2 different types (3A&4B) on one head--HELP!

So after being CG for almost 2 months now my hair is shaping up quite nicely. The question pertains to my daughters hair. She has also been CG for almost 2 months. While her hair is better we are still having major problems. Our routine is for her to co-wash 1-2x per week and then follow with a conditioner heavy in oils (we use the Garnier fructis) then use some Afro-detangler and more GF for leave in. Usually at night or in the morning we spritz with some water mixed with conditioners or oils--depending on how dry it is (it is always dry!)

From here we've tried a few products..none work great. So for now she uses just the LA Looks Sports Gel or BRHG or the ABBA gel. We sometimes use the butters (BB or KBB) on her wet hair as well to add moisture and seal it in. We did find that the CJ AFG works to help keep the frizz down a bit.

I have very fine very thin hair that is about 2's top to 3A on the bottom. My ex has 4b hair. It is Z type, very very coarse, very dry. Since he has always kept it shaved pretty close to his head I have no idea how t would look longer or how fragile it is.

The problem: my daughter has BOTH types on her head. If you pull each type off it looks like 2 completely different heads of hair. She has a longer, more 2's to 3A like mine but more solid S shape with a ringlet on the bottom--with curls starting about 1 inch down on her head. This hair is blonde to light brown. Then she has 3c/4a-b type hair that grows straight up then does a 180 and goes down--looks like a cross between a Z and S. It is thick--so one of these strands is equal to about 10 of her more blonde-light brown hair, more coarse (though not like her dad's), is black with red (very dark auburn..gorgeous!), porous, and EXTREMELY fragile. I mean fragile to the point that pulling it back in a ponytail completely breaks it off. It literally can come off in your hand.

What has happened/is happening is that the products that her more 2C/3A type hair likes (because it is very fine and has low porosity) which are protein's and moisturizers just cause the other hair to go completely frizzy, fuzzy, and straw like. It gets even more fragile and breaks more easily.The hair that is similar to her dad's like's oil, butter's, etc which tend to weigh down her other hair.

The ratio seems to be about 80-20 with the finer blonder/browner hair being more prominent. It is what you "see" when you look at her head until you get closer. However as she grows this is shifting. Based on what we've seen I think her hair may eventually end up closer to her dad's in coloring (dark auburn black/brown) and pattern--as we are seeing more and more of the hair like her dad's. She is 12 and her hair got much curlier about 2 years ago. She was not a ringlet baby..it was wavy at best, very blondish/reddish, very fine and very thin.

So I am looking for suggestions. One of the major probems that occurs is that, due to breakage and being so fragile, she has a LOT of "frizz" since the darker hair not only grows up out of her head but it has much shorter pieces due to breaking. These pieces stick pretty much straight up.

The only styling type product we've used on her hair that seems to benefit her coarser hair is that Ohm's custard---I went through last night and picked out as many as I could find strands and just coated them with the stuff when her hair was wet. But the end result is that the other hair looks greasy this morning.

If anyone has any ideas that would be great. She starts school tomorrow and I, unfortunately, did a protein treatment last weekend because her more blonder hair was SO stretchy you could tell there was something wrong with it. While it helped that hair immensely now the darker coarser hair feels like straw and it breaks my heart

She is always pulling it back because it is so heavy and hot. I don't have any solutions for her other than to cut it short and then try to keep the strands somehow matched up so they grow evenly. But when I tell her that she gets so upset..she loves her long curlyhair

Here is what I have in samples: KCCC, KCKT, CJCCCC, KBB Butter, KBB Cream, KBB nectar, KBB milk, CJ CALI, CJMTC, Kenra Conditioner, CJ SG, CJAFG, DMCHB, DMMC. I also make my own FSG with seamollient so we've used that on her hair as well.



The pictures:

1st one shows the frizz

2nd one is the first day after the new CG methods

3rd one is last week with CG methods for almost 2 months AND a good haircut to get rid of alot of the dryer ends (about 2-3 inches cut off) and to layer just a bit to give some volume
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Last edited by Alexjoujou; 09-07-2009 at 11:59 AM.
This post amuses me because I think her hair looks nice, just a little halo frizz.

But if the problem is one hair type likes one thing and the other likes the opposite, can't you just section the hair and give each what it likes separately? Or is all mixed up together?

I have different hair colors, types, textures and what have you on my head but I don't worry about it much. The tighter curls on the top of my head require way more moisture and attention so I always apply my moisturizers to the top of my head and give my looser underlayers the leftovers. It's not an even application at all and that's what works for my hair.
And everyone's hair is different, but I know personally my hair is not fond of oils. One of the ways I learned this is it seemed to frizz more when I used products heavy in them, which is kind of crazy since I have a naturally frizzy looking hair type. It's all about aloe and butters with my hair. Like to refresh I'll just make a water/aloe spritz and smooth a wee bit of butter over that.

Oh and she can grab up some of the halo frizz and finger twirl it into little short ringlets too when she's gelling it.

