I don't think it's fair to tip 15% to stylist...

This thread is fascinating. I had no clue that stylists sometimes rented booths. I just figured they got a small percentage of whatever the service cost, plus their tips.

And I'm still shocked that some people would go to a stylist that charges a certain amount based on her expertise and then "stiff" that stylist on her tip. If you don't know the cost up front, ask. If they can't tell you, don't go there. If you can't afford to pay for the service plus an appropriate tip, go elsewhere. Doesn't seem that hard to me....
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Amen sister! You can come to Florida and get free haircuts from me, you might be the perfect client! Thanks for the kudos, ALL stylists appreciate someone who understands what we do.
Cynthia
thanks for the sentiment curlpro. I wouldn't actually make you cut my hair for free, but I think that if I were in your place, I would hope that some people would be kind and generous- all it takes is a little imagination to put yourself in another persons shoes for a little while and you start to see how you would like to be treated. Then it's just a small step to putting your thoughts into actions. It makes the world a better place if a person decides to take action instead of standing on the sidelines all the time...there are lots of opportunities to get involved in small ways to make the world go round in a nicer, friendlier way. I try to be one of the "kinder" people that others may encounter throughout their day...maybe I can give them a pleasant happy thought to take home with them.

I'm no angel, but it only makes sense to be "humane" to my fellow humans...after all, what goes around, comes around.
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thanks for the sentiment curlpro. I wouldn't actually make you cut my hair for free, but I think that if I were in your place, I would hope that some people would be kind and generous- all it takes is a little imagination to put yourself in another persons shoes for a little while and you start to see how you would like to be treated. Then it's just a small step to putting your thoughts into actions. It makes the world a better place if a person decides to take action instead of standing on the sidelines all the time...there are lots of opportunities to get involved in small ways to make the world go round in a nicer, friendlier way. I try to be one of the "kinder" people that others may encounter throughout their day...maybe I can give them a pleasant happy thought to take home with them.

I'm no angel, but it only makes sense to be "humane" to my fellow humans...after all, what goes around, comes around.
Originally Posted by Frizzly
Well said!!!!
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Amen sister! You can come to Florida and get free haircuts from me, you might be the perfect client! Thanks for the kudos, ALL stylists appreciate someone who understands what we do.
Cynthia
thanks for the sentiment curlpro. I wouldn't actually make you cut my hair for free, but I think that if I were in your place, I would hope that some people would be kind and generous- all it takes is a little imagination to put yourself in another persons shoes for a little while and you start to see how you would like to be treated. Then it's just a small step to putting your thoughts into actions. It makes the world a better place if a person decides to take action instead of standing on the sidelines all the time...there are lots of opportunities to get involved in small ways to make the world go round in a nicer, friendlier way. I try to be one of the "kinder" people that others may encounter throughout their day...maybe I can give them a pleasant happy thought to take home with them.

I'm no angel, but it only makes sense to be "humane" to my fellow humans...after all, what goes around, comes around.
Originally Posted by Frizzly
Offer still stands!
The reason people become stylists is to spread some good hair all over the place, but more importantly make people feel better about themselves and how they look and feel. So every day on the drive to work, I look forward to really changing someones life by making their hair one less thing to worry about. I had a little girl come to me for the first time, her mom, caucasian, had straight blonde hair, her dad is african american. She had all her hair squished as tight as she could get it in a clip. She was a 4a, coctail straw circumfirance curls with such a fine texture. Everyone in my shop apreciates my curly clientele and love to oooh and ahhh over the transformation. They were ooohing and ahhhing over her, telling her they wished they had curly hair, her face just started to open up and you could tell she was starting to believe it. She is the only child of any color at her school, and felt different in a bad way. We made her feel different in a special way and see her hair as a gift only some get. Her mother called me the next day and told me her daughter wore her hair down for the first time ever. She said now that she knew her hair was special she didn't think the other kids opinions mattered. That is the best tip ever.
Cynthia
Amen sister! You can come to Florida and get free haircuts from me, you might be the perfect client! Thanks for the kudos, ALL stylists appreciate someone who understands what we do.
Cynthia
thanks for the sentiment curlpro. I wouldn't actually make you cut my hair for free, but I think that if I were in your place, I would hope that some people would be kind and generous- all it takes is a little imagination to put yourself in another persons shoes for a little while and you start to see how you would like to be treated. Then it's just a small step to putting your thoughts into actions. It makes the world a better place if a person decides to take action instead of standing on the sidelines all the time...there are lots of opportunities to get involved in small ways to make the world go round in a nicer, friendlier way. I try to be one of the "kinder" people that others may encounter throughout their day...maybe I can give them a pleasant happy thought to take home with them.

