What have I done to my hair?!

I used to have baby-fine golden-brown hair with slight waves. In middle school I used to wash it at night, braid it, and then just take it out in the morning.
Then, in a fit of rebellion, I bleached my hair, dyed it pink, then blue, then brown, red, black, and then brown again.

I think every time I've dyed my hair it has gotten more curly. Is that possible? Now I have tight, vertical corkscrews that look like... sausage ringlets. My hair is unbelievably frizzy and dry. It falls out really easily, too. And its so coarse! I didn't even realize the extent of it until I just saw one strand and realized- its like a PUBE for gods' sake!

I'm so frustrated by now that I'd like to cut the whole tangled mess off. But, I don't have the face for it, plus my mom would murder me (I'm 17.) Right now, its shoulder-length (I never get my hair 'styled'- just the ends trimmed.)

What should I do? I would love to have smooth, gently wavy hair. I don't think that will ever happen again, though. Have I ruined my hair forever? And, please don't suggest CG. Sorry, but not washing your hair? Thats just yucky.


By the way, I'm new here. Hi. Mary Louise-Parker (Nancy Botwin from Weeds) is my hair idol.
Then, in a fit of rebellion, I bleached my hair, dyed it pink, then blue, then brown, red, black, and then brown again.

My hair is unbelievably frizzy and dry. It falls out really easily, too. And its so coarse! !
Originally Posted by Bubbleparty
Wow! That's a lot of colors.
I believe your hair is looking coarse right now because the bleaching has changed the texture of your hair.

I'm so frustrated by now that I'd like to cut the whole tangled mess off. But, I don't have the face for it, plus my mom would murder me (I'm 17.) Right now, its shoulder-length (I never get my hair 'styled'- just the ends trimmed.)

What should I do?
Originally Posted by Bubbleparty
Consider getting as short a hair cut as you and your mom can agree on. For this visit, just go to a walk-in place (cheap haircut) - and get as much cut off as you can.
Then you are going to have to wait and wait and wait for your hair to grow out.

I would love to have smooth, gently wavy hair. I don't think that will ever happen again, though.
Originally Posted by Bubbleparty
Well, if you lay off the bleaching and coloring and give your hair a chance to grow out new, undamaged hair, you WILL have hair you like again. Its just going to take a lot of time.

The hair you have at 17 or 18 might not be the same as the hair you had when you were younger.


Fine/medium hair, medium porosity and density. Elastic, but not too elastic.

Various shades of grey and white
4" uniform layer cut.

2c/3a

Kinky-Curly Come Clean and Knot Today.
Shea Moisture Masque couple times a month.
I used to have baby-fine golden-brown hair with slight waves. In middle school I used to wash it at night, braid it, and then just take it out in the morning.
Then, in a fit of rebellion, I bleached my hair, dyed it pink, then blue, then brown, red, black, and then brown again.

I think every time I've dyed my hair it has gotten more curly. Is that possible? Now I have tight, vertical corkscrews that look like... sausage ringlets. My hair is unbelievably frizzy and dry. It falls out really easily, too. And its so coarse! I didn't even realize the extent of it until I just saw one strand and realized- its like a PUBE for gods' sake!

I'm so frustrated by now that I'd like to cut the whole tangled mess off. But, I don't have the face for it, plus my mom would murder me (I'm 17.) Right now, its shoulder-length (I never get my hair 'styled'- just the ends trimmed.)

What should I do? I would love to have smooth, gently wavy hair. I don't think that will ever happen again, though. Have I ruined my hair forever? And, please don't suggest CG. Sorry, but not washing your hair? Thats just yucky.


By the way, I'm new here. Hi. Mary Louise-Parker (Nancy Botwin from Weeds) is my hair idol.
Originally Posted by Bubbleparty
You might want to consider doing a protein treatment.

