So I've decided to shave my head...

I think that it would just be easier to shave it all off and start over. Since the cooler months are coming I can just wear a wig until it grows out some. This way I know there will be no damage and it will be completely virgin hair. I'll also be able to see how much grey hair I have now and if I decided to keep it I won't have any lines of demarkation.

Not really. I just needed to fulfil a request to post something interesting to read.

Actually I've decided that I'm tired of having to be so concerned about products. I miss the old days when I could pretty much buy whatever I wanted. So I figure if this HCC stuff works for me then I can use whatever I want and still not have to dry out my hair with sulfate shampoos. I don't ever want to use a sulfate shampoo ever again. But I really do miss not being able to use a product just because it has a silicone in it.
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Go for a curly mohawk!
I hear you, tinah. Have been thinking along similar lines myself lately. But I was just going to go really really short rather than shave. I'm curious about my gray, too.

The silicone thing has been bugging me, mostly because I feel like lots of polyquats do the same thing but we're all so focused on the silicones that we're completely blind to the attachment properties of polyquats. I've read things that indicate that some polyquats need several shampoos to remove! But in some ways, I'm happy for the blissful ignorance because I don't want to have to leave out products for that ingredient too.

More and more, I feel like you do. I kind of want to use whatever I want and stop being so vigilant about ingredients.

If you do shave, I hope you'll post photos.
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Just do what I do. Find what you like and what works and don't worry about the ingredients...as long as it's not made from bull semen (did you see that thread?) or batcrap.

I just happen to be using CG/Mod CG products but I have some heavy cones in my cabinets that I'm not afraid to use and I have a good clarifying shampoo.
I just can't get my hair where I want it. No matter what I do. I'm doing DT's and protein treatments and not using sulfates and not using cones and nothing is really making that much difference. I figure if I can find a good sulfate free shampoo that doesn't dry my hair out then it won't matter what else I use because the poo will take out any cones anyway. Besides I honestly believe it was the sulfates doing more damage to my hair than anything and I have no desire what so ever to go back to them. It's just soo hard for me to find a moisturizing sulfate free shampoo. Everyone I've tried (all three of them haha) have left my hair as dry as any sulfate shampoo. So I'm having high hopes for the JC hair cleansing cream. I hope I'm not disappointed. If I am I'll have to formulate a new game plan.

I long for the days when I didn't know anything about ingredients. I was a happy PJ then. I jsut bought whatever looked pretty/smelled good/marketed well.

All this work and I still have frizzy hair that I'm not all that happy with. Might was well go back to my old loves.
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Do you think it might be the Suave coconut? I know that my medium/semiporous hair doesn't like it. I get frizzies and itchy scalp from it. But yet my hair loves regular old coconut oil. Aloe, coconut oil, and glycerin are a few of the ingredients that my hair loves. Most products (as long as they're protein free) with these will give me good hair. Aussie Moist shampoo and conditioner are the best. I like any Aussie product.
I've been wondering if it might be the suave. But honestly I just don't know what else to use. I've tried other suaves and they leave my hair feeling coated. The VO5's were a disaster for me. I actually thought about co washing with my GVP CB tonight but wussed out at the last minute because I found some Biolage ultra hydrating co in the back of the cabinet and decided to try it and didn't want to alter any other factors to see how it did. Gotta tell ya - not that impressed. I loved this stuff before. And my hair is really soft but no better off than usual in the frizz department. But then again I did use the suave. So maybe I'll try using the GVP as my co and rinse out next time and see if it makes any difference. How funny would that be? the one constant product all this time turns out to be the culprit. I'd feel really stupid.
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Just do what I do. Find what you like and what works and don't worry about the ingredients...as long as it's not made from bull semen (did you see that thread?) or batcrap.