I'm no angel, but it only makes sense to be "humane" to my fellow humans...after all, what goes around, comes around.
Originally Posted by Frizzly
Offer still stands!
The reason people become stylists is to spread some good hair all over the place, but more importantly make people feel better about themselves and how they look and feel. So every day on the drive to work, I look forward to really changing someones life by making their hair one less thing to worry about. I had a little girl come to me for the first time, her mom, caucasian, had straight blonde hair, her dad is african american. She had all her hair squished as tight as she could get it in a clip. She was a 4a, coctail straw circumfirance curls with such a fine texture. Everyone in my shop apreciates my curly clientele and love to oooh and ahhh over the transformation. They were ooohing and ahhhing over her, telling her they wished they had curly hair, her face just started to open up and you could tell she was starting to believe it. She is the only child of any color at her school, and felt different in a bad way. We made her feel different in a special way and see her hair as a gift only some get. Her mother called me the next day and told me her daughter wore her hair down for the first time ever. She said now that she knew her hair was special she didn't think the other kids opinions mattered. That is the best tip ever.
Cynthia
Originally Posted by curlpro

Beautiful story, curlpro! You sound like an awesome stylist - and a really nice person!!
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I am reading this while my eyes grow bigger with every post. That tipping stuff is sooooo complicated and people even get worked up about it, I'd cut my own hair only to avoid the hassle if I were in the States!

I'm having a little culture shock here, ladies
Originally Posted by Draakje
me too
Fat does not make you fat. It's actually pretty important.
They were ooohing and ahhhing over her, telling her they wished they had curly hair, her face just started to open up and you could tell she was starting to believe it. She is the only child of any color at her school, and felt different in a bad way. We made her feel different in a special way and see her hair as a gift only some get. Her mother called me the next day and told me her daughter wore her hair down for the first time ever. She said now that she knew her hair was special she didn't think the other kids opinions mattered. That is the best tip ever.
that is a beautiful thing... we are on the same wave length, albeit on different sides of they stylist's chair
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Amen sister! You can come to Florida and get free haircuts from me, you might be the perfect client! Thanks for the kudos, ALL stylists appreciate someone who understands what we do.
Cynthia
thanks for the sentiment curlpro. I wouldn't actually make you cut my hair for free, but I think that if I were in your place, I would hope that some people would be kind and generous- all it takes is a little imagination to put yourself in another persons shoes for a little while and you start to see how you would like to be treated. Then it's just a small step to putting your thoughts into actions. It makes the world a better place if a person decides to take action instead of standing on the sidelines all the time...there are lots of opportunities to get involved in small ways to make the world go round in a nicer, friendlier way. I try to be one of the "kinder" people that others may encounter throughout their day...maybe I can give them a pleasant happy thought to take home with them.

I'm no angel, but it only makes sense to be "humane" to my fellow humans...after all, what goes around, comes around.
Originally Posted by Frizzly
Offer still stands!
The reason people become stylists is to spread some good hair all over the place, but more importantly make people feel better about themselves and how they look and feel. So every day on the drive to work, I look forward to really changing someones life by making their hair one less thing to worry about. I had a little girl come to me for the first time, her mom, caucasian, had straight blonde hair, her dad is african american. She had all her hair squished as tight as she could get it in a clip. She was a 4a, coctail straw circumfirance curls with such a fine texture. Everyone in my shop apreciates my curly clientele and love to oooh and ahhh over the transformation. They were ooohing and ahhhing over her, telling her they wished they had curly hair, her face just started to open up and you could tell she was starting to believe it. She is the only child of any color at her school, and felt different in a bad way. We made her feel different in a special way and see her hair as a gift only some get. Her mother called me the next day and told me her daughter wore her hair down for the first time ever. She said now that she knew her hair was special she didn't think the other kids opinions mattered. That is the best tip ever.
Cynthia
Originally Posted by curlpro
This practically brings tears to my eyes. You sound wonderful.
I too tend to agree with the OP. We tip wait staff due to the fact they make min. wage or less (its different in that industry) therefore they rely on tips to earn a living. Same with valets, pizza delivery etc.

Hair dressers can earn a nice living, charging $50+ per hair cut, $100+ color...where did tipping originate for this industry?

Theres no justification in the expense of their education etc...those of us who are educated and work in law,medicine, sales etc dont get tips.

And isnt tipping optional. If a stylist is going to turn away a repeat customer for failure to tip, they are showing unprofessionalism. Some of us here scrimp and save a long time to be able to afford a good haircut.
Just my opinion.
Originally Posted by LadyChristina
I seriously don't get this argument. Who is anybody to say that somebody else is making a nice enough living (by the observer's standards) so they don't deserve any more? Its not up to you to decide what a "nice living" is for everybody else. It's all relative anyway - you can't know all the details of everybody else's circumstances.

No stylist, or anybody in any industry for that matter, should have to justify their rates to anybody. Their skill, industry averages, and target market determines how much people are willing to pay for their services. If their rates are outside of your budget, then go somewhere else.

The simple fact of the matter is that tipping for good service is a standard practice in the hairstyling industry. It should be considered part of the total cost of getting your hair done. If you get bad service, then don't tip. However, if you don't tip because you can't afford it, don't get your hair done by that stylist. Find somebody else that is within your budget.
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I too tend to agree with the OP. We tip wait staff due to the fact they make min. wage or less (its different in that industry) therefore they rely on tips to earn a living. Same with valets, pizza delivery etc.

