BB's Flax seed Gel

Does anyone know how to go about ordering from BB and what the ingredients are in the gel? Also, how long does it last since it is homemade? And last but not least how would you rate it next to other gels? I have really coarse porous hair and some gels make my hair feel like dookey, stiff and Drrrrrrrry.
You order it from her Botticelli Botanicals on Etsy. Her FSG is great stuff. It gives good hold with no crunch and tons of shine. There are all kinds of stuff you can add to it too. She is more than willing to answer any questions you might have.
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Does anyone know how to go about ordering from BB and what the ingredients are in the gel? Also, how long does it last since it is homemade? And last but not least how would you rate it next to other gels? I have really coarse porous hair and some gels make my hair feel like dookey, stiff and Drrrrrrrry.
Originally Posted by lovemycurlz
The website lists the ingredients but since you have coarse hair, don't get the silk protein and ask her to add oils. Also depending on where you live, she can add honey/agave nectar (this depends on humidity and environment). Both the honey and agave are humectants and can dry your hair out if you live in a dry climate. They also provide more hold (that stiff quality that gels give). You can add aloe vera, magnesium sulfate and seamollient if your hair tolerates them. These are for moisture (exept the MS, which can dry out the hair, so I wouldn't recommend this for you) and curl definition.

I absolutely hate using gels, but I love this product because it's not really a gel. To me it is more like a super leave in conditioner and a super hair shining serum that has qualities of a gel. Plus I like the idea of using one product to give me soft touchable hair.

It has preservatives but if you keep it in the fridge it will probably lasts 2 week. So if you don't have long hair you can get a small bottle. But ask BB.

Here is the website

http://www.etsy.com/shop.php?user_id=6934569

On the right side bar "Contact BotticelliBontanicals" and tell BB about your hair, the climate where you live, what your hair tolerates, what you want your hair to be like and ask her what she recommends. She is very responsive.

Hope this helps.
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You order it from her Botticelli Botanicals on Etsy. Her FSG is great stuff. It gives good hold with no crunch and tons of shine. There are all kinds of stuff you can add to it too. She is more than willing to answer any questions you might have.
Originally Posted by Jess the Mess
+1!!!
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I absolutely hate using gels, but I love this product because it's not really a gel. To me it is more like a super leave in conditioner and a super hair shining serum that has qualities of a gel. Plus I like the idea of using one product to give me soft touchable hair.
Originally Posted by belasuna

ITA. I use it under almost everything and find that it gives me shine, definition, no frizz and clumps. I use a lot and I don't even feel like there's product in my hair. I have to have a gel over it tho - it won't give much hold on its own.

As for storage - you CAN freeze it and it will last a long time. I got a small squeeze bottle to fill and keep that in my bathroom. The original bottle goes in my freezer - it takes about 2 days to thaw in the fridge when I need to refill my smaller bottle.

Stacy
3a/some b, med/high porosity, med texture

My current HGs:
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut, VO5 Strawberries & Cream
Conditioner: Darcy Botanicals pumpkin, LVPNG, Deva OneC
Leave-in: KCKT, Deva B'Leave In
Cremes: CIAB, pink Boots, Komaza coconut, FSG, CJ CCCC
Gels: BRHG, AO B5, LALSG
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I absolutely hate using gels, but I love this product because it's not really a gel. To me it is more like a super leave in conditioner and a super hair shining serum that has qualities of a gel. Plus I like the idea of using one product to give me soft touchable hair.
Originally Posted by belasuna

ITA. I use it under almost everything and find that it gives me shine, definition, no frizz and clumps.
Stacy
Originally Posted by wookiemouse
+ 1
...

FSG rocks.




Hair Type:3b (I think); Very thick & Lots of it

Hair Loves: Gels
Hair Hates: The Wind, My Hands, Leave-in Conditioner

I hate about my hair: Frizz, Fluff
I love about my hair: Fat Curls, Shine

Product File: No Sulfates, No Cones
Favourite Product Ever: Flaxseed Gel
Does anybody else find her products insanely expensive? I just really can't afford them.

