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Old 09-13-2009, 09:15 PM   #61
 
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yeah, I feel ya, I think it woudl make me nervous too to have to tip 10 people. It made me a wreck when we went to a nice hotel at disney, I was so worried I'd forget to tip someone lol.

When I go to the spa, and have multiple things done, I've always done my tipping at the end. My current spa even goes so far to have a special box with envelopes.
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I have a question (slightly off the point) about tipping. I recently got my hair cut, and I although I tipped the stylist, I didn't know how, or how much, to tip the one who washed my hair.

A previous place I have gone to had little envelopes where I could put a tip into, and on that occasion (different place), the same person washed and styled me. This place however, the stylist is the one who took my payment at the reception desk, and there was no envelopes or similar for me to leave a tip for the wash person. What should I have done? After I had paid should I have gone back to the salon to tip her? Should I have given it to the stylist for her? I honestly didn't know what to do.

I feel embarrassed not tipping her, and silly as it may sound, I would like to tip her next time I go (even if she doesn't wash my hair this time). I feel like I owe her.
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I have a question (slightly off the point) about tipping. I recently got my hair cut, and I although I tipped the stylist, I didn't know how, or how much, to tip the one who washed my hair.

A previous place I have gone to had little envelopes where I could put a tip into, and on that occasion (different place), the same person washed and styled me. This place however, the stylist is the one who took my payment at the reception desk, and there was no envelopes or similar for me to leave a tip for the wash person. What should I have done? After I had paid should I have gone back to the salon to tip her? Should I have given it to the stylist for her? I honestly didn't know what to do.

I feel embarrassed not tipping her, and silly as it may sound, I would like to tip her next time I go (even if she doesn't wash my hair this time). I feel like I owe her.
Tipping the shampoo help is nice and should be about a dollar or two, unless she apply's your color, then it should be five. You can just hand it to her at the end of the shampoo.
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I'm in full agreement with those who say the stylist should be tipped well, but I have to disagree in another area. I left a salon because whenever I was there, someone shampooed my hair, someone else cut it, and then someone else colored it --not to mention whoever did my brows. Since I know that proper etiquette dictates that anyone who works on your hair is tipped, I did tip all of them, but I was very annoyed at feeling like I was being nickeled and dimed to death having to tip 3-4 people in addition to the cost of the services. The guy I go to now does it all, does it well (usually lol), gets tipped well, and I don't feel hassled about tipping 65 people.
omg that drives me crazy too. i want 2 people to work on me...max!

and i do have a serious love for a barber shop close to me. they charge $15 and i tip them $5.

if i dont like a stylist or feel like im getting ripped off - i tip OK and dont go back. if the stylist really made me mad, i complain and tip $1...and of course, don't go back. no love lost for me - you do a good service, i'll be back and tip lots. if you dont? my tipping will be OK and i dont go back. if i cant afford it, i dont get it done.
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My experience with hair stylists is that they look at my hair....after they do it....and then tell me how much they are going to charge me.

I've gone to a stylist one day and he/she will charge me $1.50 (as an exaggerated example). Then, I'll go back a month later to the same stylist and get the exact same service and then after they do my hair they charge me $2.50.

This has happened on several occasions with different stylists in different salons.

In my case, I do not agree with tipping that stylist with an exorbitant amount of cash when they have floating pricing system on my hair.
I agree with the bolded. I went to a stylist and was charged $60 for a wash//trim/style. Went again and it was $90. No, I did not tip the second time because I was not told that the price had gone up. Also, because I had NOT budgeted for that price. However, when I checked around her price had NOT gone up she just charged ME more. Actually no one else was even paying the $60. I can only assume it was because I wasn't a regular client since I would go once or twice a year. Not like I was going to some fancy place where they went out of the way to treat you special.

But, because of this experience I very rarily go to a stylist. That was about 5 years ago. I've been to a stylist twice since then and one was for a hair show.

To the styist on this board are you saying I should have tipped the second time?
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I am reading this while my eyes grow bigger with every post. That tipping stuff is sooooo complicated and people even get worked up about it, I'd cut my own hair only to avoid the hassle if I were in the States!

I'm having a little culture shock here, ladies
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I don't think it's fair not to tip 15% to a stylist. 20% is what I usually do. It's a personal service + convenience. If I didn't want the convenience/knowledge/talent that goes with a stylist's time, I would DIY (and in my case botch it terribly).

I think that any service pertaining to personal hygiene deserves a tip. Yes, I think haircutting falls into that category, not to mention the training, talent and knowledge that a customer relies on when entrusting their appearance to this professional.

The only time I've heard a customer isn't supposed to tip the stylist is if s/he is the owner of the salon. Even then, I would feel awkward not tipping, but I know that's done. JMO.
I nearly always tip 20-25%, never less than 15%, and my stylist is one of the owners of the salon. Gratuities for services like this were common long before minimum wage was ever heard of - that is not where it came from for food servers, etc.