And just for the record... we ALL wash our hair. We are not icky. We don't smell bad. Our hair is clean and beautiful (have you seen the before and after thread)? We just choose not to use the same harsh stripping detergents that you choose to use. Perhaps a better choice of words would get you more help.
CG - 3/27/09
3b - dry - medium texture/medium porosity!
Co wash/rinseout/leave in: currently auditioning products
Styling: lube and BRHG
Whether you want to hear it or not, CG would most likely work.
We do wash our hair. Just because one does not use a harsh shampoo doesn't mean we don't clean our hair. My hair smells nice and my scalp is clean and I only use conditioner on it every other day to every three days.
Just the friction of your fingers on your scalp would be enough.
There is an adjustment period where your hair will look worse because it has to adjust how much oil it produces.
Cleanser: Liquid Castile Soap diluted in a foaming soap dispenser
Rinse:
ACV rinse
Detangler/Conditioner:
Oyin Handmade Greg Juice or Juices and Berries
Stylers: Botticelli Botanicals Styling Mudd, KCCC, Honey Rinses and BRHG, Crack Leave-in Hair Cream when straightening

Tools: Silk pillowcase, Floursack towels, Jersey T-Shirts, Wide Tooth Comb, Velecta Paramount TGR-VQX Hair Dryer (for when I straighten) and BaByliss PRO Ionic Rollabout Hard Hat Dryer
If you want to improve your hair then, unfortunately, CG is probably the best thing your hair needs. And CG does not mean you don't wash your hair. You just don't wash your hair with shampoos. You wash your hair with conditioners. Conditioners actually have similar cleaners in them that shampoos do, but they are milder and moisturize as well as clean. It is actually the scrubbing that cleans your hair and all of us who have been CG have very clean hair and its in better shape than most other hair. There is also modified CG where you wash with a gentle low lathering shampoo that has natural ingredients and no harsh chemicals. This is an alternative if you can't get over the "yuckiness" of washing with conditioners only.

If you continue washing your hair with shampoos especially with it being so damaged, it will continue to be dry and break and fall out. And it will never be soft and silky.

For immediate repair you can use protein treatments like Joico Kpac or Nexxus Emergencee. This is what people use who have fried their hair with constant dying or straightening. Follow the protein treatment with an intensive moisture treatment (leave a rich conditioner--you can even add olive oil to it to make it even better--on you hair for at least an hour, then rinse out). This should help somewhat, but like I said if you go back to your old routine of washing with shampoo and possibly using products with silicones, in the long run, it will make your hair worse.

The curlies on this site willingly give their advice (which they have learned from experience) to help others. If you really want better hair, perhaps you should have more of an open mind and take some of the good advice offered here.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders

Last edited by belasuna; 09-02-2009 at 04:59 PM.
I would agree with the previous posters that if you are looking for a non-cg method for caring for your hair, this is probably not the community for you.

I would also like to tell you that your hair probably is curlier than it used to be. Not from coloring, but from hormonal changes that occur during your teenage years. It is very common to go from slightly wavy to very curly hair during your teen years. It can also happen again after childbirth. Most people on this board would love to have sausage-like ringlets. With the right care, your curls could be gorgeous. But continuing to strip them daily with harsh shampoos, then coating them with silicones will only make you hate your hair more.
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2c/3a SL med/fine
Started CG in 6/08 Fell off the wagon 10/08, Back on since 7/09
Co-Wash- VO5 Vanilla Mint
Low Poo once/week- KCCC
R/O and L/I Tigi Moisture Maniac
Gels-BRHG and LA Looks Curl (also like Aquage)
Experimenting with GVP K-Pac, and loving it
Location-Tampa/Orlando corridor
Learning to love my curls one day at time
Ah, I knew saying that would get me flamed.

I mean, I know aaalll about the subject, I just personally think its not for me.
And actually, my opinion of that is actually based on the before and after thread. I'm trying really hard not to sound mean, and I don't mean to offend anyone, but I just... don't like it. My main problem is that, I would rather have wavy-curly hair as opposed to curly-curly, and from what I can tell CG makes your hair pretty much uniformly curly. I also don't like how you have to heap on all that conditioner.

I wash my hair every 2-3 days with a sulfate-free natural shampoo, and then use some light conditioner.

I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone, I'm just explaining my personal opinion.
Thanks for all the help, though. I have another question: when the dye wears off, will my hair get even a tiny bit finer? I know it will still be dry and damaged, but like.. does the add volume?
you're entitled to your opinion but calling it "icky" calls all of us "icky" understand that. There's nothing wrong with saying it's not for you. It doesn't make your hair any curlier than your hair actually is.

The dye will not wear off and change your hair back to what it was. Using the dye permanently damages the hair it touches. The only way to remove the damage is to cut it off. The new growth - that hasn't been dyed will not be in the same shape. When it grows out some - if you don't dye it again - you will notice a definite difference on a single strand of hair from where the dye ends and the natural (undyed) part begins.

