summer really hit i could use a heavy protein co wash and leave-in conditioner, and do heavy protein treatments every week. but now i've tried to stay away from the proteins and that has helped me

someone mentioned sleeping with a humidifier.

good luck!
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I would be careful with that Garnier Fructis deep conditioner. I had problems with their line, I think it was the amodimethicone, which it looks like that conditioner has. [This is if you're not using sulfates.]

And it worked great for a time. Then it all went to hell.

Also, I had problems with the Sally's K-Pak knock-off, because of the mineral oil, I think.

When I had these problems with these products, my hair acted as your is now. I, too, blamed it on climate. It turned out I had build-up.

Not everyone is sensitive to these things, but if your hair is acting like that, it pays to watch your ingredients carefully.
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I would second what other people have said - try sealing it in with coconut oil. That stuff is amazing. My hair is a looser pattern than yours, but I was having the exact same problem all winter here ( I live in a pretty cold climate) - it didn't matter WHAT I put in my dry, fine hair, the air sucked it right out. Sealing it in with a little bit of oil works nicely. For me, scrunching some KBB hair cream in after it dried also helped out.
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Wow so OK SunshineGrrl or AprilnUtah haven't chimed in yet.

If you want to "seal in products" can your hair tolerate natural oils like jojoba? To seal in the water after a shower I sometimes use an oil mixture like:
I figure that should replace a full-on silicone sealer like Frizz Ease or similar.

I shampoo once a week & clarify twice a month with non-sulfate shampoos because the sulfates were stripping & drying out my hair.

I use a rinse-out conditioner once daily & I deep treat twice a month with things containing natural ingredients like butters & oils. My hair responds well to them so long as they're diluted/mixed with other things.

I stay away from anything containing mineral oil/paraffin & the like because they supposedly coat the hair not allowing anything in or out, build up & need a strong sulfate to remove.

And unless I see PEG or hydrogenated in front of lanolin, castor oil in the ingredients list, I won't use that product either. See "mineral oil/paraffin".

I use a hat when in the sun for more than 15 minutes because that's when my hair/skin starts burning & I don't color or highlight anymore. All of this made my hair overly dry & porous.

I only use a leave-in conditioner when I use a drying yet non-alcohol laced gel. And I try to use a cream during the dryer days.

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Ok, coconut oil has been working wonders for me too so I highly recommend it. I put a very small amount on my hair at night before bed, and I use it to sotc. It seems to seal in the moisture, but you have to use a tiny bit at a time or it will seem greasy. I use just enough to coat my hands lightly (it looks like there's hardly any on my hands), repeating once on each side and once in the back.

Other than that, all I can say is order yourself some KBB asap. www.karensbodybeautiful.com I like the hair milk for a rinse out and super silky for a leave-in when it's really dry.

Styling products I like for super dry weather are CJ CCCC and KCCC (especially KCCC). Rght now I'm having good hair days with CJ AF, but our dews are in the 50's so I don't know if that would work in lower dews.

You'll have to dt more often too. I love the KBB deep conditioner, and many of the girls on the board here are loving CJ Curl Rehab and Deep Fix dt's (I'll be trying those soon)

HTH.

ETA: I forgot about Lustrasilk olive oil or mango cholesterol. There are a couple of threads on it. I haven't tried it myself, but a lot of dry climate curlies love it as a dt, rinse out, and leave-in that seals in moisture. It's cheap and you can get it at Sally's or sometimes the drugstore depending on your area.
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I am dealing with very dry hair, but not consistently dry weather, and the only thing that seems to be helping me is sealing my conditioners in with coconut oil, so all that yummy moisture doesn't leak right out (like what you described).

so how do you use the coconut oil after your conditioners? melt and spread, or emulsify in hands and scrunch? if my hair is wet will it not soak in and just sit on the water?

i am having the same problems! i'm living in a hot, dry, and usually windy climate and my normal products aren't working either. but to help with moisture, i have noticed if i SOTC with hair butter-mostly shea butter with coconut oil then that keeps the moisture in longer, then as my hair starts to feel dry i scrunch in more butter throughout the day (a very small amount each time. it does seem to tend to build up a little since it is a little heavy, but i just co-wash everyday, and that has solved that problem. i have noticed i can go almost twice as long between low-poo washes.

i would probably stay away from the protein, though. until the summer really hit i could use a heavy protein co wash and leave-in conditioner, and do heavy protein treatments every week. but now i've tried to stay away from the proteins and that has helped me

someone mentioned sleeping with a humidifier.

good luck!
I just spread the oil on my palms until it's all liquid and smooth into my hair, on the top mostly since that's where my coarse parts are. I think lots of oils WOULD just sit on the water, but coconut oil sinks in a bit more, IMO. You could play with the amounts, too. And then if I've done that, I don't use anything to SOTC, so I don't look greasy.
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I live in Phoenix so I feel your pain. I second using an oil to seal in the moisture. I alternate between olive oil and coconut oil. I also leave in a lot of conditioner, especially during the summer. I'm not sure if the air is drier than at other times, but I believe that the intensity of the sun is frying my hair if I don't add a lot of moisture. I add the oil when styling my wet hair. It's the last thing that I use. My hair is coarse, whereas yours is fine, so I need way more moisture than you do. However, I do have an extremely oily scalp and find that even though I'm CG I have to wash my hair (alternating between loo poo and Suave naturals shampoo (ammonium lauryl sulfate)) once every two to three days. So far my hair has kept the moisture and even looks and feels healthy.
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I am dealing with very dry hair, but not consistently dry weather, and the only thing that seems to be helping me is sealing my conditioners in with coconut oil, so all that yummy moisture doesn't leak right out (like what you described).

so how do you use the coconut oil after your conditioners? melt and spread, or emulsify in hands and scrunch? if my hair is wet will it not soak in and just sit on the water?

i am having the same problems! i'm living in a hot, dry, and usually windy climate and my normal products aren't working either. but to help with moisture, i have noticed if i SOTC with hair butter-mostly shea butter with coconut oil then that keeps the moisture in longer, then as my hair starts to feel dry i scrunch in more butter throughout the day (a very small amount each time. it does seem to tend to build up a little since it is a little heavy, but i just co-wash everyday, and that has solved that problem. i have noticed i can go almost twice as long between low-poo washes.

i would probably stay away from the protein, though. until the summer really hit i could use a heavy protein co wash and leave-in conditioner, and do heavy protein treatments every week. but now i've tried to stay away from the proteins and that has helped me

someone mentioned sleeping with a humidifier.

good luck!
I just spread the oil on my palms until it's all liquid and smooth into my hair, on the top mostly since that's where my coarse parts are. I think lots of oils WOULD just sit on the water, but coconut oil sinks in a bit more, IMO. You could play with the amounts, too. And then if I've done that, I don't use anything to SOTC, so I don't look greasy.
thanks, i'll have to try that!
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