And do you deep condition her hair? My tighter, drier hair gets very testy when I don't deep condition regularly.
layer cake of tight, spongy and silky/thready S strands that kink more than they coil
spiced with a few spiral coils and non-curling waves
mostly medium and fine with a sprinkle of coarse strands
protein is yummy
This post amuses me because I think her hair looks nice, just a little halo frizz.

But if the problem is one hair type likes one thing and the other likes the opposite, can't you just section the hair and give each what it likes separately? Or is all mixed up together?

I have different hair colors, types, textures and what have you on my head but I don't worry about it much. The tighter curls on the top of my head require way more moisture and attention so I always apply my moisturizers to the top of my head and give my looser underlayers the leftovers. It's not an even application at all and that's what works for my hair.
And everyone's hair is different, but I know personally my hair is not fond of oils. One of the ways I learned this is it seemed to frizz more when I used products heavy in them, which is kind of crazy since I have a naturally frizzy looking hair type. It's all about aloe and butters with my hair. Like to refresh I'll just make a water/aloe spritz and smooth a wee bit of butter over that.

Oh and she can grab up some of the halo frizz and finger twirl it into little short ringlets too when she's gelling it.

And do you deep condition her hair? My tighter, drier hair gets very testy when I don't deep condition regularly.
Originally Posted by CoilyOne1812
Her hair is mixed all over--although there does seem to be higher concentrations on top of her head with the dryer coarser hair. I do try to separate it a bit. I have not tried a water/aloe spritz but I can totally make some up--and adding the butter after sounds good.

I've got some Aubrey Organics HR condish--we did a DT with that on her hair dry and her hair did seem to like it. I wonder if that GF could be contributing to frizz. Hmm.

She just took a shower so I'm going to go and see if we can do some ringlet's with the top hair..that might work and I've never thought of that (too busy trying to make it stay down with her other hair )

Do you have any recommendations for a DT? It's on my list to purchase but I've only so far looked at products that would be good for mine since I was stumped on hers.

I did just use some KBB nectar on her hair--since I love the KBB milk but the nectar didn't work too well for me I wanted to try on her. We'll see how that works..and I've got some KBB butter as well we'll use.

I'm not as worried about the frizz part as I am about the fact it breaks so easily--and is so fragile..I can't help worrying that something we are using might be contributing to the fragility?
FIA 2c/3aFi

Done experimenting! Loving Spiral Solutions products!

Blog: http://thewavytales.blogspot.com/
So you said the 4b hair is coarse? From what I've seen on the boards in general coarse hair hates protein (can't speak from experience because I have like 2 coarse hairs on my whole head). So if you're leaving in stuff with protein or even conditioning with it too often, that would be a problem for the coarse hair. Too much protein makes hair stiff and more prone to breakage. Think you've already found that out the hard way. And tighter curls tend to be more fragile in general on top of that. Coarse hair wants moisture and more moisture. So the protein treatment should have been followed up with heavy moisture for the coarse curls. I can't help with the type of moisture because that's trial and error, except to say you already have an idea of what doesn't work based on the main ingredients of past products. Also you can spot apply extra moisture to the tighter curls while twirling in addition to the gel. I really think those are only two options: taking the extra time to spot moisturize with something heavy (and twirling) or live with it. It's only 20% of her hair, so either way it really shouldn't come to cutting everything off.

I liked the AO Honeysuckle Rose before I developed an allergy to it. Now I use Blended Beauty Herbal Reconditioner which I believe has some protein in it (once again I'm mostly medium & fine) but it's also heavy stuff. But you could run a search on the 4a/4b boards to see a variety deep conditioners that people say work for them. Or maybe do a search for coarse hair and deep conditioner. I heard great things about Curl Junkie Banana Deep Fix (protein-free I believe) or whatever it's called--does nothing for my hair so perhaps it could be great for coarse hair. Oh and when I'm on top of things I deep condition once a week. That might be more often than other hair types need, don't know.
(ALL of my hair hated the KBB milk--I think it was the panthenol, but it might have been the oils in it too)

Her hair is mixed all over--although there does seem to be higher concentrations on top of her head with the dryer coarser hair. I do try to separate it a bit. I have not tried a water/aloe spritz but I can totally make some up--and adding the butter after sounds good.

I've got some Aubrey Organics HR condish--we did a DT with that on her hair dry and her hair did seem to like it. I wonder if that GF could be contributing to frizz. Hmm.

She just took a shower so I'm going to go and see if we can do some ringlet's with the top hair..that might work and I've never thought of that (too busy trying to make it stay down with her other hair )

Do you have any recommendations for a DT? It's on my list to purchase but I've only so far looked at products that would be good for mine since I was stumped on hers.

I did just use some KBB nectar on her hair--since I love the KBB milk but the nectar didn't work too well for me I wanted to try on her. We'll see how that works..and I've got some KBB butter as well we'll use.

I'm not as worried about the frizz part as I am about the fact it breaks so easily--and is so fragile..I can't help worrying that something we are using might be contributing to the fragility?
Originally Posted by Alexjoujou
layer cake of tight, spongy and silky/thready S strands that kink more than they coil
spiced with a few spiral coils and non-curling waves
mostly medium and fine with a sprinkle of coarse strands
protein is yummy

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