determining porosity and elasticity help?

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First of all, how do you know about the porosity/elasticity of your hair, and second of all, how do those conclusions affect the products you use.

Help, please?
2c/3a/3b
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Conditioner: 1/2 TJ's Nourish, 1/2 AO Honeysuckle Rose
Leave-in: GDLI, CJ Curl Assurance
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CG Since Sept. 5th, 2009!!!

With the help of StruttsWife's E-book:
Normal Porosity, Fine Texture (who would've thunk!), normal elasticity, and medium density.

PM me if you have suggestions for my hair (i.e. product, etc.), help would be very much appreciated!
This is the guide I go by. I just took all the various tests and put them together to help determine porosity.

1. Your hair soaks up water easily. Your hair dries quickly. Your hair absorbs hair dye quicker than the time indicated on the box. When you run your finger along a strand of hair from end to root, it is bumpy. = porous hair.

Porous hair can use some protein. You also have to figure out a way to keep moisture in your hair because while it absorbs moisture readily, it also loses it quickly. But also if your hair soaks up too much moisture it will be poofy and lack definition. With porous hair you have to be very careful about the amount of humectant products used and pay careful attention to dewpoints. You also have to seal in the moisture you put in. A lot of porous hair curlies do ACV rinses, use hard hold gels or emolients like oils and butters to seal in moisture.

2. Your hair takes a long time to soak up water, long time to dry, takes longer time to dye. When you run your finger up the strand it is silky smooth. = low porosity.

Low porosity hair has too much protein so you want to avoid it. You also have to figure out how to get moisture into your hair by maybe using humectants (in the right dewpoints) or moisturizing products.

3. Anything else is probably normal porosity. You can use about any product your want. But make sure to keep a balance between moisture and protein levels.

Elasticity.

Take a strand of hair. I like to use hair that has pulled out from a comb or brush. wet it and hold at both ends. Pull on it.

1. If it stretches about 30-50% without breaking you have normal elasticity. You can use any product.

2. If it doesn't stretch far before snapping you have poor elasticity. This means your hair has too much protein so avoid products with protein and use products with intense moisture.

3. If it stretches a lot, more than 50%, before breaking, then you have very elastic hair. This means you need more protein. Use products that contain more protein.

This is what I have been able to come up with. I am sure others can chime in with some good info. But note since hair can be a blend of porosity, textures and elasticities that don't actually have similar properties (ie., fine, non-elastic, with high porosity) it requires experimentation to figure out what balance of products will be good for your hair. You can use the above as a guideline on where to begin.

You can check out www.livecurlylivefree.com for good info also.
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~belasuna
3a/b, very dry, fine/med-coarse, high porosity
CG since 7/27/09
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CW: protein free-cleansing creme
CO: protein free MRcondish
Styler: FSG + protein free LI Elixir, Gellie, Shine & Seal Serum
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If your hair makes a snap sound when it breaks, good idea to use shed hair, it has normal elasticity.
Hair: coarse texture; low porosity; normal density and elasticity
Thank you, thank you for the clear explanation!

It's sort of cool b/c when I first started CG my hair stretched SO much before it broke. I just tried another strand and it stretched a little, then "snap"!

I just did a protein treatment not too long ago so maybe it's working! I still feel the prickly feeling a little when I run my fingers up a strand from end to root though - but not as much as before, I don't think.

2a/3a, fine, highlights and lowlights, shoulder length. Chicago suburbs.

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Co-wash: Suave Tangerine or Strawberry
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Leave-In: Beauticurls LI, LOOC, GDLI
Stylers: Terax Silk Foam, KCCC, Komaza CHP, Aquage Megagel, ABBA Pure Finish
SOTC: Tweek,CJ Beyoooticurls Leave-In!
DT: JCWDT, Ouidad, Curl Fix

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Thank you so much, I could never figure out elasticity and never understood what stretchy hair was. Too bad I tosse the clump of hair in my drain!

I will test tomorrow.

Thanks again!
3A, Protein Senitive, Low Porosity,
Med-Course
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Rinse out/Leave In: GVP Cond. Balm, KCKT,
Style: Naturelle Gel(winter HG), KCCC (summer HG), Flaxseed gel
SOTC: JCNS
Love your hair: Love yourself!
I wouldn't avoid protein if your elasticity is zip to poor. That's me, and I was avoiding protein, and my hair was looking not as great as I wanted.

I started adding protein, hair perked up nicely.

I've read name stylists say non-elastic hair NEEDS protein (and rymorg on here, who is a stylist, too, says the same).

