At a loss

Hey all,

I've been trying to follow CG for over a year now. And I'm just never quite happy. My hair is still always frizzy, poofy and it's actually loosing curl. I have this weird mix of super curly strands next to straight ones. And I just got a haircut this morning and my sides are all poofy Granted the stylist combed and brushed my hair as she was cutting, so I'm hoping after a couple of washes some of the poofiness will go down... but I also came straight home to wash my hair and again, I have poof.

I'm at a loss. A friend suggested hot rollers... does anyone use these?

My hair is a 2, not a very strong curl pattern and the hair underneath my canopy is straight. Here is my routine. I have to keep it simple because I don't have alot of money and I also have senstive skin so I can't use things with strong fragarance. I tend to use organic, fragance free products.

Anyway: wash with AOHR
ACV once a week as a shampoo
sugar scalp scrub once a week for my dandruff

After wash, apply medium hold Cruelle organic gel, spray with a homemade leave in conditioning spray (I make this with the bits of conditioner left in near-empty bottles, water and a bit of seasalt as ocean water tends to bring out my curl). Then I scrunch with a TV and clip up my hair.

I'm thinking I might try the hot rollers, but my hair is so thick I honestly can't see these working. But I'm also thinking I might need some kind of curl enhancing spray. Any suggestions?

From the pictures, I hate the poofy right side and how is just falls and ends rather than blends and I have that one straight area next to my face on the left. The second pic shows all this and the frizz better. In the pic of the back of my head, my hair is half frizzy mess, half curl.
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Last edited by enelya; 08-21-2009 at 01:43 PM.
i'm pretty unfamiliar with the CG process and timeline (have never really done it myself- only a few elements of it), but i would say that it very well may be that it's just not suited to you and your hair. i know that plenty of folks have great results with it, but i don't believe that it could possibly work for everyone. it's tricky because it seems to require a bit of investment in time before you see if it's working or not, and then, if it's not, it's probably hard to throw in the towel then.

i would suggest that maybe you modify your routine and start incorporating some sulfate-free cleansers? since your hair is thick and you've got lots of it, all the moisturizing effects of co-washing could be weighing it down. i have finer hair and it definitely feels more bouncy after a good cleansing.

good luck! and your hair is awful pretty anyway, curls or no!
Mel- 3b, blonde, normal to fine, chin-length.
Hey all,

I've been trying to follow CG for over a year now. And I'm just never quite happy. My hair is still always frizzy, poofy and it's actually loosing curl. I have this weird mix of super curly strands next to straight ones. And I just got a haircut this morning and my sides are all poofy Granted the stylist combed and brushed my hair as she was cutting, so I'm hoping after a couple of washes some of the poofiness will go down... but I also came straight home to wash my hair and again, I have poof.

I'm at a loss. A friend suggested hot rollers... does anyone use these?

My hair is a 2, not a very strong curl pattern and the hair underneath my canopy is straight. Here is my routine. I have to keep it simple because I don't have alot of money and I also have senstive skin so I can't use things with strong fragarance. I tend to use organic, fragance free products.

Anyway: wash with AOHR
ACV once a week as a shampoo
sugar scalp scrub once a week for my dandruff

After wash, apply medium hold Cruelle organic gel, spray with a homemade leave in conditioning spray (I make this with the bits of conditioner left in near-empty bottles, water and a bit of seasalt as ocean water tends to bring out my curl). Then I scrunch with a TV and clip up my hair.

I'm thinking I might try the hot rollers, but my hair is so thick I honestly can't see these working. But I'm also thinking I might need some kind of curl enhancing spray. Any suggestions?

From the pictures, I hate the poofy right side and how is just falls and ends rather than blends and I have that one straight area next to my face on the left. The second pic shows all this and the frizz better. In the pic of the back of my head, my hair is half frizzy mess, half curl.
Originally Posted by enelya
I think your hair is actually quite lovely...it is alot like my daughters hair. I don't see it has poofy or frizzy at all, but then we all have different tolerance levels for that I suspect! Mine is set way high by necessity!

