Frustrated CG Wannabe

Hi everyone Here is my super frustrating dilemma. I have a little past shoulder length, 3a/3b hair. And it is literally the driest hair that I have ever seen in my whole entire life. I also, within the past 6 months, have noticed that I have been losing massive amounts of hair. Like, handfuls and handfuls of hair everytime I shower, and my hair is noticeably thinner. I tried going CG about 5 months ago, but basically my whole family thinks I'm the grossest person ever that I wasn't shampooing my hair everday. It pretty much got brought up in every conversation that I had, and my mom took me to a hairstylist who told me that my hair was falling out because I wasn't scrubbing my roots well enough with shampoo. She also told me that I should only be using about a nickel size amount of conditioner everytime I shampooed. I tried this for a while, but basically now my hair is just a huge insanely dry frizzy nasty mess. Somedays it is super wavy, somedays its really curly.

After browsing this site on and off for a few months, I'm pretty much convinced that you guys know what your talking about, and I realllllly could use some advice from people who actually have hair like mine, not some stick straight limp stylist.

I'm also a really broke college student, and can't afford to buy expensive stuff, or things off the internet. So basically drugstores are my only option.

I'm just soooo frustrated with my hair, and hopefully someone here can help point me in the right direction at least!
I'm sorry to hear you're having such a hard time, both with your hair and with your family. I'm a broke student as well, so here's what I use...

For your initial sulfate wash, you can either use a shampoo you already have (so long as it doesn't contain silicones) or you can buy a bottle of Suave or VO5 shampoo for about 97 cents.

For co-washing, I use a bottle of Suave Naturals conditioner. I like the waterfall mist smell, but it doesn't matter which one you use so long as it doesn't have silicones in it. A 97 cent bottle will last me for a couple of months.

For my rinse-out conditioner, I use the Kirkland Signature Hydrating Conditioner from Costco. It's about $7 for 80 ounces, and it lasts me a good long time, despite the fact that I use a huge palmful of it every time I wash.

For styling, I use Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel, which was a few dollars for 6 ounces. You can also experiment with making your own flax seed gel, as it's supposedly very moisturizing. Spend a few dollars to buy some flax seeds, and the rest is free because you make it yourself!

For super dry hair, I've found a basic extra virgin olive oil deep treatment can do wonders. Heat it up, slather it on your hair, leave it for a few hours, then wash it out. It took me a while to wash out the olive oil after my first deep treatment, but it gets easier every single time. My hair was really happy when I added an egg to my last olive oil treatment =)

And that's it! If you average everything out, it costs me a few dollars a month to feel really good about my hair. That's something I can definitely afford, even with my currently negative income.

As for your family, I'd say just don't tell them. When people ask me why my curls are looking so much better these days, I don't mention shampoo, I just tell them I've found a way to give them lots of extra moisture. No one has to know. And if they're paying attention to what products you keep in the shower, you could always keep a bottle of shampoo and use it as a shower gel!

I hope that helps. Don't hesitate to ask if you have other questions!
Hair type: 3a, medium porosity (??), medium texture
Final sulfate wash: April 14, 2009
Co-wash: Suave Pomegranate
Conditioner: GVPCB, AOHR, Garnier Triple Nutrition
Products: Experimenting with KCKT and KCCC

My hair loves:
Olive oil
LVPNG
...still trying to figure out what else!

My hair hates:
ACV
Biotera Curl Creme (?)
A-cone
First of all, I know what it feels like to be judged for trying not to shampoo. My mother told me every time she saw me (I'm in college as well) that my scalp smelled and people were going to think I was disgusting and I'd never make any friends/get any jobs, etc etc. Here's my advice: shut it out. You've gotta do what makes you happy and be willing to let results and your attitude speak for themselves. When I was legitimately CG for an extended period of time, my hair looked great and I felt great about it. It was truly the first time in my life that I had accepted myself wholly, and it led to several other positive transformations in my life and I honestly don't feel like I'm exaggerating when I say that trusting myself and not letting someone else decide how my life should be run was one of the best steps I've taken in my life.

OK on to less sappy stuff. The AVERAGE person loses 100-150 hairs per day. That means that there are people who lose more, and people who lose less. You could just be one who loses more. Make sure that most of the hairs you're losing have little white balls on one end. That means that that one hair completed its life cycle and it fell out naturally. Make sure you're getting all your dietary needs filled (a multivitamin might be a good idea just to make sure there aren't any holes in your nutrition which might be contributing to the hair loss).

