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cubancurls 09-12-2009 04:38 PM

I don't think it's fair to tip 15% to stylist...
 
I know all the hair stylists on the board are going to hate me but I really don't think it's fair to tip 15% or more to hair stylist.

They are going to keep half or more of what they charge, and the hair stylist who rent their chairs will keep ALL of it. And on top of that a tip? Nooooooo!

I believe servers in restaurants deserve the 15% because they will not be keeping any of the money they charge. They live on tips and the hourly rate pay from the restaurant. BUT hair stylist will be keeping most of what they charge. My stylist pays a monthly fee for her chair, so the $150 I paid her for my highlights and hair cut she keeps. I didn't feel right leaving 15% on top of that. I left $15 for her and still felt stupid.

Anyone else with me on this?

misspam 09-12-2009 04:48 PM

Maybe you ought to learn to cut your own hair. :roll:

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you on this one.

breezybaby 09-12-2009 04:49 PM

ITA
Stylists charge whatever they want and then expect a tip????....that's why i rarely get my hair done

Curly Girl Fla 09-12-2009 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by misspam (Post 1098457)
Maybe you ought to learn to cut your own hair. :roll:

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you on this one.

I'm right there with ya, misspam. I don't think I ever tipped under 20%. Now, if you were treated badly or butchered, that's another story...

iroc 09-12-2009 05:03 PM

I somewhat agree.

I do find it a little irritating that I'm paying between 40 and 60 bucks - for a cut alone - and then I have to give them a 15/20% tip on top of it. And they probably only did an okay job anyway. Not to mention I probably had to hear about their life most of the appointment.

I've gone and had a cut and color done and it cost me $120 - so I have to tip this person $20? I don't think so.

My best friend of years was a hair stylist, and she always mentioned the people who gave her a $10 tip - like that was a big deal. So I generally give between $8 and $10.

But then again, I hate paying for anything, so I've been cutting my hair for over 2 years.

misspam 09-12-2009 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Curly Girl Fla (Post 1098464)
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Originally Posted by misspam (Post 1098457)
Maybe you ought to learn to cut your own hair. :roll:

I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you on this one.

I'm right there with ya, misspam. I don't think I ever tipped under 20%. Now, if you were treated badly or butchered, that's another story...

Exactly. No one is forcing you (gy) into that chair. One always knows the price up front. If you don't like it, don't patronize the establishment. I just don't get the attitude of the OP. :scratch:

mpgirl 09-12-2009 05:28 PM

I don't even tip my servers less that 20%! Stylists pay for an education to start and continuing education to maintain their knowledge. A good one gets up to 25% from me!

If I don't pay AND reward where is her incentive to stay in the business and excel at what she/he does? I hate to imagine how may potentially great stylists quit the business because they couldn't make a living or had to put up with one person too many who thought their great hair cut wasn't worth a decent tip!

My stylists have stuck with me, fit me in when they didn't really have time, listened to my complaints about life and celebrated with me too! Shoot, I left my analyst when my nail tech was giving me the same advice! She actually saved me a bunch of money!:occasion9:

I don't begrudge anyone the money owed to them. I wouldn't want to be treated that way in my chosen profession. If I could style my own hair as well as my stylist I wouldn't pay a professional to do it but I can't. Bottom line: I find good professionals and I pay them for their services.

tinicurlyd 09-12-2009 05:55 PM

I tip my stylist. A cut is $15 for me so i tip her $2-$3. When i use to get highlights from her I tipped $5..I dont have a prob tipping @ all. and half the time my cut is barely an inch ,5 mins top to do it and shes always sayin no need to tip but i do anyways.

cubancurls 09-12-2009 06:34 PM

Well, then, we should be tipping doctors, dentist, dry cleaners, everyone that provides any type of service.

Misspam: Before I sit down, I do know their fee and happily pay it. But an extra 15%, no.

LoloDSM 09-12-2009 06:57 PM

I would be afraid to go back to the same stylist if I didn't tip. :)

I think of it this way: if I tip and tip well, the stylist may be more willing to accommodate a change in schedule or to work with me on other things. In the past, my regular stylists have consistently given me free eyebrow waxes, and one even gave me free products that weren't available for sale yet.

They have a physically demanding job and if they do a good job with a smile, I have no problem thanking them for it.

IamDonna 09-12-2009 07:18 PM

Tipping your stylist AND the shampoo girl is usual and customary just as it is a waitress, nail tech, valet, and the list is endless. But that's the way it is

I tip my stylist and shampoo girl because I want to. I go to the same stylist and I LIKE her very much.
15% to 20% depending on how much time they take with me. If I don't have the $$$ I don't go. It's a friendly place and I want it to stay that way.

cubancurls 09-12-2009 07:34 PM

remember my opening post, I do tip. But when the bill is over $100, I will tip about 10%.

LadyChristina 09-12-2009 08:16 PM

I too tend to agree with the OP. We tip wait staff due to the fact they make min. wage or less (its different in that industry) therefore they rely on tips to earn a living. Same with valets, pizza delivery etc.

Hair dressers can earn a nice living, charging $50+ per hair cut, $100+ color...where did tipping originate for this industry?

Theres no justification in the expense of their education etc...those of us who are educated and work in law,medicine, sales etc dont get tips.

And isnt tipping optional. If a stylist is going to turn away a repeat customer for failure to tip, they are showing unprofessionalism. Some of us here scrimp and save a long time to be able to afford a good haircut.
Just my opinion.

cubancurls 09-12-2009 08:55 PM

ladychristina, I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!!

kc02917 09-12-2009 08:56 PM

This really steams me up.