I did order the FSG a couple of months ago but it didn't do much for me -- which is not to say that it isn't a good product. My hair is pretty finicky and needs more oomph than any FSG can provide, I think. I'm just floored by the prices...
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CURL ENHANCERS/CREMES/MOUSSES: KCCC, JoiWhip
GELS: Fuzzy Duck, B5 Design, MGA Scultping, BRHG


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Does anybody else find her products insanely expensive? I just really can't afford them.

I did order the FSG a couple of months ago but it didn't do much for me -- which is not to say that it isn't a good product. My hair is pretty finicky and needs more oomph than any FSG can provide, I think. I'm just floored by the prices...
Originally Posted by jillipoo
I have spent far more on products that i liked WAY less.

I'm cool with it
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Does anybody else find her products insanely expensive? I just really can't afford them.

I did order the FSG a couple of months ago but it didn't do much for me -- which is not to say that it isn't a good product. My hair is pretty finicky and needs more oomph than any FSG can provide, I think. I'm just floored by the prices...
Originally Posted by jillipoo
I think it's subjective to a certain degree. Lots of people make FSG in their own kitchen and have great success others don't want to take the time to make it so they don't mind paying for it. Like you jilli FSG does nothing special for me so it does seem very expensive considering how inexpensive it is to make it and how generous you have to be with it. I also got a sample of her smoothie condish, it wasn't anything special and for $20 I want it to blow me away! I've gotten similar results from my $5 EO condish or the $3 LVPNG that she was replacing after it was discontinued. To each their own, right? But truthfully, I feel better about paying for quality, lab made products like Curl Junkie then home made stuff, but that's just me
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Does anybody else find her products insanely expensive? I just really can't afford them.

I did order the FSG a couple of months ago but it didn't do much for me -- which is not to say that it isn't a good product. My hair is pretty finicky and needs more oomph than any FSG can provide, I think. I'm just floored by the prices...
Originally Posted by jillipoo
That's why I won't buy the products. I won't pay that much for product, nor will I pay that much for something I know I can make in my own kitchen. That's NOT to say that I don't think they're good products. Judging from the rave reviews here, I'm sure they're excellent, but I won't pay those prices. I can't justify it in any way, shape, or form.

One of the problems is that a small business owner isn't able to mass-produce product with a lower profit margin that can be made up in sales volume (I've been there. It's not easy). The small business owner has no choice but to charge higher prices in order to make a decent profit.

But again, I simply cannot justify the price, especially for something I can make in my own kitchen.
Does anybody else find her products insanely expensive? I just really can't afford them.

I did order the FSG a couple of months ago but it didn't do much for me -- which is not to say that it isn't a good product. My hair is pretty finicky and needs more oomph than any FSG can provide, I think. I'm just floored by the prices...
Originally Posted by jillipoo
That's why I won't buy the products. I won't pay that much for product, nor will I pay that much for something I know I can make in my own kitchen. That's NOT to say that I don't think they're good products. Judging from the rave reviews here, I'm sure they're excellent, but I won't pay those prices. I can't justify it in any way, shape, or form.

One of the problems is that a small business owner isn't able to mass-produce product with a lower profit margin that can be made up in sales volume (I've been there. It's not easy). The small business owner has no choice but to charge higher prices in order to make a decent profit.

But again, I simply cannot justify the price, especially for something I can make in my own kitchen.
Originally Posted by JLeighs
lalalala i cant hear you
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Does anybody else find her products insanely expensive? I just really can't afford them.

I did order the FSG a couple of months ago but it didn't do much for me -- which is not to say that it isn't a good product. My hair is pretty finicky and needs more oomph than any FSG can provide, I think. I'm just floored by the prices...
Originally Posted by jillipoo
That's why I won't buy the products. I won't pay that much for product, nor will I pay that much for something I know I can make in my own kitchen. That's NOT to say that I don't think they're good products. Judging from the rave reviews here, I'm sure they're excellent, but I won't pay those prices. I can't justify it in any way, shape, or form.

