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Old 08-11-2009, 11:12 AM   #1
 
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Hullo!!

Uk curly here. erm, general outsider advise required please. anyone with a keen eye care to tell me from the piccies provided what the heck I actually am?
I think I might be a 3A'ey sorta thing, but a second opinion would be much appreciated.
This is me at the end of a work day, but the pics will do, since I dont actually start out much better at the beginning of the work day. have provided front, left and right angles for clarity. would show you the back but... well.. if I was bendy enough to be taking pics from that angle I wouldnt need to be focussing so much on my hair to get a date. hehe

currently I co-wash with pink boots conditioner - cond with aussie intensive frizz remedy - comb - wrap in microfibre towel for the night then gel and scrunch with pink boots gel. anything I can do to get a bit more definition and a little less "straggle" dyou think?
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:23 AM   #2
 
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Welcome to the forum! Your hair is really really pretty.

Your curl type looks similar to mine - I'd say probably a 2c but I'm not great at typing people. I too am still looking for the 'right' combination of products and techniques for me.

What's the Boots conditioner like as a co-wash?
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:32 AM   #3
 
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Hi,

I agree with SJS that your hair is very pretty. I also think you are more of a 2c and it looks like your hair is fine texture. Do you know the porosity? This can help you understand how well your hair will absorb whatever products you use.

As far as getting more curl definition/enhancement--I have seen on the forum that some curlies use small amounts of Magnesium Sulfate (Epsom Salt) to tighten the curl and product ringlets. You may be able to add a small amount of MS (like 1/4 teaspon, US measurment) to your Leave In. Before adding to the whole bottle, I would test out with a small amount first to see if you are not sensitive to MS and that you don't get a bad reaction of the frizzies.

Other's have mixed Seamollient into their products to enhance the curls. I have tried this and it helps my waves turn to ringlets. I think this happens because Seamollient contains algae extract which has MS in it. There are some products that contain MS and give curl enhancement.

If you can't find Magnesium Sulfate, I saw on another thread that Magnesium oil will work also.
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You've got really nice hair!! I don't know about the UK but the aussie products here hae cones in them. Are you positive that yours are cone free? I only ask because your hair looks like it's got some really great potential for more curl!

I'd say you're a 3A with some 3b potential but I'm not super great at typing hair. More important than your curl pattern is your texture and porosity. Those are the most important for finding out what products will work best for you. Do you know what your texture and porosity are? Texture would be fine medium or coarse. Porosity would be low medium or high porosity.

Beautiful hair tho already!!!
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Old 08-11-2009, 11:35 AM   #5
 
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thankyou for the welcome and the compliment hun ;o) meh, its very scruffy. I get by on the whole "casual, dont give a heck" vibe, but I would dearly like to be a little more ringlety and a little less "fell out of a tree".

Ive only tried 2 conditioners as a cg co-wash so im by no means an authority on the subject, but of the 2 (the other being the coconut moisturising conditioner from wilkinsons) the boots cond does seem to clean the hair more thoroughly. OCCASIONALLY leaves me with flat-top syndrome though. My fault. I sometimes dont rinse as thoroughly as I ought (sheepish grin)
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argh!! more replies while I was typing. you guys are awesome with the responses ;o) thankyou!

rightio, where to start... thankyou again for the compliments ;o) Im learning to embrace the curl, but sometimes there are days when you just wish you could pull off "neat and tidy" lol.

I shall list off the aussie ingredients... bare with me... aqua, cetyl alcohol, glyceryl stearate, peg-12 distearate, cetrimonium chloride, glycol stearate, stearyl alcohol, stearalkonium chloride, phenoxyethanol, dicetyldimonium chloride, tetrasodium edta, parfum, propylene glycol, alcohol, isopropylparaben, cetrimonium bromide, phosphoric acid, butylparaben, isobutylparaben, acetamide mea, glycerin, sodium lauriminodipropionate, sorbitol, hydroxylated lecithin, simmondsia chinesis, simethicone...

thats enough of that. Im bored now. Okay, just noticed that last one was a cone but since its sooooo far down the list is this product okayish? or are there hidden cones outsmarting me on this one?

Oh, and porosity is another subject that eludes me. I dont know what it is porosity-wise. its very very very dry, is all I know.

Ive always considered my hair rather course and thick as opposed to thin... could be thin I guess though. how do you tell? I mean, I hold it up next to a dna string and its the girthiest thing in the world... but if I hold it up next to a table leg its a bit on the spindley side... not being facecious ;o) just bloomin clueless. lol
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Belasuna I'm not quite sure how you cant tell she has fine hair through those photos, and without actually touching it. I also wouldnt use the Pink Boots Gel to SOTC, I would try and find a pomade like Deva Set Up & Above for the reason that the pink boots gets sticky to me, and can actually give me frizz.
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your conditioner ingredients look fine (except for maybe the alcohol - can be very drying). The simethicone is just an anti-foaming agent - no worries there.