That said, tipping anywhere other than restaurants and hotels hasn't always been practiced in small towns and rural areas the way it has been in New York and other urban areas. Some who don't do it may just not have caught up with the times yet - they may just not even think of it. I was guilty of that myself at the dog groomers when I first started using one 10-15 years ago.
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Hey Draakje -- I used to live in germany on the border of the Netherlands I loooOooved my Dutch hairdresser! She was a doll. I agree, the whole tipping thing is more laid back in europe, but I also believe that dutch hairdressers get paid lots more than our average hairdresser. On average I think all europeans in "service" jobs get paid more or get taken better care of than our people in service industries.

You know, this really could be a whole economy lesson, and the history of the states and why we do this all rolled into one, but I'm so not going there. Mostly because quite a bit of it would just be my opinion hah!

Don't worry Draakje, its not as bad as this whole debate sounds. Advantages and disadvantages to both systems
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Hey Draakje -- I used to live in germany on the border of the Netherlands I loooOooved my Dutch hairdresser! She was a doll. I agree, the whole tipping thing is more laid back in europe, but I also believe that dutch hairdressers get paid lots more than our average hairdresser. On average I think all europeans in "service" jobs get paid more or get taken better care of than our people in service industries.

You know, this really could be a whole economy lesson, and the history of the states and why we do this all rolled into one, but I'm so not going there. Mostly because quite a bit of it would just be my opinion hah!

Don't worry Draakje, its not as bad as this whole debate sounds. Advantages and disadvantages to both systems
this is quite true. Being a waiter is a career in France and they are paid a salary with government benefits and a month long holiday paid. Being a stylist is the same in EU Salary gov. benes, monthe long holiday. Maybe I will move to france!
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And the history of tipping is that it was set up to insure proper service, which is where t.i.p.s. came from. Originally people were tipped out before they preformed said service. This gave them an idea at what level they were to perform. Based on what they were tipped out at the beginning.
I had to check Snopes.com to see whether TIPS was an acronym, and unfortunately according to their site, it just isn't true--it's basically an online rumor. Sorry!

That being said, I also agree that tipping is a real pain. Especially if you have to do math to figure it out (I hate math). It seems to have become something that's expected of us in the U.S. rather than waiters (for instance) trying hard to provide good service so they get a good tip. There are some who do, but there are quite a few who don't seem to try, tip or no tip. I start to fear not leaving a tip because people do expect it, they are paid so little, and they may get mad if you don't tip or don't tip well enough! This may seem inconsequential--that is, until you return to the same restaurant or place of business and they mistreat you, spit in your food (it does happen, eww!), etc.

I think it is definitely the system though that makes this continue. The employees are led to feel entitled to a tip and to depend on it because their wages are so low. I think they should be paid minimum wage and tips should be considered a "bonus" (in other words, you don't have to tip, but feel free). I'm sure the restaurants, etc. would not like this idea at all, but I still think it should be done that way. I for one would pay a higher price for the food as long as I knew this was the reason.

Meanwhile, I do tip. My understanding is that you can determine the amount, but I usually think about 10-15% for standard service (less if it's just awful), and 15-20% and up (usually more rather than less) if it's outstanding service and/or if you were a problematic client (i.e., spilled your drink). I almost always leave a tip. When I got my recent haircut, I tipped 27% because I was very happy with it. It was pretty expensive ($75 I think) so that was a big chunk of money. I'm not rich (not even close!), and don't go that often to the salon.
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And the history of tipping is that it was set up to insure proper service, which is where t.i.p.s. came from. Originally people were tipped out before they preformed said service. This gave them an idea at what level they were to perform. Based on what they were tipped out at the beginning.
I had to check Snopes.com to see whether TIPS was an acronym, and unfortunately according to their site, it just isn't true--it's basically an online rumor. Sorry!

Although there is a definite possibility that the information is false, I learned that back when I took tips certification back in '95, before there even was such a thing as an "online".


eta: also wanted to add that I have never NOT tipped a service person for helping me out, especially if they take their job seriously and are willing to assist me.

Just in case I was giving off a weird vibe. I would never request such service if I wasn't able to afford a gratuity at the time.
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And the history of tipping is that it was set up to insure proper service, which is where t.i.p.s. came from. Originally people were tipped out before they preformed said service. This gave them an idea at what level they were to perform. Based on what they were tipped out at the beginning.
I had to check Snopes.com to see whether TIPS was an acronym, and unfortunately according to their site, it just isn't true--it's basically an online rumor. Sorry!

Although there is a definite possibility that the information is false, I learned that back when I took tips certification back in '95, before there even was such a thing as an "online".


eta: also wanted to add that I have never NOT tipped a service person for helping me out, especially if they take their job seriously and are willing to assist me.

Just in case I was giving off a weird vibe. I would never request such service if I wasn't able to afford a gratuity at the time.

Um, I've been using the internet since '93, and I am certainly no 'early adopter' of things technological - I only started using it then because it was becoming widely used within my company. All those stupid "information superhighway" commercials were already on TV by '93. I've been doing most of my shopping on-line since '95. All this to say that on-line was already pretty well established by 1995.
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I had to check Snopes.com to see whether TIPS was an acronym, and unfortunately according to their site, it just isn't true--it's basically an online rumor. Sorry!