One of the problems is that a small business owner isn't able to mass-produce product with a lower profit margin that can be made up in sales volume (I've been there. It's not easy). The small business owner has no choice but to charge higher prices in order to make a decent profit.

But again, I simply cannot justify the price, especially for something I can make in my own kitchen.
Originally Posted by JLeighs
lalalala i cant hear you
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Sure you can! Say it with me now: I can hear Jen, I can hear Jen, I can hear Jen....
It's all relative on the cost issue. The FSG lasts me a fairly long time - I've used it 3-4 times a week for about a month now and haven't made a dent in the bottle. And to be able to have it in my hands by simply walking to my mailbox - not dragging my 2 kids out to 15 different stores to find ingredients in 100+ heat, finding spare time to make it when one or the other kid isn't up my butt, keeping them OUT of the ingredients and away from the stove, and dealing with my 4 yr old's incessant questions about it - yeah, I'd probably pay double what she's asking!!!!!

Stacy
3a/some b, med/high porosity, med texture

My current HGs:
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut, VO5 Strawberries & Cream
Conditioner: Darcy Botanicals pumpkin, LVPNG, Deva OneC
Leave-in: KCKT, Deva B'Leave In
Cremes: CIAB, pink Boots, Komaza coconut, FSG, CJ CCCC
Gels: BRHG, AO B5, LALSG
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LOL@rudee. I am so familiar with this type of justification.

However, to address Jiliipoo's question. I will pay a decent amt for a product, however, BB's price per oz that seems just a little high for me. I would LOOOVE to try her conditioner, (its absent all the ingredients that my hair hates), however, its $20 for 8 oz. And I have to pay shipping. For some reason, that's just a price that I don't wanna pay. I can't tell you how long I've been staring at her conditioner.

I think, in the end, I'll prolly order the ingredients and do it up myself. I'll spend more making the stuff, but for the quanity that I get, it will be worth it.

And you know, really, if it were more like $15 bucks for 8 oz, I'd prolly have ordered it already. That's a little expensive for that amt, but $20 for 8oz is beyond my limit.

** Just read Wookiemouses post. And I have to say, if this were 3 years earlier (my child is almost 5), I would have just ordered it. Heck if it were just 2 years earlier.
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Last edited by goobernut; 08-23-2009 at 03:57 PM.
Since we've guanoed the thread, I thought I'd put my two cents in. Was thinking of a PC way of saying it without hurting anyone's feelings. I think Del said it well. I do love FSG, although I only use it once a week. I feel like the FSG as I feel about going out to eat. I'm a great cook, if I go to a restaurant--I want it to be different or better than what I make at home. FSG is so easy and inexpensive to make at home (I just happen to have most of the additives myself so can customize it for me) I couldn't imagine spending money on it. It's hardly more trouble than making a cappuccino (which I do every morning.) I'll buy things I can't make at home and am willing to spend as much for a great product.
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To each her own. I like not having to be bothered shopping and cooking and tweaking it. Perhaps one day I will change my mind.

Curve ball: Imagine how little it costs the larger operations to make some of their products! Its just cause we know how cheaply the FSG can be made that it can be irksome. For all we know lots of other products cost the same to make or less!
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I agree with Kathy Mack -- I ordered BB's FSG and it was nice but I can make it in about 10 min. at home (and that gives me two 15 oz. bottles) and can add my additives that agree with my hair, but each person's situation is different -- if I had small children (which I did years ago and working two jobs), I couldn't even begin to think about making my own. Too much going on with the kids taking my time, but now that I have time, I like making my own. Her products are great though.....
To each her own. I like not having to be bothered shopping and cooking and tweaking it. Perhaps one day I will change my mind.
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Totally agree. I don't have the slightest interest or desire to mess with making my own hair products right now even if it does only take a few minutes to do. Like Rudee, I might change my mind at a later time but for right now my hair loves BB's FSG and with the other products I rotate, it lasts me quite awhile. Plus, I don't mind spending the $$ on something that works well for me and supporting one of our own in the process.
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To each her own. I like not having to be bothered shopping and cooking and tweaking it. Perhaps one day I will change my mind.
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Totally agree. I don't have the slightest interest or desire to mess with making my own hair products right now even if it does only take a few minutes to do. Like Rudee, I might change my mind at a later time but for right now my hair loves BB's FSG and with the other products I rotate, it lasts me quite awhile. Plus, I don't mind spending the $$ on something that works well for me and supporting one of our own in the process.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
ITA.