There is a great thread (or two) on here about determining texture and porosity. If you do a search you should find them easily.

have you tried the boots curl creme? The girls here reall ylike it alot.
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Belasuna I'm not quite sure how you cant tell she has fine hair through those photos, and without actually touching it. I also wouldnt use the Pink Boots Gel to SOTC, I would try and find a pomade like Deva Set Up & Above for the reason that the pink boots gets sticky to me, and can actually give me frizz.
Of course you can't tell without touching the hair. But her hair does look shiny (could be the lighting or products of course), and in my experience shiny hair is usually fine-normal with low porosity. Anyhow, the point of my post was to say her hair "looks" fine in texture but really to get her to let us know more about the "actual" texture and porosity. I guess a question would have been the more direct route.


Fluffy4eva A simple (and I mean very simple) way to determine porosity is to notice how well your hair process. Is it easy or takes only a brief amount of time to chemically color, straighten your hair? When using a flat iron or curling iron does the curl or striaghtening stay? If the answers are no then you have low porosity hair. If the answer is yes then its high porosity.
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Belasuna I'm not quite sure how you cant tell she has fine hair through those photos, and without actually touching it. I also wouldnt use the Pink Boots Gel to SOTC, I would try and find a pomade like Deva Set Up & Above for the reason that the pink boots gets sticky to me, and can actually give me frizz.
Of course you can't tell without touching the hair. But her hair does look shiny (could be the lighting or products of course), and in my experience shiny hair is usually fine-normal with low porosity. Anyhow, the point of my post was to say her hair "looks" fine in texture but really to get her to let us know more about the "actual" texture and porosity. I guess a question would have been the more direct route.


Fluffy4eva A simple (and I mean very simple) way to determine porosity is to notice how well your hair process. Is it easy or takes only a brief amount of time to chemically color, straighten your hair? When using a flat iron or curling iron does the curl or striaghtening stay? If the answers are no then you have coarse hair. If the answer is yes then its fine.
I completely disagree Belasuna. My hair is fine and has a very long processing time due to having low porosity. How long it takes your hair to process doesnt have to do with the texture. My hair is fine due to it being almost tranluscent looking at it in light. But i hold protein and moisture and have a long processing time sue to my low porosity. Also when i straightened my hair it NEVER stayed straight. it always decided to curl again. You cant base your texture on these. The easiest way to tell if youe fine or coarse is to look at it in light. Coarse hair has a very very distinctive feel to it, sort of rough. Where fine you can run your finger down the hair and it be smooth. Fine hair also is almsot translucent in the light where coarse hair is pretty visible.
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Fluffy4eva A simple (and I mean very simple) way to determine porosity is to notice how well your hair process. Is it easy or takes only a brief amount of time to chemically color, straighten your hair? When using a flat iron or curling iron does the curl or striaghtening stay? If the answers are no then you have coarse hair. If the answer is yes then its fine.
I completely disagree Belasuna. My hair is fine and has a very long processing time due to having low porosity. How long it takes your hair to process doesnt have to do with the texture. My hair is fine due to it being almost tranluscent looking at it in light. But i hold protein and moisture and have a long processing time sue to my low porosity. Also when i straightened my hair it NEVER stayed straight. it always decided to curl again. You cant base your texture on these. The easiest way to tell if youe fine or coarse is to look at it in light. Coarse hair has a very very distinctive feel to it, sort of rough. Where fine you can run your finger down the hair and it be smooth. Fine hair also is almsot translucent in the light where coarse hair is pretty visible.
You are sooo right CC. I actually meant the reverse. That low porosity is hard to process and high porosity soaks up chemical processing. My hair has high porosity and when I used to dye my hair I always cut the time short. Plus I didn't even type low/high porosity but mistakenly said coarse and fine. Oh my very very bad! I guess I was having a brain freeze. Too tired today.
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Hello again girls ;o)

Wow, woke up to some really helpful stuff in my thread today. thankyou!! ;o) rightio, well, on this occasion the camera lied. My hair isnt shiney at all in the scheme of things. My strands are highly visible, and rather rough. It takes forever for me to attempt to straighten or dye, and the effects dont last very long... all in all, I guess Ive found my hair type ;o) somewhere between 2a/3a, low porosity, course. Thats excellent!! ;o)

Anyone got any tips on protein analysis?

also, if anyone shares the same hair type as mine as per the decription, would you be so kind as to bung down your methods/products please? I have my own regime, but I dont doubt improvements could be made...! ;o)
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Hello again girls ;o)

Wow, woke up to some really helpful stuff in my thread today. thankyou!! ;o) rightio, well, on this occasion the camera lied. My hair isnt shiney at all in the scheme of things. My strands are highly visible, and rather rough. It takes forever for me to attempt to straighten or dye, and the effects dont last very long... all in all, I guess Ive found my hair type ;o) somewhere between 2a/3a, low porosity, course. Thats excellent!! ;o)