I just happen to be using CG/Mod CG products but I have some heavy cones in my cabinets that I'm not afraid to use and I have a good clarifying shampoo.
Originally Posted by Speckla
Good post, Speckla. My hair doesn't like 'cones at all, so I don't use them anymore, but I think if they gave me consistently great hair, I'd use them without a qualm. I refuse to think about polyquats lol. My hair seems to be doing fine, even though most of the gels I use contain polyquats. I haven't seen any buildup at all. If I eventually get buildup, I'll just clarify.

The whole point of this forum is to get your hair looking its very best. For many, this means going CG or modified CG. But, if CG isn't making your hair look good or better than it used to, then there's no shame in doing what does make it look good --even if that includes CG no-no's. Just my .02
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I've been wondering if it might be the suave. But honestly I just don't know what else to use. I've tried other suaves and they leave my hair feeling coated. The VO5's were a disaster for me. I actually thought about co washing with my GVP CB tonight but wussed out at the last minute because I found some Biolage ultra hydrating co in the back of the cabinet and decided to try it and didn't want to alter any other factors to see how it did. Gotta tell ya - not that impressed. I loved this stuff before. And my hair is really soft but no better off than usual in the frizz department. But then again I did use the suave. So maybe I'll try using the GVP as my co and rinse out next time and see if it makes any difference. How funny would that be? the one constant product all this time turns out to be the culprit. I'd feel really stupid.
Originally Posted by tinah
Nah, don't feel stupid. I used Jason's Biotin Shampoo and conditioner because it had biotin and wheat protein in it. I was convinced these were good for my hair. I had some crappy hair days and just thought it was my flaky hair. I kept using it because I was convinced my hair would start looking better as they made it healthier. I ran out and the store didn't have anymore so I bought the Aussie instead. It was a difference of night and day. My curls were light, bouncy, soft and frizz free. Sometimes you just stumble on to something good when not trying to.
I've been wondering if it might be the suave. But honestly I just don't know what else to use. I've tried other suaves and they leave my hair feeling coated. The VO5's were a disaster for me. I actually thought about co washing with my GVP CB tonight but wussed out at the last minute because I found some Biolage ultra hydrating co in the back of the cabinet and decided to try it and didn't want to alter any other factors to see how it did. Gotta tell ya - not that impressed. I loved this stuff before. And my hair is really soft but no better off than usual in the frizz department. But then again I did use the suave. So maybe I'll try using the GVP as my co and rinse out next time and see if it makes any difference. How funny would that be? the one constant product all this time turns out to be the culprit. I'd feel really stupid.
Originally Posted by tinah
Nah, don't feel stupid. I used Jason's Biotin Shampoo and conditioner because it had biotin and wheat protein in it. I was convinced these were good for my hair. I had some crappy hair days and just thought it was my flaky hair. I kept using it because I was convinced my hair would start looking better as they made it healthier. I ran out and the store didn't have anymore so I bought the Aussie instead. It was a difference of night and day. My curls were light, bouncy, soft and frizz free. Sometimes you just stumble on to something good when not trying to.
Originally Posted by Speckla

Was the difference in products immediate? Or did it take a few times to see the difference when you started using the Aussie?
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Nah, don't feel stupid. I used Jason's Biotin Shampoo and conditioner because it had biotin and wheat protein in it. I was convinced these were good for my hair. I had some crappy hair days and just thought it was my flaky hair. I kept using it because I was convinced my hair would start looking better as they made it healthier. I ran out and the store didn't have anymore so I bought the Aussie instead. It was a difference of night and day. My curls were light, bouncy, soft and frizz free. Sometimes you just stumble on to something good when not trying to.


Was the difference in products immediate? Or did it take a few times to see the difference when you started using the Aussie?
Originally Posted by tinah
Yes, immediately, as in as soon as I washed and conditioned. My wet hair felt slick and smooth. It used to felt kind of rough and I could not easily get my hands through it when wet.
I'm gonna try a different co wash and I'll let you know what happens. Thanks for all the info. I appreciate it.
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Good on you tinah!!! You're brave! I've been thinking A LOT about doing this but my hair is in a. okay state right now so I don't want to take that away. It will be good that you can have a fresh start and take care of your hair no matter what you've done 2 it in the past. Good luck!! xo
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Hey Tinah, I found a children's 2-1 shampoo/conditioner sulfate free that left my hair super soft! LOL, so I'm gonna use it a couple of more times and at my own house (so I know its not the difference in water) and I'll let you know how it goes. I got it at Ulta, so you don't have to order it.

