Hi, guy here, needs help with hair in general.

Hi!
My hair is 2b or 2c, not sure which.
Right now, I use Shampoo One by Paul Mitchell, then follow up with a male rinse-out conditioner (can't seem to remember the name) and then I follow up with "the conditioner" by Paul Mitchell. However, I find my hair somewhat frizzy at the end of the day, so I had been in search of new products.
I've been looking into CG, but haven't got any new products yet.
So....
I recently bought a product called DevaCurl Angell, recommended to me by the beauty stylist behind the counter at the local hair product shop.
I tried it a couple times, and each time I have used it it makes my hair flaky and stringy at the ends. Also it will frizz up on the left side.

When I told her this, she said I should use less but the same problems still occur, just not as severe.

I'm sort of new to hair, and I'm not the greatest at it.
Basically, I'll use anything that will keep my hair from frizzing up, so if it's not going to be Angell, what should it be?
BTW, I don't want to be spending lots of money on many different conditioners because, well that's just overdoing it.
Also, if Angell doesn't work, does that mean gels like Mop Top wouldn't work well either?

Thanks for answering this long post.

EDIT: forgot to mention I'm a male.
Hi Hair Metal,

I'm not an expert but it sounds to me that you definitely should go CG. Since you had frizz prior to using Angell, then the problem is with the cones and sulfates in your current shampoo and conditioner. I checked and your Paul Mitchell shampoo has sulfates which dries out the hair and dry hair can subsequently become frizzy. PM The Conditioner has dimethicone which is the ultimate evil for wavy, curly hair.

If you want to solve your problem and prevent frizz, you will have to do one more good hair wash with the Shampoo One to remove all product buildup from your hair then start using a CG friendly conditioner (more on this below) only to wash your hair with. You might use a separate Leave In after, but you don't have to. You can actually use the same conditioner you use to co-wash (conditioner wash) as a leave in also. Then you will have to use a CG friendly gel. Since you already have Angell, you can use it because it is CG friendly. Some curlies have said that Deva ArcAngell is less drying, and I have to agree with this (I have this gel and it seems less drying). Go CG and try the Angel. It may work out just fine. If it is still a problem, there are a lot of inexpensive CG friendly gels out there. Just make sure they don't have silicones (see below).

As for CG friendly conditioners: They do not have silicones (anything ending with -cone and -xane and something else I can't remember). Many use Suave Naturals or VO5. They are inexpensive ($1) and I don't see why you can't use the same as a co-wash and leave in. If you want something a little more fancier than those but that won't break the bank, try Aubrey Organics (at Whole Foods). It's around $8. If you use Aubrey Organics just make sure if you are protein sensitive (ie. if you have coarse hair) then avoid the ones with Protein. If you have fine hair, then you probably aren't protein sensitive and don't have to worry. Whatever you choose, ALWAYS read the ingredients and avoid -cones and sulfates.

I hope this info helps you move on the way to achieving the frizz-free hair you desire.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
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CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
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Pics would help. ALso a description of your hair itslef (texture, density, etc). And I'm going out on a limb here, but how often do you get it trimmed? if you are like alot of the long haired guys I know, its likely not often enough
Curls,Coils,Waves & WhatKnot
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I don't know how to describe my hair besides from that it's 2b or 2c, somewhat curly, and near shoulder length.
Since recently, I've been getting it cut every 6-8 weeks (before I didn't know anything, so I didn't get a haircut for a looong time. Now I know better.)
I just got it cut about 2 weeks ago. Just a little trim.
Also, @ belasuna :
I was looking at the V05 website and they have tons of different shampoos & conditioners, and I don't know which ones are CG, etc.
Could you specify which ones I should get, or does it matter?
Thanks.

