Getting a perm when you're already naturally curly? *pic*

Okay, so I'm just completely fed up with my curls. I just don't like the way they look. I would like them bigger and more defined. Would a perm get the job done to achieve what I want?

Like, aren't there different sized perms you can get to get small, tight curls or large, loose curls?

I was hoping to get large, loose, defined curls. Here is my hair now: (haha, ignore the stupid pose, I'm so weird.) http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a1...DSCF0888-1.jpg

Any ideas?
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I'm no expert, but I don't think you could acheive the look you are wanting with a perm. Maybe using a large barreled curling iron?
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I had a perm a couple years ago, and the stylist was concerned that my waves would take so much curl from even the mildest perming solution on the biggest curling rods available, that I'd end up looking like Ronald McDonald.

So you'd have to talk to a stylist about it (preferably one who has a LOT of experience with perms), but it's unlikely you'd be able to get a looser curl on such curly hair from a regular perm, since the perm rods used are so small.

There are varying degrees of relaxers available. Not that I"d necessarily recommend them, since they're just as damaging to the hair as perms (probably even more damaging), but if you really can't stand your natural curl pattern, that might be worth looking into.
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I agree with momof3.
Maybe you could try using the Instyler???
Not that my opinion really matters but I have to say you have really nice curls (and also nice colour). I know you don't like them that tight (you're 3b, right?) but I think if you grow your a hair, the curl might stretch a bit and you might like it better without the damage that the perm might do. Also I tend to find that more moisture and split-free ends tend to make my hair looser (provided that the weather is dry of course).

About getting something chemical done in your hair, I think a relaxer would give you the waves you want. I barely know anything about relaxers but I think they have degrees, so you can get something that is not too strong so it won't straighten your hair completely.
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Please don't get a perm your hair is fabulous! Have you tried the CG method? This can REALLY help the appearance of your curls.
As for perms, your can get your hair set with differentt sized rollers, big for loose curls and small for tight curls.
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If you want bigger curls hot rollers might be the way to go. they have some good sets at sally for around $40 = cheaper than a perm and not as permanent.

You do have gorgeous hair! Good luck!
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If you want bigger curls hot rollers might be the way to go. they have some good sets at sally for around $40 = cheaper than a perm and not as permanent.

You do have gorgeous hair! Good luck!
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True. My cousin has tighter curls that she likes looser, so she uses hot rollers often. IDK why, since her curls are beautiful when she leaves them alone.

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Almost forgot, you might be able to comb out your curls and arrange them into looser waves or bigger curls by hand before they dry. Or braid them loosely.

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My hair is wavy -- and I've tried perms a few times in the past hoping to get it more defined & less random looking. All three perms were pretty much disasters. Even with the biggest rods, my hair came out looking like Ronald McDonald, and it was horribly dry and damaged afterwards.

I would not recommend a perm for anyone but the straight-haired.
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i dont think there are different degrees of relaxers, maybe one for fine and another for course hair... but thats it. you could get a relaxer and leave it on for a brief period of time, so that it loosens the curls but doesnt take them away completely. the problem with that is knowing how long to leave it on for, too short and your hair looks the same or only some curls get loosened, too long and you get curls with weird straight pieces. and its important not to overlap if you relax again. both chemicals, relaxer or perm, has to be cut out of the hair if you dont like the end result

this reply may sound biased but im personally against the use of chemicals... they are too risky and many things can go wrong, leaving a person with damaged hair or unhappy results. maybe you can use rollers to make your curls looser
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Last edited by curls 2nv; 08-17-2009 at 02:43 PM.
Have you tried the Super Soaker method? For many people it is a great way to get big clumps of curls.
I also think your curls are great as they are. I had a perm when I was very young, and it was a nightmare.. I had damaged crazy curly, unnatural looking hair. If it wasn't wet it was a frizzy mess. I agree with the pp who said that perms are for straight hair not curly. I think you could work with the curl you have and try to get it to look more like your wanting it and get better results.

What is your current routine?
Many years ago when I was in my late 20's I had a curly perm done. That was when the curly perms were popular. Like maybe late 70's. I had always tried to make my hair smooth and strait and did not realise I had such curly hair. I had the larger size curls not the little ones. It turned out great. The reason I did not look like Ronald McD is because I did not brush it or comb it when it was dry only wet.
As far as it being dry it was not. I'm not sure what it will do to your curls since your hair is pretty curly to begin with. Mine was not. B4 finding this web site I was gonna get a perm too and my stylist said she didn't want to do it I had too much hair it would cost a fortune. Those 70's perms lasted for like a year!! My curls are not large ringlets like I want BUT I am making the best I can of what I have. Your curls look great like they are!
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I agree - think VERY carefully before doing something permanent to your hair - think of the roots you'll get. And if you change your mind you'll have to grow a whole new head of hair to get a clean slate.
I'd go with the rollers
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Thanks to all of you for replying with your input. (And thanks for all the compliments) I'm actually doing a modified CG method right now. That picture was back in March, right before I started.

What is the Super Soaker method?

After reading all of your guy's comments, I think I will try rollers. I would LOVE to get a relaxer but at the moment, I cannot afford it for lasting only three months (approx.). Maybe once I get a more steady job (I'm only fifteen so I only have a part time job and it's only seasonal so... not much cash there.) I can attempt a relaxer but for now I'll have to deal with my enemies. :P

Okay, I'll admit that some days I like my curls but that's quite rare. I just don't like them because I'm someone who needs change. I want to have all these different hairstyles but I can't because I'm stuck with the curse of curls (Yes, they're a curse, in my opinion haha).

And even after fifteen years with this hair, I still feel like I'll wake up one day from a horrible dream and I'll have long, beautiful, gorgeous straight hair that I've always dreamed of. :P Hah, I'm such a dreamer. BUT I do have some hope because I've found a group of about 8 strands of hair that are straight on the bottom layer of my hair and don't curl anymore. So I'm hoping that all my hair will start to unravel. Don't ruin my dreams, now. :P
Curls: 3a/3b
You could try using henna, I found that it loosened my curl a little (which wasn't what I wanted but it might suit you). Plus if you use proper henna it will be GOOD for your hair rather than bad for it.
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