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Tomorrow Never Knows 08-27-2009 01:31 AM

Protein-Free Conditioners
 
Anyone found any new ones lately, or tried anything new? The main protein-free ones I'm familiar with are AOWC, AOHR, and Burt's Bees Super Shiny Grapefruit and Sugar Beet. Could anyone suggest a deeper moisturizer? I know a lot of people say they find AOWC and AOHR highly moisturizing, enough to use as a DT, but I'm using them in huge quantities (I go through a bottle in 4 days) and my hair is still dry. Is there something in a similar price range I could use as a protein-free DT?

tinah 08-27-2009 10:14 AM

GVP CB is pretty good and protein free. You could always buy a cheap conditioner like Suave Daily clarifying (protein free) and pump it up with some olive oil and AVG and honey and use that as a deep treatment.

onethousandcurls 08-27-2009 11:55 AM

I second amping up a conditioner with honey. Really worked for me.

etripoli 08-27-2009 12:16 PM

Me too! I add honey and EVOO to some Suave conditioner once a week. Wait let me rephrase that, I add a little Suave conditioner to my honey and EVOO once per week!

My hair was so dry though that I did it every other day for a little over a week before I switched to weekly treatments. I love it!

Tomorrow Never Knows 08-27-2009 03:58 PM

I've been using honey mixed with my AOHR sometimes. In fact I did it last night and am happy with the results. I've been steering away from adding extra oils because I have low porosity hair and don't need it to seal, and oils themselves are hydrophobic and therefore can't moisturize. But I think the AVG would be a good idea! I need to pick up that conditioning balm too.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...g2.html?cat=69

hmixon 08-27-2009 04:56 PM

see my siggie for high quality conditioners that are protein free (except Elucence- that has some brewer's yeast extract but it doesn't bother me at all)

You can get most of these from curlmart- the higher price tag pays off in quality and results!

Jess the Mess 08-27-2009 04:59 PM

Bed Head Moisture Maniac is great and JCWDT is an awesome DT. I also used the GVP condish balm all winter, it makes a good rinse out or DT.

memes 08-29-2009 04:09 PM

JC WDT
Biolage Conditioning Balm or knock off
Aura Cherry and Almond Bark
Juice Organics Pomsmooth

..not DTs but heavier protein free conditioners that I don't need to use a huge amount of.

mrl234 08-31-2009 11:17 AM

GVP Conditioning Balm - especially nice with some honey or agave added
Loreal Vive Pro Hydra-Gloss for Very Dry Hair - has one cone low on the ingredients list that hasn't caused me problems in the months I've been using it
some of the other Aubrey ones are also protein free and maybe a little less oily and flowery than AOHR - Blue Camelia and Island Naturals are some examples, I think, but I could have the names wrong

Lucky Charm 08-31-2009 11:47 AM

I was looking to try AOWC after my bottle of HR runs out. I was excited to see it in this thread, but when I went to the AO website, the description reads:
Quote:

Tame unruly hair with this ultra-smoothing shampoo. Protein-enriched, moisturizing formula strengthens as it protects against heat damage and breakage, restoring manageability for the look you want—whether it's silky, shiny lengths or soft, controlled curls.

INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, White Camellia Oil, Wheat Germ Oil; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile and Yarrow; Organic Geranium Oil, Organic Rosemary Oil, Organic Sage Oil, Carrot Oil, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E).
My hair really hates proteins, so I think this might be a no-go :-( . I'll repurchase AOHR next time

NaturallyCurlyEnnovy 08-31-2009 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky Charm (Post 1086013)
I was looking to try AOWC after my bottle of HR runs out. I was excited to see it in this thread, but when I went to the AO website, the description reads:
Quote:

Tame unruly hair with this ultra-smoothing shampoo. Protein-enriched, moisturizing formula strengthens as it protects against heat damage and breakage, restoring manageability for the look you want—whether it's silky, shiny lengths or soft, controlled curls.

INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, White Camellia Oil, Wheat Germ Oil; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile and Yarrow; Organic Geranium Oil, Organic Rosemary Oil, Organic Sage Oil, Carrot Oil, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E).
My hair really hates proteins, so I think this might be a no-go :-( . I'll repurchase AOHR next time

All of the Aubrey Organics Conditioners have Wheat Germ Oil in them which is a protein and the only protein that I can see. But, I could be wrong. I acutally tried the AOWC (Wheat Germ Oil is 5th ingredient) this past week-end and loved it. However, today my scalp is seriously itching. Which is the affect certain proteins have on my scalp. I will add this one to the list. I am going to try adding Tea Tree EO to it to see if it would help because this is the BEST conditioner I have used in my life. Not even exaggerating.