When NOT tipping please take into consideration that many hairdressers (especially those who rent)supply ALL of their own products tools ect. Have you checked the price of a good quality blowdryer, irons, brushes? How about shears? My cheapest shears cost me $200. Plus there is the rent and its not exactly $100 a month. I do not rent but know stylists who do. I work on commission and I get 55% which is the highest commission rate in my company, many stylists only get 35%. I charge $30 for a haircut. That means I keep $13.50 BEFORE TAXES are taken out of my paycheck. Not much by any means. If I dont make enough to make commission (and in this economy its hard) I only get $8/hr. There are many weeks that tip $ pays for my kid to have milk and bread. Hairdressers do appreciate good tips since we have to pay out of pocket for continuing education so we can ensure you walk out LOVING your hair. If you shaft us on a tip we will remember. If you tip us well, we will remember. I definately will take some extra time on a client who tips well versus one who will throw me $2 on a $30 haircut (especially if Ive really worked hard to impress them). Ive had clients not tip me at all (one was a full foil, cut and blowout that took 3 hours) and after a while, you really start to feel like you arent doing a good enuff job. You start to get a complex.

By all means, dont tip if you really feel we dont deserve it. You apparantly need the $ more than we do. But dont be a repeate customer. We will remember you and everyone else working in the salon will too.

kc02917 09-12-2009 09:16 PM

[/quote]And isnt tipping optional. If a stylist is going to turn away a repeat customer for failure to tip, they are showing unprofessionalism. Some of us here scrimp and save a long time to be able to afford a good haircut.
Just my opinion.[/quote]

I would never turn a customer away for not tipping/tipping well, but I certainly wouldnt throw them any extras like conditioning treatments, scalp massages, free blowouts, samples ect. Ill want to get then in and out so I can take someone who appreciates my knowledge and skill.

As for tipping lawyers, doctors and the like they charge WAY more for your time and you pay them a copay on top of what you are paying each week for insurance to afford them. Lawyers get a hell of a lot more than we do as stylists. These are way better paying jobs than that of a stylist many of which come with bonuses or incentive programs. Just b/c we have the potential to make a "good living" doesnt mean its that easy. Many of us work long hours, on call for really demanding people. I once had a client throw a hissy fit b/c I was taken out of work by my doctor for preeclampsia in my 8th month of pregnancy the day before her regularly scheduled haircut. She didnt care about me or the health of my uinborn child. Only that I wasnt available to trim her hair. Did I mention that we dont get health benefits paid by our employers? We dont get paid maternity leave and will actually lose clients if we dont get right back to it after giving birth. Yes people expect us to papoose the child so they can get their hair done. We also have to have our own workers insurance to cover us in case something were to happen at work.

For many of us who dont charge $50+ for a haircut a tip isnt just extra $. It has a purpose.

Spiralli 09-12-2009 09:44 PM

I don't think it's fair not to tip 15% to a stylist. 20% is what I usually do. It's a personal service + convenience. If I didn't want the convenience/knowledge/talent that goes with a stylist's time, I would DIY (and in my case botch it terribly).

I think that any service pertaining to personal hygiene deserves a tip. Yes, I think haircutting falls into that category, not to mention the training, talent and knowledge that a customer relies on when entrusting their appearance to this professional.

The only time I've heard a customer isn't supposed to tip the stylist is if s/he is the owner of the salon. Even then, I would feel awkward not tipping, but I know that's done. JMO.

crazywaves 09-12-2009 10:25 PM

I get alot of extras because of the tip I leave my stylist. She will squeeze me in when her schedule is full. I can just stop in to get my bangs trimmed between cuts at no charge. She gives me product at her cost and she has let me owe her when money was tight. She has told me before that alot of her clients dont leave tips.

ebzonix 09-12-2009 10:31 PM

For the first time this year I tipped the stylist and spent $120. Now the haircut wasn't all that, and the products in my hair weren't worth a penny for me. But that was the first time I'd ever heard of tipping a stylists as well as going into a very nice salon. Alot of people think I wasted my money but I would have felt bad, after hearing that you should tip stylist, if I had not tipped.

I guess I kind of agree with the OP, sometimes it's a steep road to climb but again, I am a newbie to all this dry cutting on curly hair so I'd appreciate any kind of help with my hair as far as a cut goes. But before that, I never heard of it.

Gills 09-12-2009 10:34 PM

I used to work at a vet's office (bear with me, this is relevant) and we got complaints all the time about the high prices. What people didn't realize was that the vast majority of the money coming in - we're talking some 90% or so - went straight back out, so that we could purchase good products and provide the very best care for the animals we treated. But all people saw were their high bills, and they became angry at us, because they had no idea why they were paying so much. Despite the cost to pet owners, veterinary medicine is by no means a field one enters into if one wishes to make a lot of money. Based on kc02917's posts, it sounds like a similar situation for stylists - the costs are so high simply because the profits are such a small percentage of what's coming in.

If you have a problem with the tip system, please take your anger out on the system, not the people who rely on it to make a living wage. For example, you could fight to increase the wage given to stylists, allowing them to rely more on a steady income and less on fluctuating and fickle tips. Use that anger you have about tipping to enact positive change. Because for now, by failing to tip your stylist, the only change you're enacting is making it harder for her to pay her bills.


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