Going CG doesn't need to be expensive. I've had great success in the past using Suave Naturals Coconut as a cowash, L'oreal Vive Pro Nutri Gloss for Medium to Long Hair that's Wavy/Curly as a rinse out, and an herbal essences gel (either totally twisted, set me up, or body envy) as my entire routine. It sounds like your hair is desperately crying out for moisture, so some deep treatments would definitely help. Invest in a high quality deep treatment like Curl Junkie's Curl Rehab. Deep treatments, especially when you're extremely dry, are important and I think putting some money into a good one is a worthwhile investment. Of course, if you have a kitchen, there are some nice deep treatments that can be made in the kitchen. Check the recipes forum for ideas on those.
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Thank you so much for your responses! I think Thursday when I have the day off and the whole house to myself I'm going to try the olive oil deep treatment. Can I start CG and do a deep treatment all in the same day?

I have some Suave conditioner, peach I do believe. Would that be okay as a co-wash? And currently i'm using a pantene shampoo, which i'm pretty sure might have cones in it, so that probably wouldnt be a good shampoo to use right before I start CG right?

I've been a faithful follower of HE gel, mostly totally twisted. Does anyone know anything about the mousse or the new spray gel?

And regarding the hair loss, I've decided to talk to my doctor about getting my thyroid tested, because after googling hairloss I found out I have a few symptoms. So I'm going to start there. If that's all good and well, I'll probably start taking some multivitamins, maybe one of those fancy hair vitamins too.

Thanks so much again for all your help!
Your hairdresser was right that you need to scrub your scalp when you wash your hair - but you don't need to use harsh shampoo to do that. You can do it just as well with conditioner, and avoid drying out your scalp and damaging your hair. Your hair and scalp won't smell bad, since all conditioners have cleansing ingredients in them.

Just make sure you're massaging your co-wash into your scalp very well - take a total of about 2 or 3 minutes to massage all over your scalp, one small area at a time, using only the pads of your fingers (not the nails!). You can also gently wash your hair at the same time using the same conditioner. Then rinse thoroughly, still massaging your scalp with the pads of your fingers to make sure all the sebum, dirt, and dead skin cells are rinsed away.

I can't find an online list of ingredients for the Suave peach, so you'll have to read the list of ingredients on your bottle just to make absolutely certain there's no silicones in it. Silicones go by many names, but they end in "-cone", "-xane", or "-conol". There are preservatives that end in "-one" (no "c") - those are ok to use.

Yep, you'll need to do one last shampoo to get out previous silicone residues. The suave naturals shampoos are cone free, and a cheap way to go. (You can use the rest of the bottle as hand soap)

Regarding hair loss, if the strands you're losing do not have the root attached, then what's actually happening is that your hair is breaking off because of tangling, dryness, and damage. I remember reading somewhere (among the plethora of CG information) that hairs that would normally have fallen out get tangled in the rest of your hair, so that when you wash your hair, it will seem like a lot more is falling out at once. If the hairs mostly have the root attached, make sure you're eating an adequate diet. Crash diets cause hair loss! If you've lost a good bit of weight over the last 3-6 months, that can cause hair loss too - but once an adequate diet is resumed, the hair will grow back unless there is some underlying health factor involved.

One thing you can do is to help determine what's going on is to check for new hair growth - if there are little short hairs (easiest to see along your hairline), then it's ok - you've just gone through a cyclic or diet induced shedding. Some people take 1,000-5000 mcg (1-5 g) biotin to help hair growth, but that still will not stop normal cyclic hair loss, nor will it fix previous damage that causes breakage. Going CG will help to improve the condition and moisture level of your hair, and temporarily repair damage to minimize additional breakage while the new growth is coming in.
co-wash - Suave Naturals Coconut
condish - Trader Joe's TTT and Refresh
styling - FOTE, shea butter, jojoba oil, LA Looks

Kryptonite: Stearalkonium Chloride, quats
What everyone else has said.

Also are you in a hard water area? I can do cg in soft water area but at home in hard water I get too much build up and greasy roots and needs more than conditioner to shift- so I use a natural shampoo every so often.