Only thing I can see is maybe it AOWC has more Wheat Germ Oil than the other condishes???? Just to give ingredients of the most popular condishes!

AOHR (Wheat Germ Oil is 4th ingredient)
INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Organic Shea Butter, Wheat Germ Oil, Organic Jojoba Oil, Organic Rosa Mosqueta® Rose Hip Seed Oil; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile, Yarrow, Chrysanthemum, Angelica, Forsythia and Magnolia; Honeysuckle Oil, Carrot Oil, Aubrey’s Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E).

AO Island Naturals (Wheat Germ Oil is 3rd ingredient)
INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Wheat Germ Oil, Almond Protein; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile and Yarrow; Organic Coconut Milk, Jojoba Butter, Organic Shea Butter, Horsetail Extract, Coltsfoot Extract, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E), Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Rosemary Oil, Pimenta Leaf Oil, Allspice Powder, Organic Sage Oil, Carrot Oil.

Jusduit 08-31-2009 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaturallyCurlyEnnovy (Post 1086143)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucky Charm (Post 1086013)
I was looking to try AOWC after my bottle of HR runs out. I was excited to see it in this thread, but when I went to the AO website, the description reads:
Quote:

Tame unruly hair with this ultra-smoothing shampoo. Protein-enriched, moisturizing formula strengthens as it protects against heat damage and breakage, restoring manageability for the look you want—whether it's silky, shiny lengths or soft, controlled curls.

INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, White Camellia Oil, Wheat Germ Oil; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile and Yarrow; Organic Geranium Oil, Organic Rosemary Oil, Organic Sage Oil, Carrot Oil, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E).
My hair really hates proteins, so I think this might be a no-go :-( . I'll repurchase AOHR next time

All of the Aubrey Organics Conditioners have Wheat Germ Oil in them which is a protein and the only protein that I can see. But, I could be wrong. I acutally tried the AOWC (Wheat Germ Oil is 5th ingredient) this past week-end and loved it. However, today my scalp is seriously itching. Which is the affect certain proteins have on my scalp. I will add this one to the list. I am going to try adding Tea Tree EO to it to see if it would help because this is the BEST conditioner I have used in my life. Not even exaggerating.

Only thing I can see is maybe it AOWC has more Wheat Germ Oil than the other condishes???? Just to give ingredients of the most popular condishes!

AOHR (Wheat Germ Oil is 4th ingredient)
INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Organic Shea Butter, Wheat Germ Oil, Organic Jojoba Oil, Organic Rosa Mosqueta® Rose Hip Seed Oil; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile, Yarrow, Chrysanthemum, Angelica, Forsythia and Magnolia; Honeysuckle Oil, Carrot Oil, Aubrey’s Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E).

AO Island Naturals (Wheat Germ Oil is 3rd ingredient)
INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Wheat Germ Oil, Almond Protein; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile and Yarrow; Organic Coconut Milk, Jojoba Butter, Organic Shea Butter, Horsetail Extract, Coltsfoot Extract, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E), Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Rosemary Oil, Pimenta Leaf Oil, Allspice Powder, Organic Sage Oil, Carrot Oil.


Hmmm, that's interesting. According to the CurlChemist article a few months ago....."oils used in cosmetics and personal care products should contain no more than trace amounts of protein, if any at all."

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...wheat-germ-oil

So if it's not the wheat germ oil that makes the AWOC "Protein-enriched," then what else could it be? :dontknow:

Lucky Charm 08-31-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jusduit (Post 1086561)
Hmmm, that interesting. According to the CurlChemist article a few months ago....."oils used in cosmetics and personal care products should contain no more than trace amounts of protein, if any at all."

http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...wheat-germ-oil

So if it's not the wheat germ oil that makes the AWOC "Protein-enriched," then what else could it be? :dontknow:

Im so confused now haha, why must hair be so picky??

Magoo 09-01-2009 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaturallyCurlyEnnovy (Post 1086143)
INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Organic Shea Butter, Wheat Germ Oil, Organic Jojoba Oil, Organic Rosa Mosqueta® Rose Hip Seed Oil; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile, Yarrow, Chrysanthemum, Angelica, Forsythia and Magnolia; Honeysuckle Oil, Carrot Oil, Aubrey’s Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E).

