Porousity article

I am so confused now. I've been reading about porosity on another site and it has a few opposite facts. www.livecurlylivefree.com

For instance, she mentions on the site above that it's good to know the texture of your hair and the porosity. On the other site, if you have low porosity and fine hair proteins are good for your hair. Also, I've seen somewhere that it mentioned that Humectants can do the totally opposite of moisturizing you hair.

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Humectants
Humectants promote moisture retention within the hair shaft by absorbing water from the atmosphere, and also slow down the evaporation of liquid. Under idealconditions, humectants help curly hair to retain its hydration and spring.
In less than ideal conditions, however, humectants can cause a world of problems. In low moisture areas or dry climates, humectants can actually dry the hair out further by absorbing water from the hair itself when there is no moisture in the surrounding atmosphere to be found. In high
moisture areas or wet climates, humectants will
force porous hair to continuously “drink” water
from the atmosphere until the hair shaft is swollen,
bloated and tangled. Both overly dry and overly
swollen hair can become frizzy and/or lose their wave pattern due to improper use of humectants.
Depending on your hair type, humectants should not be used in very dry or very wet climates, or when dew points indicate there is too little or too much moisture in the
atmosphere"
Thanks Laura for posting this info. I found it very informative. I believe my hair is normal to high porosity (normal underneath, higher on top). It responds very well to ACV rinses. I was only doing the rinses every 3-4 weeks, but I think I'm going to lessen the intervals to 2 weeks. I've been having a heck of a time with frizz this summer. It might be because my hair needs a good protein DT. Thanks again!
3B Fine (lots of it), Normal to High Porosity
Low Poo: Elucence Moisture Poo, Renpure Organics
Co-Wash: Tresseme Naturals, Giovanni TT
Rinse Out: Biologe Cond Balm, SS Deeply Decadent Moisturizing Treatment
Leave-In: Oyin Hair Dew, CJ Beautiful Curls,
Stylers: SS Curl Enhancing Jelly, SS Firm Holding Styling Gel, Jessicurl RR and CC, BRHG, Biolage Gelee
Extras: ACV rinses every couple of months
I am so confused now. I've been reading about porosity on another site and it has a few opposite facts. www.livecurlylivefree.com

For instance, she mentions on the site above that it's good to know the texture of your hair and the porosity. On the other site, if you have low porosity and fine hair proteins are good for your hair. Also, I've seen somewhere that it mentioned that Humectants can do the totally opposite of moisturizing you hair.
Originally Posted by Curly83
im glad im not the only one confused
Hair Type: 3b-c/m/i
HGs:KCKT KCCC
Using:cowash VO5, TJ Nurish, orGVP PM Detandler condish/l.i. KCKT, stylers EcoStyler or ORS L&T, SheaButter Coconut Oil or EVOO seal, DT amla or brahmi powder ,DC AOHR, Henna, Multi+Biotin+FishOil+Probiotic
Want 2 Try: Qhem Curls

formerly KinkzNCurlz

This article that Laurabeth post was a true eye opener!! For sooooooo LONG I have been stalking this site trying to find a solution and or routine for my hair mostly without a lot of luck. Now that I know that my hair has a HIGH porousity and I do mean HIGH (thanks to coloring grays every 3 to 4 weeks and just having super dry hair anyway) I can actually find a way without guilt to care for my hair. This article was amazing. Thanks so much!!
I am so confused now. I've been reading about porosity on another site and it has a few opposite facts. www.livecurlylivefree.com

For instance, she mentions on the site above that it's good to know the texture of your hair and the porosity. On the other site, if you have low porosity and fine hair proteins are good for your hair. Also, I've seen somewhere that it mentioned that Humectants can do the totally opposite of moisturizing you hair.
Originally Posted by Curly83
im glad im not the only one confused
Originally Posted by Diamonds&Curls
Don't let that confuse you. The article doesn't get into texture and you do need to take that into consideration. You also have to do what's right for your hair. A lot of fine haired curlies have benefited greatly from adding more protein to their regime so you should experiment as well.

As far as humectants you'll see the curly chemist article has talked about them before and yes they can cause issues in less then ideal weather conditions. However, there are so many different humectants that it is almost impossible to avoid them all and it's not necessary. Try a Google search for the Curl Chemist Articles or get the link in the Newbie Forum. This will explain a lot for you.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
Hey ladies! Thanks for reading and for the great discussion. I agree that humectants, humidity, hair texture and other variables must be taken into consideration and that in the end, as I always say - one must find what works for themselves! Everyone's hair and environemtn and perceptions are different, so what works for you might be a disaster for another. There are, of course, some basic scientific facts, but some folks seem to enjoy great success even when choosing to go againts what the science seems to be telling us.

One note on liquid or jar sopas - I am not overly familiar with those, but a quick search showed the first ingredients are usually coconut oil soap or olive oil soap? If so, then these are still going to be potentially problematic when it comes to preserving your cuticular cellular mebrane complex. However, if you get your cut often or have lower porosity hair, perhaps it is not a problem. I have also wondered if the pH of some soaps and products are lower due to inclusion of other ingredients.

Regarding looking at your hair in a microscope or weighing it before and after immersion to determine porosity, this might be something I could do for some folks. It would take some planning and time and probably (possibly) money, but if there is interest I can look into it. You would have to mail me some hair though, LoL - if willing.
Hey ladies! Thanks for reading and for the great discussion. I agree that humectants, humidity, hair texture and other variables must be taken into consideration and that in the end, as I always say - one must find what works for themselves! Everyone's hair and environemtn and perceptions are different, so what works for you might be a disaster for another. There are, of course, some basic scientific facts, but some folks seem to enjoy great success even when choosing to go againts what the science seems to be telling us.