Dont bother telling your family- my mum had that reaction- then she saw how much better my hair is. I don't get grief anymore.

Best hair gel I use I make myself- seach for the flaxseed hair gel on boards- its soooooo cheap, easy and moisturizing.

Good luck!
Thank you so much for your responses! I think Thursday when I have the day off and the whole house to myself I'm going to try the olive oil deep treatment. Can I start CG and do a deep treatment all in the same day?

I have some Suave conditioner, peach I do believe. Would that be okay as a co-wash? And currently i'm using a pantene shampoo, which i'm pretty sure might have cones in it, so that probably wouldnt be a good shampoo to use right before I start CG right?

I've been a faithful follower of HE gel, mostly totally twisted. Does anyone know anything about the mousse or the new spray gel?

And regarding the hair loss, I've decided to talk to my doctor about getting my thyroid tested, because after googling hairloss I found out I have a few symptoms. So I'm going to start there. If that's all good and well, I'll probably start taking some multivitamins, maybe one of those fancy hair vitamins too.

Thanks so much again for all your help!
Originally Posted by AnnaCate007
AnnaCate007 I am so glad you are going to get your thyroid tested because that is exactly what I was going to suggest! I have Hashimoto's disease and when my thyroid is too high (hyperthyroid), my hair falls out in massive quantities. It is truly shocking. If I were you I would ask them to not only test you for your thyroid levels (i.e. T3, T4, TSH, free T3, etc.), but also request to have your Hashimoto's and Grave's disease antibody levels checked because your thyroid levels can fluctuate and may read normal even if you have a serious problem (spoken from experience!).

Regarding the HE mousse- I've used it a couple of times and it is currently sitting on my shelf. I didn't think it was anything to go nuts over personally. I liked the totally twisted gel for a while and then one day I found the set me up gel- wow what a difference. If you haven't tried that gel, I would encourage you to do so. I see it at my local Target on sale for $2.50 quite regularly- I buy out the shelf when I can!

I recently broke down and tried flax seed gel. It is, by far, the best thing I have ever used AND it is super cheap. However, it looks like snot (and as my husband says, other unsavory things), so it might not be best for you considering your sensitive family situation.

Also, I have very dry, porous hair, and I do a weekly DT with the Suave Naturals coconut (I just like the scent) conditioner, olive oil, and honey in equal parts. I would highly recommend trying out some honey on your hair (I love it)- you just need to heat it up a bit before doing so to avoid lightening your hair.
CG Since 5/23/09
3a - High Porosity / Coarse Texture on Crown, Medium Texture Beneath
CO Wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Cond.
Condition: Salon Care Honey Almond Cond.
Gel: Biotera gel
DT: Honey, conditioner, EVOO(1x/wk)
What excellent advice! I second everything that the previous posters said-- massage scalp with fingertips, deep treatments, etc.

The only thing I have to add is to ask your doctor about getting your blood iron levels checked. Low iron is an incredibly common cause of hair loss in women, more so than thyroid issues. If your thyroid levels come back normal, ask for a second test for iron. You definitely need to get your levels checked before starting an iron supplement regimen, because it is very easy to take too much iron!
Thank you all so much for your help and advice. It is sooooo unbelievably nice to know that there are other people who understand me and my hair needs!!!

I'm planning on making an appointment tomorrow with my doctor, I'll definately ask him to due a full thyroid panel and check for Grave's and Hashimoto's as well. Iron too. Most of my hair that comes out comes at the root, and I'm not having any noticeable hair growth. I have lost about 15 lbs in the past 2 months, but I think that has more to do with a lifestyle change of less pizza and beer, more salads and ice teas! I know that diet changes can cause hair loss, but i've been experiencing it for roughly 6 months, which is a lot longer than I've been having diet changes. And i'm not just losing hair in the shower, but EVERYWHERE. My mom jokes that I would be the worst person in the world to kidnap because I leave long curly hairs everywhere, on the couch, on the computer, in her car, in my car, on clean laundry, everywhere. And everytime I shower, if I clean out the drain and ball up the hair, its usually between the size of a nectarine and the size of grapefruit. Which i'm assuming is more hair to be losing than normal.

Today I did my last sulfate wash with suave daily clarifying shampoo, and I didn't have any cone free conditioner other than the sauve peach, so I only used that, and I let it mostly air dry, which took about 4 hours. But honestly, I already notice a difference.

