What to do with my hair

About 2 months ago went to the salon to get my hair blow out straight. (throw tomatoes at me if you like) It was for a special occasion and wanted a change. The hairdresser said that my hair was super dry, especially the ends and she cut off a few inches. She also said that I must be wetting my hair everyday and that's bad for my hair. Is that true? The hairdressers always say that, but people on here seem to not agree with that. Once she was done blowing out my hair she said she couldn't believe how good it looked and she was not expecting it to come out like that given how dry my hair is.

I say all this to say what should I use in my hair so it's not so dry. I personally never noticed the dryness. All I use in my hair is conditioner and gel. I use lots and lots and lots of gel to the point that once I style my hair I don't want to touch it for the fact that my hands will be full of globs of gel. It takes a while to dry and once its dry it's hard.

Maybe I need to start using more conditioner? Like maybe using a deep moisturizing conditioner once a week and stop using so much gel? The reason I use a lot of gel is because I have a lot of hair and it weighs it down which I like, it keeps it from expanding out. I wonder if all that gel is damaging my hair?

I hope I didn't ramble on to much. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
"When you are not afraid to fall, that's when you fly the highest"


"You shouldnt let random people who dont love you , arent there to help you with a flat tire, or there to fix you soup when your tummy hurts dictate your choices in life."

Last edited by noelani; 08-02-2009 at 08:57 PM.
Lots of things can contribute to dry hair. Your hair could be prone to dryness. The gel you use might dry it out, as in it's an ingredients problem. The gel might be fine and you're using too much. You might not be using enough conditioner for your hair, or maybe you need DTs regularly.

I would start with a nice overnight DT and then leave something a little heavier than your usual leave in condish. You could still use gel, but I would recommend getting another one, to see if your current gel is really giving you problems. And then eventually...there's an entire realm of curl creams and other things you don't want to throw in just yet. But maybe those things would be better suited to your hair, or might balance the drying effects of the gel, if you need one.

What are the ingredients in your gel and condish? You might be a little protein heavy.

As for the hardness, scrunch out the crunch!
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
Thanks for replying.

1. What would be good to use for a DT?

2. I don't use a leave-in. Should I be? Which should I use?

3. Curl creams...Should I be using them with the gel? I've used them alone and don't like them because they don't stop my hair from expanding or leave my curls nice like gel does.

4. I use Suave Naturals conditioner. I use whatever scent I find.

5. I use La Bella Lots of Curls gel.

How would I know if it's the gel that's drying out my hair? I was using a different gel before which I liked just as much as this one. I started using the La Bella one because I was out of the other one and couldn't find it in the store I went to so tried La Bella and it works just as good and costs less. So how would I know if it's the gel drying my hair out? I didn't even realize my hair was dry until the hairdresser told me.
"When you are not afraid to fall, that's when you fly the highest"


"You shouldnt let random people who dont love you , arent there to help you with a flat tire, or there to fix you soup when your tummy hurts dictate your choices in life."
Well since no one else is replying I searched around and decided:

Shampoo: mop c clean shampoo
Conditioner: undecided
Leave-in conditioner: mop leave-in conditioner
Deep Moisture Treatment: honey
Styler: undecided. Don't know if I should continue to use gel
Extra moisturizer: Jane Carter solution nourish & shine

Hopefully these are good choices and will work well. Still need to figure out a conditioner and styler
"When you are not afraid to fall, that's when you fly the highest"


"You shouldnt let random people who dont love you , arent there to help you with a flat tire, or there to fix you soup when your tummy hurts dictate your choices in life."
Hi,
It would help to know what hair type you have...

When I hear complaints from hairdressers about wetting the hair every day.. it's usually from a stylist that usually works on "black hair" or predominently "black hair".

The idea of wetting the hair daily being a bad thing is actually a misnomer especially among people of color (namly African-Americans). Wetting the hair every single day is absolutely fine. Hair needs moisture..that's what water does..it provides MOISTURE. This is ESPECIALLY true for Curly or Kinky Hair. The problem would be WASHING the hair every day.. not wetting it. Washing the hair every day with a sulfate shampoo unless the hair is naturally straight to almost straight robs the hair of much needed moisture for curly and kinky haired people.

What happened is people sort of twisted the saying about not WASHING the hair every day to not wetting the hair every day and it's confused a lot of people over the years and have caused some serious problems for people that have naturally dry hair. Not to mention a lot of hair that is sometimes found to be extremely greasy, dry, odor filled, full of flakes, and hair that seems like it just won't grow! A lot of that is due to under moisturizing the hair with water because of that fear that wetting the hair is a "BAD THING".

It's sort of like the saying, "Money is the root of all evil"... people say that but that's incorrect. The saying is actually, "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil". Money itself is not evil. Just like wetting the hair often is not evil but WASHING the hair every single day with shampoo can be evil for certain hair types.. particularly curly or kinky haired folks.