Anyone got any tips on protein analysis?

also, if anyone shares the same hair type as mine as per the decription, would you be so kind as to bung down your methods/products please? I have my own regime, but I dont doubt improvements could be made...! ;o)
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Hello again girls ;o)

Wow, woke up to some really helpful stuff in my thread today. thankyou!! ;o) rightio, well, on this occasion the camera lied. My hair isnt shiney at all in the scheme of things. My strands are highly visible, and rather rough. It takes forever for me to attempt to straighten or dye, and the effects dont last very long... all in all, I guess Ive found my hair type ;o) somewhere between 2a/3a, low porosity, course. Thats excellent!! ;o)

Anyone got any tips on protein analysis?

also, if anyone shares the same hair type as mine as per the decription, would you be so kind as to bung down your methods/products please? I have my own regime, but I dont doubt improvements could be made...! ;o)
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ah! multiple posts and I dont know how to delete. sorry all!!
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Oooonly thing is... I was reading the "porosity" article on here, and I just realised that Im neither clinchingly low nor high porosity. Im low porosity in the respect that chemical treatments do not take well to my hair, and it takes a lot of water to saturate it. but it isnt shiney at all, and its actually very very curly, frizzy and rather dry and damaged which would indicate high porosity. I will stick with low-por for the timebeing, but the jury is still out...
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Oooonly thing is... I was reading the "porosity" article on here, and I just realised that Im neither clinchingly low nor high porosity. Im low porosity in the respect that chemical treatments do not take well to my hair, and it takes a lot of water to saturate it. but it isnt shiney at all, and its actually very very curly, frizzy and rather dry and damaged which would indicate high porosity. I will stick with low-por for the timebeing, but the jury is still out...
I think your "low porosity" analysis is correct. There are plenty curlies on this site who have curly, dry, low porosity hair.

As far as protein. Earlier you said your hair was coarse. This means you should not use protein at all, or limit it as much as possible since a lot of products contain protein. The best thing for coarse frizzy hair is to moisturize, moisturize, moisturize. You can also try weekly Deep Moisture Treatment. An easy way to do this without buying a special treatment is to put a thick, rich conditioner (cone free of course) on dry hair. Wrap it up in a shower cap, and wait 30 minutes to 2 hours and rinse it out. You can even wrap a wet warm towel over the cap. When you are done, you will have silky, soft moisturized hair. If you continue to do this, the frizzes may go bye-by 4eva.
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Oooonly thing is... I was reading the "porosity" article on here, and I just realised that Im neither clinchingly low nor high porosity. Im low porosity in the respect that chemical treatments do not take well to my hair, and it takes a lot of water to saturate it. but it isnt shiney at all, and its actually very very curly, frizzy and rather dry and damaged which would indicate high porosity. I will stick with low-por for the timebeing, but the jury is still out...
I think your "low porosity" analysis is correct. There are plenty curlies on this site who have curly, dry, low porosity hair.

As far as protein. Earlier you said your hair was coarse. This means you should not use protein at all, or limit it as much as possible since a lot of products contain protein. The best thing for coarse frizzy hair is to moisturize, moisturize, moisturize. You can also try weekly Deep Moisture Treatment. An easy way to do this without buying a special treatment is to put a thick, rich conditioner (cone free of course) on dry hair. Wrap it up in a shower cap, and wait 30 minutes to 2 hours and rinse it out. You can even wrap a wet warm towel over the cap. When you are done, you will have silky, soft moisturized hair. If you continue to do this, the frizzes may go bye-by 4eva.

I agree with the idea of a moisture treatment. I have rather dry hair and a few nights ago I did that treatment, but instead of just letting it sit, after I put the plastic cap on I used a blow dryer to heat the cap up and let my hair really soak up everything. It didn't dry my hair or give it any heat damage, so don't worry about that. Afterwards my hair looked fabulous ☺. Just an idea
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Thats excellent advice, you girls are wonderful ;o) thankyou!

how do I recognise "protein" in the ingredients list? Is it just protein, or are there different names for it, as with cones and xanes? Just so that I know what to avoid ;o)

I do actually deep condition relatively regularly actually. I slather my hair quite liberally with my fav deep treatment before heading into the sauna after my pool visits. protects the hair from any heat frazzle but also serves to triple the effects of the conditioner. Hair feels uber soft afterwards ;o)

Have visited britishcurlies.co.uk and invested in a kinky curls curling custard, hibiscus and banana deep fix, and some bio-mineral gel, to attempt an upgrade on my current cg routine (crosses fingers)

Ugh! having such a bad hair day today. seriously girls... done all the same rigmoral I always do, but sometimes Im a spirally ringletted sunshine goddess, and sometimes (today) I look like ive fallen out of a tree! sigh.
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Please do report back on those products once you've tried them! Not that I need enabling to buy anything else, but still...
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