Hair dressers can earn a nice living, charging $50+ per hair cut, $100+ color...where did tipping originate for this industry?

Theres no justification in the expense of their education etc...those of us who are educated and work in law,medicine, sales etc dont get tips.

And isnt tipping optional. If a stylist is going to turn away a repeat customer for failure to tip, they are showing unprofessionalism. Some of us here scrimp and save a long time to be able to afford a good haircut.
Just my opinion.
Originally Posted by LadyChristina
I seriously don't get this argument. Who is anybody to say that somebody else is making a nice enough living (by the observer's standards) so they don't deserve any more? Its not up to you to decide what a "nice living" is for everybody else. It's all relative anyway - you can't know all the details of everybody else's circumstances.

No stylist, or anybody in any industry for that matter, should have to justify their rates to anybody. Their skill, industry averages, and target market determines how much people are willing to pay for their services. If their rates are outside of your budget, then go somewhere else.

The simple fact of the matter is that tipping for good service is a standard practice in the hairstyling industry. It should be considered part of the total cost of getting your hair done. If you get bad service, then don't tip. However, if you don't tip because you can't afford it, don't get your hair done by that stylist. Find somebody else that is within your budget.
Originally Posted by AprilnUtah
I agree with April. At the risk of making this even more controversial...I must admit, I have been taken a bit by surprise by this whole thread. Many in this country scream loud and long that providing public health care options to some would socialism and it would stifle our "free market". Yet, so many would like to limit the earning potential of people like stylists, who traditionally, (unless they cater to celebrities) have never made a lot of money to do what they love! Shouldn't the free market drive the cost of a hair cut? Since tipping is expected and you choose not to tip, then accept that your future services with that stylist may suffer in some way and dont' &*tch about it.

Even in a down economy, most women still find ways to attend to their hair, makeup, nails, etc. If we can't afford it, we wait longer in between or go somewhere less expensive but I don't make my stylist suffer by not leaving her a good tip. I don't mean to change this debate in any way, so let's not start talking about healthcare, but I find the contrast amazing.
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I don't think it's fair to tip my stylist 15% either, which is why I tip 20%. :P
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
Heh, I was going to post the same thing, RCC.

Stingy people stink.
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Tipping has always bothered me. I'm from the U.K and tipping just isn't the cutsom over there. So movign here, I went with the local custom but don't agree with it.

Why should I have to bribe someone to give me good service? They should be nice and polite and do a good job simply because it is a part of any job, not because I'm payign them to be that way.

I don't mind tipping servers because they are underpaid due to the industry, but why should I have to make up for an employers cheapness/slave labour? I only do it because it isn't the servers fault. But it still irks me that the industry is getting away with it.

I just see it as this.
I want a service
I am given a price for that service to be performed
I decide if that price is ok for me or not
I decide to get that service atthat price
They provide that service that I am paying for

Why am I paying extra? I paid what they said that service costs. If it is so expensive for the provider, then up the rate you give me, don't expect me to pay extra.
I tip a stylist but not 15%. 15% of, say, a $50 meal is a lot easier to handle than 15% of $150. I usually tip $10-$12, $15 if she's super good. (It always seems to be a she.)
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Bribe?

I'm sorry, but I am highly offended by that statement.

I am more than grateful when I receive a tip from a client: I look at it as a validation my client feels she is walking out the door after a service that has far exceeded her expectations, often for the very first time in her life.

My clients do not have to "bribe" me to get good service. Regardless of whether or not my clients tip, they get the same consistent high standards I set for myself.

I take a bit more pride than that in my work, thank you.
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Tip if you want to.
Don't tip if you don't want to.

I don't see the arguement there. Now I do see valid points to tip and I also see the OP right to not tip.
I commented way back on page 1 of this thread and I am truly astonished and oddly fascinated that it is now 5 pages. We know that tipping anyone in the service industry is a standard in this country, so what's the problem? As to hairstylists in particular, I stand by my original statement: If you don't want to tip your stylist, learn how to cut your own hair. Problem solved.

I realize that tipping in some countries does not exist but, calling it a bribe?!?

Sheesh. That's harsh.
yes a bribe. At least in wait staff you tip based on the level of customer service you recieved. So if they know they will get more money for being better and having greatcustomer service, then that is their incentive. It is the main reason they work so hard.
yes a bribe. At least in wait staff you tip based on the level of customer service you recieved. So if they know they will get more money for being better and having greatcustomer service, then that is their incentive. It is the main reason they work so hard.
Originally Posted by TheSunshineState
But, I don't think anyone here is advocating a compulsory tip for a stylist when you receive a truly awful haircut. Maybe I missed that somewhere.

So, do you tip waitstaff, or do you stiff all service people?
previous post said that I do not mind tipping wait staff. It still annoys me that the industry is getting cheap labour off my back, but that isn't the servers fault. So I don't mind with servers.

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