What may be causing the supposed "dryness" is the fact that you are over using gel and nothing on the hair to help with moisture.. particularly if the gel contain silicones, mineral oil, or any kind of petrolum (which all seal out moisture) or if the gel contains alcohol it can dry the hair out.

If you are a person of color and do have type 3c, 4a, or 4b hair type.. I HIGHLY suggest you try to use some sort of moisturizer on your hair before you use your gel. For instance, if you apply real shea butter on your hair BEFORE you apply the gel.. it could really help with your moisture issue and you probably wouldn't feel you need to use SOOOOOOO much gel.


I would actually suggest you stop using SO MUCH gel. I am not sure as to why you feel you need to use so much that globs would come off on your hands if you even touch it for fear of the hair expanding... that just seems extremely excessive.. and if you are using a gel with silicones and or alcohol.. you are sort of asking for trouble. So check the ingredients of your gel.

You may have not noticed the dryness in your hair because you are always using so much gel that is hiding the actual state of your hair.

For a change and help with "weighing your curls down", you might even want to switch to one of these curly products from the Curls line of the Devachan line. CURLS makes the Curls Milkshake and Miss Jessie's makes these curl puddings that's helps.

I don't really see the need to change your conditioner if you are using the Suave Naturals Line. That's a very good conditioner for curly and kinky hair because it doesn't contain silicones. It gives the hair nice slip and if a little is left in while rinsing it acts as a good defrizzer provided the hair is not tampered with while it's drying.

I have very thick 3c hair and I am telling you it makes my hair look and feel glorious. I use Suave Naturals Coconut, Suave Naturals Mountain Strawberry, and Suave Naturals Ocean Breeze. And I have no problem with dryness. My curls are bouncy and defined. So I HIGHLY doubt it's the conditioner you need to change.

You may want to think about a deep moisturizing treatment though. That will definitely help with the dryness! Like once a week or once every two weeks you may want to try it out. Personally, I am not anti-heat provided the heat is controlled and low. I don't flat iron or curl my hair with a curling iron. I use a hooded dryer for my deep conditioning treatments and every once in a while a blow dryer with a diffuser if I need my hair dry fast for some reason (which is rare).

Anyway, I am not sure what hair type you have.. so this advice is PURELY based on conjecture because of what you said your hair dresser stated.. which I've only heard that from hair dressers when their clients are usually predominently people of color. So I went off of an assumption. If I assumed incorrectly.. I do apologize... just trying to help.
I'm hispanic and was at a hispanic salon. I have 3B with possibly a little 3A thrown in.

Marah Mizrahi
You may have not noticed the dryness in your hair because you are always using so much gel that is hiding the actual state of your hair.
Yes, I think you are right about this. I use a lot of gel because that is the only way my hair looks nice. When I put less my curls don't come out as nice and my hair gets all big and expands out. So far the only way I have found to prevent this is by putting all that gel. If I can find a different solution I'd gladly use it.
"When you are not afraid to fall, that's when you fly the highest"


"You shouldnt let random people who dont love you , arent there to help you with a flat tire, or there to fix you soup when your tummy hurts dictate your choices in life."
Okay.. well if you have 3b hair mainly ... some of the tips I offered you may work. I also wonder exactly when and how you put the gel on..I wonder is it on dripping wet hair right out of the shower. I've found that if you use gel when your hair is very wet.. you don't have to use so much and it will define the curls and give you a good hold. And if that can work on very thick 3c hair (my hair type).. it might work on yours..

I mean I haven't seen your hair but I do realize that hispanic people can have a range of different hair textures.. I've seen some Dominicans that have hair very similiar to African-Americans (hence why a lot of women of color like the Dominican blow out because they do such a great job with handling curlier/kinkier hair ) and then I've seen some other Latinos have hair with a texture more similiar to Caucasian hair. What I mean is like the difference between Rosie Perez hair and Jennifer Lopez hair.. both Hispanic but both with very different hair textures. If you understand my point.

I only bring that up because if your hair is more similiar in texture to Rosie Perez's hair (I've seen her hair both naturally curly and straigtened and her texture is more "coarse" than J-Lo's) ... you might be able to get away with a heavy pudding type of hair product or some shea butter in the hair instead of so much gel to help weigh your curls down and keep the frizz to a low level. A lot of those puddings, custards, and milkshake products made for curly and kinky hair have good moisturizing properties to them so they could help with they dryness in your hair as well.

BTW, Rosie Perez's naturally curly hair is about a 3b..she may have a little 3a tossed in but it's definitely mainly 3b. I wished she wore it naturally curly so people could actually see how gorgeous her natural curls are.. but I think she straightens her hair so much because she likes to show off her lenghth..frankly it looks nice either way though.. straight or curly.