Last edited by HairMetal; 08-10-2009 at 08:46 AM.
You might find this list helpful - check out the drugstore brands - you should be safe with any of these as a conditioner!

http://healthycurls.awardspace.com/cone-free.html

Good luck!
CG since June 12, 2009
Type: 3a and 3B mix, fine, high-med porosity, low density on top (uhg), medium in back...
Co-wash: EO Rosemary Mint, Suave, or Jessicurl Cleansing Cream
Leave-in: Jessicurl Too Shea, or whatever I co-washed with.
Styling/Gel: KCCC, Aussie Opposites Attract spray gel, CJ Smoothing Gelee Jessicurl RR and CC
Technique: Clip and air dry

Hair style is the final tip-off whether or not a woman really knows herself. - Hubert De Givenchy
i just started using garnier sleek and shine conditioner and it's been really nice. it's only like, 3 or 4 bucks and you can get it pretty much anywhere like safeway, fred meyer, target, rite aid, ect. in my experience with suave and vo5, every one of those i've looked at have -cones in them. granted, they're near the end, but if you want to stay away from all -cones, i suggest some of the garnier, bumble and bumble, or essencia products. those you can pretty much always find at drug stores too.

make sure that when you get your hair cut that they don't use razors or thin your hair. those are like, the ultimate suicide for curly hair. layers are best for the curly people.

apple cider vinegar/water rinses are good for cleansing your hair, too. i try to do that like, once a month to keep my hair clean

hope some of this helps! the quest for good curly hair sucks, so good luck ")
3b. coarse. low-medium porosity. kinda dry.
co- garnier sleek and shine
co wash-
suave naturals almond & shea butter
shampoo- johnson & johnson baby shampoo 1 time a week (if swimming) or 1 per month
deep co- garnier sleek and shine left on overnight
product- lotion w/ shea butter. he set me up gel
SOMETHING needs to be DIFFERENT!!

Also, @ belasuna :
I was looking at the V05 website and they have tons of different shampoos & conditioners, and I don't know which ones are CG, etc.
Could you specify which ones I should get, or does it matter?
Thanks.
Originally Posted by HairMetal
These were on the website KKurls listed:

VO5 Extra Body Conditioner
VO5 Nourishing Tea Therapy Conditioner
VO5 Smoothing Strawberries & Cream Conditioner
VO5 Revitalizing Creamy Fresh Peaches Conditioner
VO5 Herbal Tangerine Trickle Conditioner
VO5 Herbal Free Me Freesia Conditioner

Take a look at the website to get a general idea of things you can use. The main thing is to make sure the ingedient list does not have anything ending in --cone. The main no-no -cones used are:

Cetearyl Methicone
Cetyl Dimethicone
Dimethicone
Dimethiconol
Stearyl Dimethicone
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 15,533
Based on your description, I'm not sure you're a 2; 2s don't often frizz. I'm wondering if having used harsh products, the full extent of your curliness hasn't shown.

Take a look at the 3a threads here. There's a lot of good info there.

Good luck, and welcome
Based on your description, I'm not sure you're a 2; 2s don't often frizz. I'm wondering if having used harsh products, the full extent of your curliness hasn't shown.

Take a look at the 3a threads here. There's a lot of good info there.

Good luck, and welcome
Originally Posted by ninja dog
I might be a 3a if my hair curled 3x as much on the sides with no explanation, but it's mostly wavy on the sides and curly near my cheeks, and super curly, like 3a, in the back.
So I don't know what to call myself.
I'm going to get new hair products tonight, and maybe I'll become a 3a overnight.
I'm going to probably get V05 Extra Body Conditioner, along with a V05 shampoo as long as it doesn't contain sulfates or cones.
How does that sound?
Also, I don't know what to get for a CG-friendly gel, as the Deva products both contain cones. Help?
Thanks.

Last edited by HairMetal; 08-10-2009 at 04:20 PM.
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HE (Herbal Essence) makes some nice gels. Set Me Up is one. BioSilk Rock Hard Gelee is another (very hard hold on this one). I like Fuzzy Duck, but it's expensive.

FWIW, lots of people have a variety of curl types on their heads. Don't be too anxious to label yourself, since products that work for one type may also work for you (Kinky Curly Curling Custard is one very popular example, though it doesn't do much for me).

Last edited by ninja dog; 08-10-2009 at 04:37 PM. Reason: gave entire name of product, for clarification
a good gel with not a lot of hold (so not as much crunch) is aussie tiz no frizz gel.
another with a bit more hold is the herbal essence totally twisted gel
3b. coarse. low-medium porosity. kinda dry.
co- garnier sleek and shine
co wash-
suave naturals almond & shea butter
shampoo- johnson & johnson baby shampoo 1 time a week (if swimming) or 1 per month
deep co- garnier sleek and shine left on overnight
product- lotion w/ shea butter. he set me up gel
SOMETHING needs to be DIFFERENT!!
Based on your description, I'm not sure you're a 2; 2s don't often frizz. I'm wondering if having used harsh products, the full extent of your curliness hasn't shown.