And she is not the only NC member who has found a way to profit off of us; its business. I like the fact that she did the research, puts the time in etc. Its her product, she created it, she puts a value on it. And, like all businesses she likely charges what the market will bare.

I really need to add to this post.

Thinking about it: She has to order ingredients in bulk, while that might be more cost effective it also costs more investment-wise and in shipping. She orders fancier bottles and labels than those of us who sell or trade stuff on the swaps.

She "cooks" larger batches, which is time consuming; customizes, which is also time consuming. Then she has to bottle, pack and ship, time consuming. Additionally, there is record/bookeeping time and effort. Lastly, she does this on her own from her home, which could easily affect those she shares her home with, so there is an emotional cost as well.

No, I dont think her stuff is over priced.
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Last edited by rudeechick; 08-24-2009 at 09:27 AM. Reason: Add
To each her own. I like not having to be bothered shopping and cooking and tweaking it. Perhaps one day I will change my mind.
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Totally agree. I don't have the slightest interest or desire to mess with making my own hair products right now even if it does only take a few minutes to do. Like Rudee, I might change my mind at a later time but for right now my hair loves BB's FSG and with the other products I rotate, it lasts me quite awhile. Plus, I don't mind spending the $$ on something that works well for me and supporting one of our own in the process.
Originally Posted by msgiblet
ITA.

And she is not the only NC member who has found a way to profit off of us; its business. I like the fact that she did the research, puts the time in etc. Its her product, she created it, she puts a value on it. And, like all businesses she likely charges what the market will bare.

I really need to add to this post.

Thinking about it: She has to order ingredients in bulk, while that might be more cost effective it also costs more investment-wise and in shipping. She orders fancier bottles and labels than those of us who sell or trade stuff on the swaps.

She "cooks" larger batches, which is time consuming; customizes, which is also time consuming. Then she has to bottle, pack and ship, time consuming. Additionally, there is record/bookeeping time and effort. Lastly, she does this on her own from her home, which could easily affect those she shares her home with, so there is an emotional cost as well.

No, I dont think her stuff is over priced.
Originally Posted by rudeechick
I agree with Rudeechick and Msgiblet. The products do seem expensive when compared to others, and yes they are not lab produced. But I also don't know what quality of products the companies who mass produce use. They may use "natural" ingredients, but there are levels of those too, plus they still seem to contain a lot of chemicals. I sell homemade cakes and they are more expensive than store cakes, but they contain quality, all natural, ingredients, are custom and contain a lot of love and time. If you want a cake that tastes good but leaves your mouth with that chemical after-taste then buy a store bought cake. If you want a cake that leaves you only wanting more cake, then spend a littel more and buy my cakes. You can look at BB's products in the same way.

But, IMHO, homemade is always better. If you have the time to make a product. Great. Do it and save money. But if you don't, why not support a worthy business with a great product. Of course BB wants to make a profit, but she does seem to care that her consumer gets the best product. Maybe one day she will have a big enough operation to afford the cost of lab mass manufacturing and sell at reasonable market prices (and I think hers prices are not far off reasonable market prices). Wouldn't you like to know your support helped make it possible.

Just my 2cents to suport BotticelliBotanicals. But I also understand those who think it's too expensive. I can't always afford it as much as I would like. But I will support it when I can.
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