So anyway, the Curls Milkshake may work for you. Or even the drug store brand of Lusters Styling Gel if you use it on dripping wet hair. Also the part water/part vegetable glycerin spray may work for you as well. It works really good with my hair cause I need a lot of moisture and since the veggie glycerin is a humectant it keeps my hair very hydrated for much of the day.
Hi Noelani,

I agree with others about the gel issue. If you use too much without other moisturizing agents, it can have a drying effect.

Here are the ingredients to your gel

Deionized Water, Sorbitol, Glycerin, PVP, Propylene Glycol, Carbopol, Cocus Nucifera Oil Coconut, Cannabis Sativa Seed Oil Hemp, Lanolin, Triethanolamine, DMDM Hydantoin, Methylparaben, Polysorbate-20, Benzophenone-4, Isosteareth-20, Tetrasodium EDTA, Fragrance, Menthol, D&C Red No. 33

Some people have issue with glycerin and lanolin being drying. I'm still learning about the properties and behavior of glycerin, but I know that lanolin can eventually dry out ethic/coarse and porous hair if too much is used. While lanolin is found in a lot of products for ethic/coarse hair and is purported to help moiturize, condition soften and defrizz, it is an oil from sheep that coats the hair. If you continuously use a lot of products with lanolin, it can build up and actually seal the hair shaft. If the hair tends to be dry (which a lot of coarse and porous curly hair types are) then this buildup can prevent moisture from getting into your hair...hence the dry hair your hairstylist noticed. Since you say you use a lot of this gel, it is possible you have a buildup of lanolin which is preventing moisture from entering your hair shaft.

I know this from experience. When I lived in NYC I got dominican blowouts occassionaly and the ladies would comment on how dry my hair was even though I was using all the moisturizing products I could find on the market. Well I was also using a few products that contained lanolin (not a lot but enough that with my excessive use of those products I had a huge amount of buildup on my hair). Eventually noticed my hair was getting extremely dry. I did a little research and learned that lanolin can be a dry, porous, curly haired girls enemy.

Also, below is a link to a NC thread that discusses Labella Lots of Curls gel.

Has anyone her ever used Labella Lots of Curls styling gel frizz control?
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

Last edited by belasuna; 08-05-2009 at 02:47 PM.
Okay, to reiterate my point on lanolin, I just read this in an article on moisturizing hair.

"Good moisturizers will not contain cheap, filler ingredients like petrolatum, mineral oil, or lanolin. Avoid products that claim moisturizing benefits and contain these ingredients. There is nothing moisturizing about them! Petrolatum and mineral oil are sealants that seal out the precious moisture our hair needs."
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
I guess my la Bella gel is different. It's la Bella lots of curls frizz control styling gel. It's ingredients are:

water
sorbitol
pvp
propylene glycol
carbomer
potassium sorbate
keratin amino acids
sodium chloride
hydroxypropylcellulose
aminomwthyl propanol
dmdm hydantoin
methylparaben
polysorbate 20
benzophenone-4
tetrasodium EDTA
fragrance
red 33
"When you are not afraid to fall, that's when you fly the highest"


"You shouldnt let random people who dont love you , arent there to help you with a flat tire, or there to fix you soup when your tummy hurts dictate your choices in life."
I guess my la Bella gel is different. It's la Bella lots of curls frizz control styling gel. It's ingredients are:

water
sorbitol
pvp
propylene glycol
carbomer
potassium sorbate
keratin amino acids
sodium chloride
hydroxypropylcellulose
aminomwthyl propanol
dmdm hydantoin
methylparaben
polysorbate 20
benzophenone-4
tetrasodium EDTA
fragrance
red 33
Originally Posted by noelani
My bad, the ingredients I listed were for the regular gel. Maybe someone else can take a look at the ingredient list and give some ideas. I still believe the gel is what is drying your hair.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
Yes, I believe it's the gel too belasuna. *sigh* The search begins.
"When you are not afraid to fall, that's when you fly the highest"


"You shouldnt let random people who dont love you , arent there to help you with a flat tire, or there to fix you soup when your tummy hurts dictate your choices in life."
Okay.. I found a list of gels that you can use that are CG friendly..

You can get them at the drugstore: These products in the list are all protein, sulfate, and silicone free.


http://healthycurls.awardspace.com/f...-Styling-23522

Scroll down to the part where it says STYLING PRODUCTS and then to DRUGSTORE list..that list has all sorts of good gels on it. You can try them out!

The whole website is great but since you are concerned about gels right now.. I figured I would direct you to the part that has a loooooooong list of gels without unfriendly CG (curly girl) products.
Best wishes on your journey .. hope that helps.

Last edited by Marah Mizrahi; 08-07-2009 at 10:39 AM.

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