Although there is a definite possibility that the information is false, I learned that back when I took tips certification back in '95, before there even was such a thing as an "online".


eta: also wanted to add that I have never NOT tipped a service person for helping me out, especially if they take their job seriously and are willing to assist me.

Just in case I was giving off a weird vibe. I would never request such service if I wasn't able to afford a gratuity at the time.

Um, I've been using the internet since '93, and I am certainly no 'early adopter' of things technological - I only started using it then because it was becoming widely used within my company. All those stupid "information superhighway" commercials were already on TV by '93. I've been doing most of my shopping on-line since '95. All this to say that on-line was already pretty well established by 1995.

It originally said 'before there was such a thing as an online rumor'

I was trying to make the point that there wasn't a slew of online talk going on at the time this apparent 'misconception' was made.

But whatever. That's not the point of any of this. I actually did not come in this thread to argue whether hairstylists are professionals, make too much money, where the idea of tips generated, or when the internet was established.
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Sorry, that just struck me as funny . . .
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A tip is nothing more than a show of appreciation for the services you've received. A monetary "thank you" for a job well done. If you don't like the job that was done then don't tip. If you like the work that was performed and don't tip then don't get your panties in a wad if you don't get good service the next time or if the price goes up. Like it or not that's the way it works. It's just that simple.
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I always over-tip by about 5% -whatever the $$ is at the end, when I go to the salon:
#1 because I go so rarely, that my stylist can't count on me to really generate any income from me

#2- stylist put up with a lot of crap from fiendishly fussy clients who make them jump through hoops to do the impossible with their crap hair.

#3-the poor shampoo girl has to spend her day up to her elbows in water and chemicals, and being the housekeeper of the salon-and i'm sure gets paid far far less than any of the stylists

I try to be extremely pleasant to the shampoo girl and my stylist because they have back-breaking work, they stand on their feet for hours on end and my back kills me just thinking about having to do what they do.

Also, these ladies usually have to take crap from a bully salon owner(i've never actually had a stylist who had a good relationship with the owner)they usually sound like monsters to work for so I try to be extra nice just to let the girls know I really appreciate their efforts and I'm grateful for what ever services they render to me. I'd like to think that they will remember be as a client who treats them as a valuable human being who is a worker deserving of her wages plus a little extra "appreciation". I'm grateful for the stability of my 9-5 paycheck and I want to pay it forward to make life a little more easy for anyone who helps me out.

boy, I seemed to have a lot to say about this...I never knew it was in there.
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Normal lurker piping in here. My rule? It depends.

My last hair cut cost $90. I was not about to tip 15% on top of that, especially since the guy kept calling me by the wrong name.

Seriously, it depends. If he blows my hair dry straight and has an assistant shampoo and help straighten, I tip the assistant $5 and tip the stylist another $15. If he's feeling lazy that day and wet cuts it, then shoos me out the door, it's $10 for him and $5 for the person who shampooed me. But 20%? On a $90 tab? No.

There's another place I frequent which has folks who are doing their apprenticing, right after getting their license. They charge up to $40. I have no problem leaving 20% for them.

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I'd like to think that they will remember be as a client who treats them as a valuable human being who is a worker deserving of her wages plus a little extra "appreciation".
I've never worked in a hair salon, but as someone who's worked a job from hell with all its lovely customers from hell, I can tell you that it's people like you who make our day =)
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I always over-tip by about 5% -whatever the $$ is at the end, when I go to the salon:
#1 because I go so rarely, that my stylist can't count on me to really generate any income from me

#2- stylist put up with a lot of crap from fiendishly fussy clients who make them jump through hoops to do the impossible with their crap hair.

#3-the poor shampoo girl has to spend her day up to her elbows in water and chemicals, and being the housekeeper of the salon-and i'm sure gets paid far far less than any of the stylists

I try to be extremely pleasant to the shampoo girl and my stylist because they have back-breaking work, they stand on their feet for hours on end and my back kills me just thinking about having to do what they do.

Also, these ladies usually have to take crap from a bully salon owner(i've never actually had a stylist who had a good relationship with the owner)they usually sound like monsters to work for so I try to be extra nice just to let the girls know I really appreciate their efforts and I'm grateful for what ever services they render to me. I'd like to think that they will remember be as a client who treats them as a valuable human being who is a worker deserving of her wages plus a little extra "appreciation". I'm grateful for the stability of my 9-5 paycheck and I want to pay it forward to make life a little more easy for anyone who helps me out.

boy, I seemed to have a lot to say about this...I never knew it was in there.
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I booth rent. You might be interested to know my approximate weekly expenses (monthly expenses have been broken down accordingly):

Rent - $182
Liability insurance - $15
Merchant services processing and terminal fees - $20
Phone - $15
Backbar - $55
Color and color supplies - $100
Laundry (water, supplies) - $5
Other supplies (office, postage, materials, etc.) - $50

In other words, I have to book almost $450 in services every week before I can even bring home dollar one to my family.

It is your choice to tip or not tip, as you wish. But do not justify your decision by insisting the actual earnings of a stylist who is a booth renter equals 100% of what they book when that is far from the truth.
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