One note on liquid or jar sopas - I am not overly familiar with those, but a quick search showed the first ingredients are usually coconut oil soap or olive oil soap? If so, then these are still going to be potentially problematic when it comes to preserving your cuticular cellular mebrane complex. However, if you get your cut often or have lower porosity hair, perhaps it is not a problem. I have also wondered if the pH of some soaps and products are lower due to inclusion of other ingredients.

Regarding looking at your hair in a microscope or weighing it before and after immersion to determine porosity, this might be something I could do for some folks. It would take some planning and time and probably (possibly) money, but if there is interest I can look into it. You would have to mail me some hair though, LoL - if willing.
Originally Posted by Swirlycurly Chemist
I bet you get bombarded.
Kiva! Microfinance works.

Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I bet you get bombarded.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Oh yeah I bet she does. I was just waiting until I took biology next semester and had access to the lab before I did the same thing heh.
Grand Goobah Caedran, Aqueous Infusion of Demulcents, Order of the Curly Crusaders

Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.

Hey ladies! Thanks for reading and for the great discussion. I agree that humectants, humidity, hair texture and other variables must be taken into consideration and that in the end, as I always say - one must find what works for themselves! Everyone's hair and environemtn and perceptions are different, so what works for you might be a disaster for another. There are, of course, some basic scientific facts, but some folks seem to enjoy great success even when choosing to go againts what the science seems to be telling us.

One note on liquid or jar sopas - I am not overly familiar with those, but a quick search showed the first ingredients are usually coconut oil soap or olive oil soap? If so, then these are still going to be potentially problematic when it comes to preserving your cuticular cellular mebrane complex. However, if you get your cut often or have lower porosity hair, perhaps it is not a problem. I have also wondered if the pH of some soaps and products are lower due to inclusion of other ingredients.

Regarding looking at your hair in a microscope or weighing it before and after immersion to determine porosity, this might be something I could do for some folks. It would take some planning and time and probably (possibly) money, but if there is interest I can look into it. You would have to mail me some hair though, LoL - if willing.
Originally Posted by Swirlycurly Chemist
Thanks so much for checking in Tonya! I think this will clear up a lot of questions. We love your scientific explanations and value your input I e-mailed whispering windz to double check if their Jar soap is saponified or not, I'll be sure to let you know if it isn't so you can indulge I predict you will get bombarded with hair samples in the mail also!
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
Regarding looking at your hair in a microscope or weighing it before and after immersion to determine porosity, this might be something I could do for some folks. It would take some planning and time and probably (possibly) money, but if there is interest I can look into it. You would have to mail me some hair though, LoL - if willing.
Originally Posted by Swirlycurly Chemist
I have an image of Miracle on 32nd St with the bags and bags of mail being delivered to Chris Cringle.

Similarly, I can see bags and bags of hair samples sent to Tonya.

Would there be a difference in cut hair's vs yanking a few strands at the root when testing for porousity?
2b w/ some 3a
product tester geek
One note on liquid or jar sopas - I am not overly familiar with those, but a quick search showed the first ingredients are usually coconut oil soap or olive oil soap? If so, then these are still going to be potentially problematic when it comes to preserving your cuticular cellular mebrane complex. However, if you get your cut often or have lower porosity hair, perhaps it is not a problem. I have also wondered if the pH of some soaps and products are lower due to inclusion of other ingredients.
Originally Posted by Swirlycurly Chemist
I know AO products are popular on this forum, so I figured I'd mention this: AO GPB Shampoo's third ingredient is coconut oil-corn oil soap with quillaya bark (saponin). However it also contains a lot of moisturizing and protein ingredients, so maybe this doesn't create as much of a problem...?
Low/Med porosity, very fine, low/med elasticity & density, 3A
AKA hard to work with hair!


Low-Poo: Kenra Volumizing shampoo, AG Fast Food shampoo
CO: AG Ultramoist, AO GPB, Nature's Gate Aloe Vera
Gel: GFCC mousse, HETT, Aquage Megagel
Also: Aloe Vera juice or Alba Leave-in. Weekly ACV rinse.
Wishlist: YTC low-poo, Elucence poo, Bioterra Curl Creme, AGEbeautiful Strengthening trtment, SS Repairing Protein Trtment, LuxyHair ext's
Regarding looking at your hair in a microscope or weighing it before and after immersion to determine porosity, this might be something I could do for some folks. It would take some planning and time and probably (possibly) money, but if there is interest I can look into it. You would have to mail me some hair though, LoL - if willing.
Originally Posted by Swirlycurly Chemist
I have an image of Miracle on 32nd St with the bags and bags of mail being delivered to Chris Cringle.

Similarly, I can see bags and bags of hair samples sent to Tonya.

Would there be a difference in cut hair's vs yanking a few strands at the root when testing for porousity?
Originally Posted by laurabeth33

LB - I need to ponder it some, but my gut feel is that I will want a decent chunk to work with (like if you get a hair cut and have a 1-2 inch long section and can send a fat bundle). I think for interest sake though, any strand cut near the scalp would be intersting also - to examine how it changes with age (can compare new hair to old hair).

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