I also got a sample of the HCC and GLS, so I'll let you know how it compares as well.

I'm good with leaving out the cones, because my hair feels so weird with them -- I already got mad at my frizzy hair and threw a tantrum, used the cones, and my hair just felt gross, and to be honest, I didn't get as good results with my old 'cone routine as I do with KCCC and BHRG. oooh and it just felt like I was washing plastic out of my hair (which means nothing for performance, but you know what I mean).

Anyway, I have to say that I've been kinda frustrated because everything weighs down my hair. I mean, more moisture sometimes equals more weight. I have fine hair, and all the no shampooing = build up. And I don't mean the bad cone kind, I mean oils and other good stuff that can pull down the hair. Not to mention, my hair is still oily. In the back, where I don't have the damage, its oily. It has never, after 3 months, stopped being oily. For me, I figured I could find a moisturizing no sulfate poo, a nice leave in, and be done with it. Less to weigh it down, and less to get it all greasy and stringy with.

in short, its a never ending experiement. And, I do have to remind myself that I wasn't happy with my hair to begin with, which is why I was looking for an alternative way of dealing with my hair. It was frizzy before I came here, and being slightly frizzy, but a nicer curl now is still a gain! For me anyway

When I start getting really frustrated, I do re-read Tiffany's bit and I think Jilli did a piece about the myth of HG's.
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Weighed down would be nice. Nothing weighs my hair down. It's never oily. I could go five days without a shower (and did when the boys were little) and it wouldn't be oily then. Gross and yucky but never oily.

You're right tho. It wasn't any better when I was using shampoo and cones. But I honestly can't afford to buy stuff like KCCC and the like. We're a one income family so that I can stay home with the boys. We manage ok but I just can't justify that expense. I just don't seem to be very happy with it. No matter what I do. Some days it looks ok and I think once the weather cools down I'll be happier. My hair always looks better in the winter down here. But I'm starting to notice some split ends and a little bit of damage. Even tho I'm doing very little heat - being gentle with my hair and doing protein treatments and DT's. So something isn't right.

I do like the way silicones feel in my hair and I do feel like they protect it. My hair doesn't catch on itself and i don't have any tangles when I use silicones. I just don't want to use sulfates.
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then use silicones lol, run around all happy like and scream to the forums, "ablahbberblahba i love silicones"

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Fia 2cFi, fine texture, med porosity CG 5-29-09 * My hair loves protein! Currently using : DermOrganics Shampoo and IHM, G2B Kinkier Mousse, Re:Coil VMM, Anything Spiral Solutions! MO Sealing. Coconut Oil Pre-Poo, once a month Hard Water shampoo. Avoiding Glycerin in finishing products.

then use silicones lol, run around all happy like and scream to the forums, "ablahbberblahba i love silicones"

Originally Posted by goobernut

hehe you're silly! If I can get it to work the way I want it to I will certainly do so! But first I'm gonna change my co wash and see if that makes any difference at all.
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My hair hates the suave co wash. And, btw, why cant you get some wigs for crap-O hair days and NOT shave yer head; maybe do a BC.
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My hair hates the suave co wash. And, btw, why cant you get some wigs for crap-O hair days and NOT shave yer head; maybe do a BC.
Originally Posted by rudeechick
What did you hair do that told you it hated the suave? Wearing a wig over my current hair would be like wearing a wool hat in this Florida heat. My hair already makes it feel like I'm always wearing a blanket on my heat. I swear that curly hair holds heat to your head more than straight hair does. There are days where my head gets so hot I will actually get a migrane from it.
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