AO Island Naturals (Wheat Germ Oil is 3rd ingredient)
INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Wheat Germ Oil, Almond Protein; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile and Yarrow; Organic Coconut Milk, Jojoba Butter, Organic Shea Butter, Horsetail Extract, Coltsfoot Extract, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E), Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Rosemary Oil, Pimenta Leaf Oil, Allspice Powder, Organic Sage Oil, Carrot Oil.

Isn't Hops a form of grain? Maybe that's where the protein comes from.

Tomorrow Never Knows 09-01-2009 06:04 PM

The website is actually incorrect and doesn't properly list the info about AOWC, which is protein-free...I'll bump up the thread that I made about AOWC and protein.

Wheat germ oil is a pure fat and thus has no protein in it.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fats-and-oils/505/2

In another thread on low porosity hair someone stated that I should avoid parabens since my hair already has a hard time absorbing moisture. Does that mean the GVP conditioning balm is ruled out? :sad7:

barrMD130 09-01-2009 08:47 PM

Those who use the olive oil and honey mixture for deep treatments..how much of each?
Also, how do I know if my hair needs protein or not?

3a, med texture, normal/high porosity
Co-wash: Suave natural coconut
Condish: same (looking for better condish for my rinse out)
Style: AG recoil and fructise garnier curling spray

Tomorrow Never Knows 09-02-2009 02:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by barrMD130 (Post 1087761)
Those who use the olive oil and honey mixture for deep treatments..how much of each?
Also, how do I know if my hair needs protein or not?

3a, med texture, normal/high porosity
Co-wash: Suave natural coconut
Condish: same (looking for better condish for my rinse out)
Style: AG recoil and fructise garnier curling spray

This is a great link for helping to determine whether or not you need protein.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...re.html?cat=69

But basically, to sum it up...your hair texture/porosity and its elasticity play major roles in determining whether or not you need protein. If you have hair that is closer to the coarser end of the texture spectrum, then it is less likely that you will need protein as coarse hair already contains a lot of protein in its structure. Since you have medium texture, your hair texture won't help you determine whether or not you need protein as much. If you have porous hair, protein will help "plug" the holes in the hair cuticle to prevent moisture from exiting so readily. The other major factor is how easily your hair breaks. Next time you're in the shower, see how much your hair stretches. If you pull out a few hairs and stretch them, do they seem to stretch a lot before breaking or just snap? In general, when your hair is dry or wet, does your hair tend to snap easily? If so, it's likely that you need moisture. If your hair feels hard, you probably have a build up of protein. If your hair feels mushy, you likely have a build up of moisture. Make sense?

Tomorrow Never Knows 09-07-2009 11:58 PM

Anything else? Please? I feel like all the products I think could work end up containing an ingredient I can't use. I need more suggestions!

redcelticcurls 09-08-2009 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magoo (Post 1087332)
Quote:

Originally Posted by NaturallyCurlyEnnovy (Post 1086143)
INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Organic Shea Butter, Wheat Germ Oil, Organic Jojoba Oil, Organic Rosa Mosqueta® Rose Hip Seed Oil; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile, Yarrow, Chrysanthemum, Angelica, Forsythia and Magnolia; Honeysuckle Oil, Carrot Oil, Aubrey’s Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E).

AO Island Naturals (Wheat Germ Oil is 3rd ingredient)
INGREDIENTS: Coconut Fatty Acid Cream Base, Organic Aloe Vera, Wheat Germ Oil, Almond Protein; Extracts of Fennel, Hops, Balm Mint, Mistletoe, Camomile and Yarrow; Organic Coconut Milk, Jojoba Butter, Organic Shea Butter, Horsetail Extract, Coltsfoot Extract, Aubrey's Preservative (Citrus Seed Extract, Vitamins A, C and E), Vegetable Glycerin, Organic Rosemary Oil, Pimenta Leaf Oil, Allspice Powder, Organic Sage Oil, Carrot Oil.

Isn't Hops a form of grain? Maybe that's where the protein comes from.

Any plant extract may contain some proteins. Fewer people react to them unless they are in really high concentrations, or you (gy) just have a sensitivity to that specific plant.

redcelticcurls 09-08-2009 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomorrow Never Knows (Post 1093680)
Anything else? Please? I feel like all the products I think could work end up containing an ingredient I can't use. I need more suggestions!

Curl Junkie Curl Rehab, if you are willing to pay the price. It is quite good.


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