I'm so excited to try this! I literally have no money in my bank account (well 55 cents), so i'm going to try an olive oil/egg/honey deep conditioning treatment this week. I've heard the olive oil can be a pain to get out in the shower, but I've got all day to work at it!

I think our water is a little bit on the hard side, but much softer compared to the college dorms I lived in! I've thought about investing in one of those shower filter heads, but yet again, i'm just a lowly college student right now!

And etripoli, I've tried the HE mousse a few times, but I'm not too impressed either. I have only ever tried the Totally Twisted gel, but I'm totally gunna try the Set Me Up gel next time! Thanks for the heads up!!
All the previous posters had really good advice, so there's not much I can add, but I do want to say something regarding the hair loss. Thyroid problems are probably the most likely case, but it can also happen approximately 3 months after a major illness. I had pneumonia last spring, and sure enough, clumps of hair started falling out in the shower. It was very scary for me-- I had just figured out how to manage my hair, and now it's falling out?? What kind of karma is that?! My mother first thought that it was because I was doing many hair "experiments" (I wasn't completely CG yet), but then I got her to call my doctor, who said that it's not uncommon to have a hair loss after an illness like that.

Good luck with everything!
2c/3a/3b
Co-Wash: TJ's Nourish
Conditioner: 1/2 TJ's Nourish, 1/2 AO Honeysuckle Rose
Leave-in: GDLI, CJ Curl Assurance
Love: Pineappling, FSG and this website!
CG Since Sept. 5th, 2009!!!

With the help of StruttsWife's E-book:
Normal Porosity, Fine Texture (who would've thunk!), normal elasticity, and medium density.

PM me if you have suggestions for my hair (i.e. product, etc.), help would be very much appreciated!
I can definitely recommend a shower filter if you live somewhere with less than ideal water. When we moved from Texas to Tennessee I noticed I was losing a lot more hair in the shower and it was REALLY frizzy. I also noticed a strong chlorine smell after a shower and my skin was dry. I got a Culligan filter from Amazon.com for less than $20 and the problems immediately got better. Good luck and stick to your guns!
2 mix on top/3a underneath, fine, thick, normal porosity
poo- T/Gel
Co- Suave Naturals Ocean Breeze
LI- Suave (summer), LOOC (winter)
Styling- Biotera Curl Creme and Styling Glaze (summer), HETT gel (winter)
luckycurls, are you talking about one like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Culligan-ISH-1...3025256&sr=8-6

I live in AZ and the water is HARD HARD HARD, so I'm interested in giving it a try.
CG Since 5/23/09
3a - High Porosity / Coarse Texture on Crown, Medium Texture Beneath
CO Wash: Trader Joe's Tea Tree Cond.
Condition: Salon Care Honey Almond Cond.
Gel: Biotera gel
DT: Honey, conditioner, EVOO(1x/wk)
I am definately going to look into that shower filter. I just got hired today for a new job (yay) so I might soon be able to actually afford to buy new things for my hair!

Today for the first time in my life I got second day hair! I'm so pumped! I wish I could just get my oily face to give me second day skin also haha. I swear, if i don't shower and wash my face in the shower everyday I look like I've been sweating all day my face is so shiny.

I'm still in awe that so many people are willing to help! I love this place already!!!!
Thank you so much for your responses! I think Thursday when I have the day off and the whole house to myself I'm going to try the olive oil deep treatment. Can I start CG and do a deep treatment all in the same day?

I have some Suave conditioner, peach I do believe. Would that be okay as a co-wash? And currently i'm using a pantene shampoo, which i'm pretty sure might have cones in it, so that probably wouldnt be a good shampoo to use right before I start CG right?

I've been a faithful follower of HE gel, mostly totally twisted. Does anyone know anything about the mousse or the new spray gel?

And regarding the hair loss, I've decided to talk to my doctor about getting my thyroid tested, because after googling hairloss I found out I have a few symptoms. So I'm going to start there. If that's all good and well, I'll probably start taking some multivitamins, maybe one of those fancy hair vitamins too.

Thanks so much again for all your help!
Originally Posted by AnnaCate007
Regarding hair loss from thyroid issues...been there done that...pm me and I'll tell you more. Cheers, Tee
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