I have a chart by a hair specializing chemist who also says non-elastic hair needs lots of moisture (ie deep condishes weekly) and needs a protein tx monthly.

So, the no protein advice that I followed early in my CG was not doing my zip elasticity hair much good. I needed protein....and I've been using hardcore Joico with good results (and using products with protein daily with good results).

My elasticity used to be zip. Now it's...nearly zip. So a mild improvement.

I did get overconditioned for a spell, so I just cut back on the deep condishes (haven't done one post poo in two months, ready to resume soon).
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Now I'm low porosity also. I do not color, no heat dry.

I do use some protein condish (suave coconut) and once in a while I use LA looks curl gel. These bits of protein I can tolerate. But after a few days of these things...it's frizz city. Then I have to cut back.

So, Med to coarse hari, low porosity and no color or heat...must mean I need very little protein.
Do you think?
3A, Protein Senitive, Low Porosity,
Med-Course
Wash: Suave Naturals Conds (excluding Coconut), CVSB
Rinse out/Leave In: GVP Cond. Balm, KCKT,
Style: Naturelle Gel(winter HG), KCCC (summer HG), Flaxseed gel
SOTC: JCNS
Love your hair: Love yourself!
The more I read about porosity the more confused I get I thought I had it figured out, but now I'm not so sure.
My hair does get wet quickly and dries fairly quickly too, I think, but feels soft and silky rather then dry and isn't mushy feeling when wet. My stylist always raves about how healthy my hair is too. So, maybe I'm more in the normal catagory?
I was testing elasticity again today and I'm pretty sure my gray strands are low elasticity as they snap almost instantly. The brown stands stretch/bounce back like they should so they would be normal. That makes my elasticity a mix of normal and low.
Medium-fine Texture, Normal Porosity, Normal Elasticity, Thick Density
Co-wash: Renpure Body&Shine
RO: Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner
LI/Curl Enhancer: Kenra Moisturizing Conditioner
Other: I'll add a little AG Mousse Gel if I want something extra.
The more I read about porosity the more confused I get I thought I had it figured out, but now I'm not so sure.
My hair does get wet quickly and dries fairly quickly too, I think, but feels soft and silky rather then dry and isn't mushy feeling when wet. My stylist always raves about how healthy my hair is too. So, maybe I'm more in the normal catagory?
I was testing elasticity again today and I'm pretty sure my gray strands are low elasticity as they snap almost instantly. The brown stands stretch/bounce back like they should so they would be normal. That makes my elasticity a mix of normal and low.
Originally Posted by heidi
Just like hair can have dry patches, straighter areas, etc, it can have multi-elasticity levels.

I have hair my hair-dresser raves about as healthy, too. But I'm very low elasticity (probably from all that stretching, stretching and high heat of blow-drying for years.) It is quite porous (I wet quickly, I dry quickly. I have that slightly bumpy/rough feel in the test that Struttswife describes.)

But if you touch it, it feels good. If it's clean, it's shiny. And my curls look pretty most of the time (especially first day). It's bouncy. If you pull my curliest curls, they have like a 4 inch bounce (you pull it four inches to straighten, then it bounces back. My forehead bang curls--see avatar-- stretch to my chin). That's my curl's bounce, not my "strand elasticity".
3a3b dry, dyed --newly "banged"
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~S&C; SMasters Method; Pixie-curling
Dumping clumps for VOLUME!
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Marchioness Mir, Magister of Moisturization & Mystic of the Lofty Crown in the Order of the Curly Crusaders
What if your hair gets wet and dries quickly but doesn't feel bumpy/rough?
Curl Type: 2b/2c
Porosity: Normal
Elasticity: Normal (I get breakage when I pre-poo and then when I shampoo it all out and then some more over the course of the next 24 hours.)
Texture: Medium
All this stuff is so confusing!! Who ever thought that hair had SO much complexity?! I My hair takes in a lot of water and dries faster on top than it does underneath. I don't think I have any elasticity. When I pull a hair it snaps and if I don't use my modified skip curling method, I my hair draws up a fair amount. I think for the most part it's healthy it just needs moisture! Sometimes knowing more makes me more crazy!!


my tag below is very old. Anyone know how I can update it? I tried to on the "edit your profile" page, but I couldn't find it!!
Very Curly and Thick hair.
3a/b.
I think I have medium hair with normal to high porosity. And I need all the moisture I can get!!

Currently using:

C: Curl Junkie Curl Assurance Smoothing
S: Ouidad CQ/Pureology Hydrate

LI: AG Fast Food

Stylers: AG Re:coil (super soak), then CIAB and some CHS CK on top.