If your hair likes the saltwater, you might do really well with something with the mag sulfate in it...like the Jessicurl Rockin' Ringlets...its a curling lotion and it really tightens up the curls! Someone feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken here!
CG since June 12, 2009
Type: 3a and 3B mix, fine, high-med porosity, low density on top (uhg), medium in back...
Co-wash: EO Rosemary Mint, Suave, or Jessicurl Cleansing Cream
Leave-in: Jessicurl Too Shea, or whatever I co-washed with.
Styling/Gel: KCCC, Aussie Opposites Attract spray gel, CJ Smoothing Gelee Jessicurl RR and CC
Technique: Clip and air dry

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is it possible the seasalt is drying out your hair?

Does your hair like protein? w/ an ACV rinse after? that really makes curls pop ususally if you hair is on the fine side. IF you are using ACV regularly without protein maybe it is drying you out too? Do you do deep moisture treatments at all? Or Deep protein treatments?

Maybe trying the homemade Flax seed gel would give some definition and hold for styling and moisture retention. There's definitely no nasties in that.
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The AOHR may be too rich for all the time use--especially if you have high dewpoints. I can only use the AO conditioners as my rinse out twice a week in the dry, cold winter and not at all in the summer. You may be over conditioned.

I agree that the salt water might be causing you problems, too. There are tons of great curl enhancing products you can use. My hair likes the more natural lines, such as Curl Junkie, Komaza, CURLS Curly Q, Donna Marie, and Kinky Curly to name a few.

Also, according to the CG book--wavies are supposed to lowpoo once a week. You may want to try doing that every so often. I use the natural soap bars to cleanse with no problem. They are currently getting some scrutiny after a recent Curl Chemist article, but I've had not problems after a year of using them every three days.
3a (Corkicelli), highlighted, fine, low porosity
modified CG, since April '07
CG since 3/11/08

SE PA

HGs: Anything Sevi; Curly Kinks Satin Roots, Curlycue ReNew and Coil Jam; homemade FSG and okra gel; soap bars; UFD Curly Magic; Botanical Spirits Jellies, CJ Repair Me, Marie Dean Leave Ins and Curl Creams
I have 2b hair and I know how frustrating it can be to have some sections be curlier than others, and even to have almost straight sections. My deva stylist today told me I have an "interesting head" when she was cutting me today!! Anyway, here are a few thoughts I have about the trials and tribulations of 2 something hair--
first of all, your hair is really beautiful! I also have a poofy section on the right side of my hair because I have a side part and a lot of the hair goes there. My hair stylist is excellent at cutting that and blending it in such a way that it does not stick out anymore, so I strongly recommend getting a stylist (if you don't have one already) that is very familiar with curlier/wavier hair and will cut your hair when it is dry--that makes all the difference for me because my stylist can then see the really poofy, inconsistent parts.
Next--I agree that you should try some other products. I also think the Jessicurls products with mag sulfate may be more helpful. I also found the AOHR was way to conditioning and too heavy for my fine hair---it is very fine but I have a lot of it so my hair density overall is very thick, but heavy conditioners like AOHR weigh down my curls and make my hair look really weird.
I also would be careful how often you use the ACV rinses--I use it 2 times a week tops, and only to balance out my pH after using shampoo bars. Also--2's often need to shampoo or low-poo more than other curlies--I use either organic shampoo bars or Mop Top's gentle clarifying shampoo once or twice a week.
That's all I can think of for now--good luck and let us know how it goes!!
Hair type: 2b, wavy/curly, color treated, fine texture but high density
Modified CG since 6/14/09
Products currently rotating: Organic soap bars, ACV rinse, KBB milk, Fuzzy duck gel, BB Gelee, KCCC, Komaza curl pudding, Goddess Glaze, Mop Top shampoo and condish, Gelatine Goo, Burt's Bees More Moisture condish.
I think my hair likes protein!!
I can't help, but I just want to say, I can see your unhappiness as far as the frizz. But you have SUCH... healthy? hair, I envy that amazing thick blunt end on it--I think my hair will never have that. Gorgeous.