Hair is dead. Once it leaves the scalp it's all dead. Once it's damaged it can't be undone. There are things that can help to make it feel better and mask the damage but it doesn't heal itself. The best thing you can do is just start handling it more gently and being good to it.
CG - 3/27/09
3b - dry - medium texture/medium porosity!
Co wash/rinseout/leave in: currently auditioning products
Styling: lube and BRHG
Thanks for all your advice.
Anyone else?

I wash my hair every 2-3 days with a sulfate-free natural shampoo, and then use some light conditioner.
Originally Posted by Bubbleparty
Try putting conditioner in the ends & lengths of your hair every day, not just on days that you shampoo. You'll get extra moisture without going CG and moisture really is the best way to get your hair back to its health state. Also try to avoid heat styling as you will only perpetuate the damage.
Fine, very porous 3a
Boycotting all brands owned by L'oreal

Thats a lot of chemicals for your hair, it is in the condition it is because it is damaged. You can't undo the damage that is already done, you can only do things with your hair to make it look better and grow your healthy hair out. I don't think that any of the methods that are used in these forums sound like something your interested in however. Your hair is damaged, it needs to be moisturized and to do that you need to HEAP on conditioner.. but you say you don't like to do that. You can cut off the damaged hair and start over, but you say you don't want to do that. You are already using a sulfate free shampoo which is a plus.

Why not look into getting a keratin treatment on your hair, it is good for your hair and it will drag down your curls
Thanks, Jackie

Type - 3A fine and thin
my routine is a work in progress

low poo - Giovanni Smooth as Silk
co wash - Suave Naturals Coconut
Leave in - Curl-it-up or same as co-wash
Stylers - CK, ecostyler, ISO bouncy creme, HETT, Bioterra curl creme
Yes, a keratin treatment might work for you and create more of a wavy look. Keratin is a protein already in the hair and will probably be good for you in general, since it will help repair the damage. There is the brazilian type and the japanese type. You can investigate the differences on google. some of the chemicals they use contain formaldaheyde so make sure you go to a reputable salon that doesn't use formaldaheydes in their treatement. And just be aware, they are expensive.

If you do decide to do this, I think you will need to moisturize your hair more in order to keep it healthy. Also in the mean time, use a moisturizing conditioner as a leave in prior to putting in any styling products on a daily basis. This will also help your hair and pull down the weight of the curls making it more wavy. If you use the right amount it should not make your hair greasy.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
I wash my hair every 2-3 days with a sulfate-free natural shampoo, and then use some light conditioner.
Originally Posted by Bubbleparty
You might want to try a heavier conditioner rather than a light conditioner. You may want to try a leave in.

Use the google custom search at the top right corner so you can search for products that helped some CG'ers loosen their curls.
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2b/3a medium/coarse semi-porous/iii
White Rain Ocean Mist GVP conditioning balm. Bioterra/LA Looks. Air dry. SOTC w/LOOB..I think its my first HG.
Experimenting with homemade recipes.
Bubbleparty -
While I am pro CG (it has changed my life for the best!) I won't push it on you as you have already voiced your opinion and came here for suggestions.
Here are mine...
1. Continuing to damage your hair will only make it more unruly. Get some good deep conditioning treatments going twice a week that include protein (maybe only once a week) to help repair some of the damage if possible. In the end though, it will require regular trims to get back to healthy.

2. Stop using shampoos with sodium laureth sulfate in them (ie: most shampoos you buy at the drug store). Opt for an organic shampoo that doesn't contain harsh chemicals. Many people like Giovanni or Burts Bee's brands and ONLY use it when you feel you need to, unless you're working up a sweat and then rolling your head in a sandbox everyday there is no need to wash daily. And follow up with a moisturizing leave in conditioner every day.

3. Stay away from heat in the form of blow dryers, straighteners, and curlinig irons, they will continue to reinforce damage.

4. Lurk on these boards to get great information. Sometimes just reading through others questions that have similar issues you can get some great advice.

5. Most importantly - Realize that (like another poster already said) your body, including your hair, is changing rapidly in your teen years. I used to have much less curly hair than I do now, then when I was pregnant it went almost completely straight, now it's the curliest it's ever been and I'm almost 30. Learn to work WITH your hair instead of hating it, you may wish you had different texture or curl pattern, but you will be the most beautiful YOU when you accept yourself the way you are.