**trying CCCC & Beuticurls LI

Style: scrunch and finger curl where I see the hair is not clumping well. Diffuse.

Last edited by BamaCurlyQ; 08-23-2010 at 12:08 PM. Reason: my tag below...
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I wouldn't avoid protein if your elasticity is zip to poor. That's me, and I was avoiding protein, and my hair was looking not as great as I wanted.

I started adding protein, hair perked up nicely.

My elasticity used to be zip. Now it's...nearly zip. So a mild improvement.
I edited Mir's post to reflect my experience. I need tons of moisture and a pretty good amount of protein.
The more I read about porosity the more confused I get I thought I had it figured out, but now I'm not so sure.
My hair does get wet quickly and dries fairly quickly too, I think, but feels soft and silky rather then dry and isn't mushy feeling when wet. My stylist always raves about how healthy my hair is too. So, maybe I'm more in the normal catagory?
I was testing elasticity again today and I'm pretty sure my gray strands are low elasticity as they snap almost instantly. The brown stands stretch/bounce back like they should so they would be normal. That makes my elasticity a mix of normal and low.
I'm not an expert at these things, but here goes.
You need protein if
1) Your hair is fine. Fine hair has less protein naturally and therefore needs it whatever it's porosity (generally speaking).
and/or
2)Your hair is porous. Protein helps to temporarily fix the "holes' in the hairs cuticle. Proceed with caution if your hair is coarse and porous.
and/or
3) you are over conditioned. Overconditioned hair can feel mushy when wet, stretches too much, and doesn't return to it's original shape. I *think* you can also get cotton candy hair from over conditioning.

So yes, your hair can need protein and not feel mushy.
If anything I posted isn't correct, feel free to correct me. I'm not an expert at protein/moisture balance.
BamaCurlyQ

my tag below is very old. Anyone know how I can update it? I tried to on the "edit your profile" page, but I couldn't find it!!
There is an orange bar across the top of the page. Click on "user CP". Then click on "edit signature".
http://pedaheh.blogspot.com/ (a blog to help new wavies, go to the how do I get started page)
2a (nc.com) 2bFi (Fia), very fine, thin, low/normal elasticity, porous, CG, doesn't get weighed down
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Curl enhancer: FSG
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my tag below is very old. Anyone know how I can update it? I tried to on the "edit your profile" page, but I couldn't find it!!
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You are awesome!! Thanks!!
Very Curly and Thick hair.
3a/b.
I think I have medium hair with normal to high porosity. And I need all the moisture I can get!!

Currently using:

C: Curl Junkie Curl Assurance Smoothing
S: Ouidad CQ/Pureology Hydrate

LI: AG Fast Food

Stylers: AG Re:coil (super soak), then CIAB and some CHS CK on top.

**trying CCCC & Beuticurls LI

Style: scrunch and finger curl where I see the hair is not clumping well. Diffuse.
This is from livecurlylivefree.com

I thought this made a lot of sense.....

What, exactly, do I mean by 'naked hair'? When I talk about 'naked hair' to my clients, what I am referring to is hair sans any kind of product: no conditioner, no gel, no curl cream, no pomade, no oil, no nothing. Just your own glorious hair strands, as bare and pristine as the day you were born, and nothing else.

I often have the 'naked hair' conversation with my clients during the course of a client consultation for one reason in particular: there are many girls with curls who are still using products with ingredients I don't consider to be curly-friendly, such as sulfates and non-water soluble silicones. And when I mention my concerns about some of these products to a client, the reaction I sometimes get is, "But I just love how these products make my hair feel! It's so smooth and super shiny."

My next question to my client, then, is, "So how does your 'naked hair' feel? You know, your hair when you don't have any product in it?"

Without exception, the response I receive is, "Oh, it's just terrible. It feels dry and tangled and it's really bad. I can barely get a comb through it in the shower and if I let it dry without any product, it's all frizzy and it's just like straw."

I bet. And I can tell you there is a reason for that.

What we sometimes don't realize (and what product manufacturers certainly don't tell us) is that products loaded with curly-unfriendly ingredients--the products that make your hair feel so 'good'--are also the products that make it feel so 'bad.' When you put a product that is not manufactured for optimal curly hair health onto your strands, the ingredients in it are going to start causing issues like breakage, splitting and dehydration, and you are going to start feeling dry, tangled and unmanageable. The 'good' feeling you get from that product is because the product is disguising the very issues it is causing. It creates a dependency in you that leads you to believe that very product is necessary for your hair health and well-being because, well let's face it, your hair could never be that smooth, healthy and silky without it, now would it?