Take a look at the 3a threads here. There's a lot of good info there.

Good luck, and welcome
Originally Posted by ninja dog
I might be a 3a if my hair curled 3x as much on the sides with no explanation, but it's mostly wavy on the sides and curly near my cheeks, and super curly, like 3a, in the back.
So I don't know what to call myself.
I'm going to get new hair products tonight, and maybe I'll become a 3a overnight.
I'm going to probably get V05 Extra Body Conditioner, along with a V05 shampoo as long as it doesn't contain sulfates or cones.
How does that sound?
Also, I don't know what to get for a CG-friendly gel, as the Deva products both contain cones. Help?
Thanks.
Originally Posted by HairMetal
sounds like you are closer to a 3 than a 2. if you go CG then it will bring out a stronger curl pattern, and the frizz is definitely coming from the sulfate and silicone abuse. ditch those and you will find your gel will work a lot better. once you clarify that last time, try doing a deep treatment, it will help the transition time to go by much faster.

you should be safe with the deva products in regards to the silicones, the 'cones in there are water soluble and shouldn't build up.

also, the suave naturals are the ones without silicone and they are really cheep and you can find them anywhere-the most popular one is suave naturals tropical coconut.

HTH, good luck, there is a ton of info, but don't get overwhelmed!
2b, 2c / f / ii / medium-high porosity
Vo5-never again, i now can plop!

CG since may 09, and hubby LOVES the new wavy 'tude!
products: CV SB, burt's bees more moisture conditioner, co-wash suave naturals coconut condish. FSG, shea hair butter, hair refresher
Based on your description, I'm not sure you're a 2; 2s don't often frizz. I'm wondering if having used harsh products, the full extent of your curliness hasn't shown.

Take a look at the 3a threads here. There's a lot of good info there.

Good luck, and welcome
Originally Posted by ninja dog
I might be a 3a if my hair curled 3x as much on the sides with no explanation, but it's mostly wavy on the sides and curly near my cheeks, and super curly, like 3a, in the back.
So I don't know what to call myself.
I'm going to get new hair products tonight, and maybe I'll become a 3a overnight.
I'm going to probably get V05 Extra Body Conditioner, along with a V05 shampoo as long as it doesn't contain sulfates or cones.
How does that sound?
Also, I don't know what to get for a CG-friendly gel, as the Deva products both contain cones. Help?
Thanks.
Originally Posted by HairMetal
sounds like you are closer to a 3 than a 2. if you go CG then it will bring out a stronger curl pattern, and the frizz is definitely coming from the sulfate and silicone abuse. ditch those and you will find your gel will work a lot better. once you clarify that last time, try doing a deep treatment, it will help the transition time to go by much faster.

you should be safe with the deva products in regards to the silicones, the 'cones in there are water soluble and shouldn't build up.

also, the suave naturals are the ones without silicone and they are really cheep and you can find them anywhere-the most popular one is suave naturals tropical coconut.

HTH, good luck, there is a ton of info, but don't get overwhelmed!
Originally Posted by dailywavy
Thanks.
How do I do a deep treatment?
For Deep Treatments, you don't have to buy a special deep condition treatment. You can simply use a thicker, richer conditioner. Put it on your hair and leave it on for a minimum of 15 minutes then wash out. The longer you leave it on, the more moisture will get into your hair. Some people leave the conditioner on for 2 hours. You can put the conditioner on dry hair or wet hair and then leave it on. I think if you put it on dry hair you get a deeper conditioning. After you put the conditioner on, you can wrap your head in a hot towel (wet a towel and microwave it for 2 minutes until hot)--if you do this, wear a shower cap and wrap the towel over the shower cap. The heat will intensify the deep treatment by allowing the moisturizers in the conditioner to sink deeply into your hair.

If you have really dry hair, doing a DT once a week can help.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

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