Hope this helps.

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Current HG routine: Tresemme Naturals conditioner; AG Fast Food LI; AG Recoil; CJ CIAB = no crunch, lots of body and awesome definition


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My main problem is that, I would rather have wavy-curly hair as opposed to curly-curly, and from what I can tell CG makes your hair pretty much uniformly curly. I also don't like how you have to heap on all that conditioner.

I wash my hair every 2-3 days with a sulfate-free natural shampoo, and then use some light conditioner.
Originally Posted by Bubbleparty
Sorry I didn't see this part before. Yes washing your hear every 2-3 days with a non-sulfate shampoo is great. However what you would rather have and what you do have are always two different things. Naturally curly hair is going to be drier and require more conditioner - more than you think. If you're shampooing and using a silicone free conditioner feel free to pile it on, it will only benefit your hair.

3b/c mix; mixture of fine, med. and coarse texture with med-high porosity


Current HG routine: Tresemme Naturals conditioner; AG Fast Food LI; AG Recoil; CJ CIAB = no crunch, lots of body and awesome definition


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Thanks for all of the advice, guys! Its really helpful. I might go CG someday, but I'm really not sure.

Also, protein treatments? I thought that would make your hair thicker. But what are some good ones? Can I use egg yolks? I used to do that a lot.

Let me tell you, the reason I dyed my hair in the first place was because the top half was dark brown and the bottom was blondish. I hated it. I think its sun damage, but I'm not sure. I'm going to try to prevent that from happening again.
Also, I'm fascinated by this BKT thing! I mean, I've heard of it before but all I heard was CHEMICALS! TERRIBLE! BAD! CHEMICALS! On this site, however, I'm actually hearing really good things.

I'm going to research it a lot, but is it good for my type of hair? Or is is just for kinky hair? My hair is definitely curly, but not kinky.
Also, I'm fascinated by this BKT thing! I mean, I've heard of it before but all I heard was CHEMICALS! TERRIBLE! BAD! CHEMICALS! On this site, however, I'm actually hearing really good things.

I'm going to research it a lot, but is it good for my type of hair? Or is is just for kinky hair? My hair is definitely curly, but not kinky.
Originally Posted by Bubbleparty
Any hair type can undergo BKT. I think there is a thread somewhere on NC where someone posted pics of her keratin treatment. You can try doing a search.

To answer your other question about protein. It will not make your hair thicker. It will repair and fill in any damaged spots. So its like when you knick the wall and have a little dent or make a hole in it. You fill it in with plaster or putty and the hole disappears. This is how protein works on your hair.
~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
Bella Curl Products
CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
Lady of Elixir, Keeper of the Secret Blend, in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
I cant say much other then kinky hair is only hair that is more tightly coiled or some times like the braid out from small box braids.

Hair texture doesnt matter with you hair needs so much as your hairs elasticity, density, and porosity. Your hair sounds really porus from the damage, so it would benefit from the heavey duty treatments that those with"kinky" hair do to deep condtion. And you don't need to be full cg, some people are modified cg. wich means they dont use cones or maby a couple that are easy to get out with natural gentle shampoos(low poo).

Twice a week is also a little too much shampooing if you really have dry hair. Once a week would be perfectly fine.
3c/4aMCiii normal/low porosity med elasticty

Shampoo- JC Hydrating Invigorating poo, Alaffia Shea & Virgin Coconut Enriching Shampoo, CV poo bars
Rinse out- Natures gate hemp, GSAS
Leave in- GDLI, Beautiful Curls Curl Activating Leave in
DT- Still working on that
Styler- Ecostyler Crystal, Queen Helene Royal Curl Creme
Sealer- castor, Shea butter,jojoba oil

I don't know how well I'll keep it up, my blog The Lions Mane
You should get a good cut and get all those chemicals cut off. Start fresh and try maybe a modified CG routine. Learn to work with what you have. Perhaps if your hair was more on the healthy side, it would grow into waves and curls. Right now it's so damaged it doesn't know what to do. Also, you can take some vitamins to help grow your hair out.

I know you're young, but please remember, we've all been there, maybe minus the multi-color hair dye... Embracing your hair for what it is is empowering and a freeing experience.... I am sure you'll get there eventually.

Good luck and I hope you take some of the posters suggestions and put them to good use. You'll be amazed with how great your hair can be.
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