Wrong, wrong, wrong!

If a product is good for your hair, it will never, ever cause your 'naked hair' to feel anything but moisturized, healthy and strong. A product that is good for your hair will not cause dehydration and frizz, it will not cause you to be tangled and unmanageable, and it will certainly never contribute to hair breakage and hair loss. If your 'naked hair' can't and won't feel good on its own when you are using a particular product, then that product has absolutely no business being in your hair. My 'naked hair' is silky, shiny and strong because I use products with healthy, curly-friendly ingredients that deserve to be in my hair, not products that will destroy the foundation of hair health I have worked so hard to create over the past eight years.

Your 'naked hair' deserves no less either.
I need help in this subject. When I have 'naked hair', my curls are very loose; they look like they've been curled at times. But if I use LA looks curl gel, my whole head of hair turns to 3a and 2c curls. When I was little I had a full head of spirals and I've almost gotten them back but not by itself.
I use a silicone free shampoo and suave conditioner with a deep conditioner once a week. I haven't used any heat in about 5 months. The only elasticity is in my front cowlick, so do I have too little or too much protein?
Curly Girl Since February 8, 2010 (2/8/2010)!
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2c-3a
How much is normal/average drying time for fine, shoulder-length hair with normal density? I also think I have normal elasticity.

Yesterday, I tried keeping track of how long it took to dry. I washed at aprox. 5:00 pm and my hair was still wet when I got to my class at 6:30.

I'm still confused about my porosity. When I go up a hair strand it always squeaks and although it doesn't feel bumpy--I felt my boyfriend's thick hair, and it felt very different and sort of bumpy--, I wouldn't say it goes up smoothly.
thank you, thank you for the clear explanation!

It's sort of cool b/c when i first started cg my hair stretched so much before it broke. I just tried another strand and it stretched a little, then "snap"!

I just did a protein treatment not too long ago so maybe it's working! I still feel the prickly feeling a little when i run my fingers up a strand from end to root though - but not as much as before, i don't think.
Originally Posted by shortstack

what is cg ? Can't figure out the meaning of this abbreviation.
I know of another test for hair porosity... Take some hair strands, and run your two fingers (index and thumb together) through them. If it feels perfectly smooth... you have normal porosity. If it feels very slick, dense and even hard, you have low porosity. And if the strands either break or "ruffles" up... you have high porosity.

Anyway, on elasticity... I thoroughly wet a single strand of my hair. On both ends, I pull... it takes about 2-3 seconds before it snaps. I guess I have high elasticity, then?

EDIT: Wait, wait! I did the test again... I think I made a mistake previously... My hands were wet and it kept sliding on the strand, so I thought my strand was very stretchy when that wasn't it... so I did it again, kept a firm grip on each end, and it took like a second before it snapped. So I guess I have low elasticity. Right?

CG since 3/11/2012

Type 2C (Botticelli according to Curly Girl: The Handbook)
iii Density
Medium-Coarse Texture
Normal Porosity
Normal Elasticity
HATES: Traditional sulfates/cones.
LOVES: Lots of moisture and homemade FSG!
(Many thanks to
http://www.livecurlylivefree.com/ for helping me figure out my texture, porosity, and elasticity properties! Check them out sometime!)

Last edited by whirlyhair; 01-30-2012 at 03:41 PM.
what is cg ? Can't figure out the meaning of this abbreviation.
Originally Posted by Chaklat
cg = curly girl. meaning no sulfate shampoos, no cones.

and i also take it to mean the whole method of natural curly hair care.
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3a, some 2c & 3b, medium texture, porosity normal, low elasticity
washing/cowashing, conditioning, protein tx: curl junkie products
leave in:cj conditioners and treatments as leave in
styling: cj pattern pusha, cj honey butta leave in, cj cccc, cj ciab, lalsg. cj aloe fix gel is my high dews/summer HG!!
sealants - spiral solutions emollience butter, jane carter nourish & shine
My hair is weird. It takes forever to get wet, but it dries really quickly. When I run my fingers up the strand, it is smooth. Long story short, I am considered normal to low porosity. Odd, but true.
-3a/3b, fine, very thick, normal por., normal elast., long, dye- free (CG since Nov. '11)
-CO: every other night (air dry) VO5 (various scents)
-Low poo (As needed): ION Color Defense Clarifying, Yes To line, Giovanni TTTT
-RO: GVP CB
-LI: Giovanni DLI or a tiny bit of my co-wash or RO (sometimes none)
-Styling: BYZ Noodle Head Tame your Curls Mousse
-PT: ION Effective Care



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