Although, like others have said, maybe cg doesn't work for you. Since you're a wavy who (apparently?) can wash more often with less issues, maybe you can get away with cones, if those help.
3a in Paris
I use:
Garnier Ultra Doux conditioners
High in glycerin conditioners
As much gel as possible
Testing out flax seed gel
Plopping, for around 30 minutes
Pixiecurl drying
Pineappling

Thanks for the advice ladies! I think I'll get rid of the homemade sea salt spray and in the future make a conditioning spray of just water and left over conditioner sans the salt.

I also think I'll order some a Jessicurl defintion spray. I like Jessicurl's no fragance option (sythentic fragarances can give me headaches and aggravate my skin and scalp).

And I'll try shampooing (rather than ACV) and the AOHR once a week. But winter is coming up and I'm moving from the westcoast to the eastcoast, so winter this year is going to be alot colder than I am used to. A heavier conditioner like AOHR might come in handy (or at least I hope so, I have two bottles of it ).

In the meantime I have two other conditioners I might try for use throughout the rest of the week. I stopped using them because I had alot of frizz with them, but maybe I was using too much / not enough or something...How to these sound?

Curelle Riche Conditioner: Purified Water; Behentrimonium Methosulpahte... not the toxic sulphate; Hydrolysed Wheat Proteins; Wheat Oligosaccharides; Cetearyl Alcohol (non-drying); Lonicera Japonica

Whole Foods 365 Organic Frangance Free Conditioner: Aqua, Cetearyl alcohol, PEG-40 Castrol oil, Stearalkonium chloride, Glyceryl stearate, Benzyl alcohol, Glycerin, Dehydroacetic acid, Sodium citrate, Panthenol, Chamomilla recutita (Martricaria) flower extract, Tocopherol, Aloe barbadensis leaf

And i have this as a shampoo:

Curelle Hydra Shampoo: Purified Water; Decyl Polyglucose NA Coco Hydrolysed Soy Protein Sucrose Cocoate Hydrolysed Wheat Protein; Wheat Oligosaccharides; Xanthan Gum; Panthenol; Lonicera Japonica; Citric Acid
One thing you haven't mentioned is how you're applying your products. One thing I've learned is that application is the most important part! I'm a wavy too, and I struggled with frizz for a long time but it's a lot better since going CG (I do low-poo twice a week).

So are you combing the gel in or scrunching it in? Do you diffuse or air dry? Have you tried plopping?
2c/medium texture, thickness and porosity

Currently using

Low-poo (two or three times per week): Burt's Bees Super Shiny Grapefruit and Sugar Beet shampoo
COwash/LI: VO5 Herbal Escapes Free Me Freesia, VO5 Tea Therapy vanilla mint clarifying conditioner
Condish: GVP conditioning balm
Syling: CK, FSG, KCCC, LALooks gel, iStyle heat protectant spray, KC gloss pomade
I actually "raked\" (I guess is the term) the gel. I rub it in my palms, smooth it across my hair (which straightens it) and then scrunch with a t-shirt (this is the only time I scrunch). I follow this by clipping. I find that if I scrunch the gel in, it's too much scrunching twice- for the gel and to dry with the t-shirt.
I think your shampoo and conditioner sounds fine. The products have some good proteins in them as well. You don't mention your texture/porosity. I don't believe your curl type has anything to do with what products your use. If your hair is fine to medium, a good shot of protein followed by a DT might help your curls to snap back a bit.

Fine hair needs regular protein and light moisture on an ongoing basis once you reach a good balance. You might find http://www.livecurlylivefree.com helpful in determining your texture and porosity.
3b spirals, fine texture, normal porosity, dense
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Deva Low Poo
Suave Naturals Coconut for detangling
Renpure Organics conditioner/leave-in
Homemade FSG
KCCC
Curl Junkie Stuff
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