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Old 09-15-2009, 12:57 PM   #1
 
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Default Hair not absorbing anything!! Including water and product

Hi everyone,

I putting this post up to try and help my mom figure out what is going on with her hair. Here is the situation.

My mom has been natural for 6 months or so and can't figure her hair out. She has a TWA with a mix of 4a and 4b hair. More 4a in the front and 4b in the back. She also has a thin spot in the middle (crown area of her head). She uses Trader Joes Tea Tree Shampoo (usually once a month) and Herbal Essence Hello Hydration Condition for co-washing 1-2x per week. After co-washing, she uses KT as a leave in about a dime size and then uses the KCCC to style. Sometimes she will let it air dry and other times she sits under a hood dryer. Once it's completely dry she uses organic coconut oil to seal.

The problem she is having and has had for awhile is that her hair dries out very fast. She says sometimes the water will just roll off of her hair (like a duck's feather when it has contact with water). Now she says the products do not seem to absorb into the hair, it will bead up on the hair.

So, in short her hair is not getting moisture.I'm thinking that she has a porosity problem.

Any suggestions would be nice or she may give up on the natural thing. I don't want her to do that!!

Thanks,
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Old 09-15-2009, 01:16 PM   #2
 
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Hi. I'm sorry to hear about your mother's problem. Based on what you've written, it sounds like either she has severe buildup on the hair or low porosity where, as you indicated, water, products, and moisture can't get into her hair.

Ingredients: Water, stearyl alcohol, cyclopentasiloxane, cetyl alcohol, stearamidopropyl dimethylamine, dimethicone, vanilla planifolia fruit extract, cocoa nucifera (coconut) milk fragrance, glutamic acid, benzyl alcohol, edta, methylchloroisothiazolinone, methylisothiazolinone, citric acid, blue 1.

I checked the ingredients (above) for the co-wash condish and the 3rd ingredient is a cone which requires a low-poo to remove, but the 7th ingredient is a bad cone which can only be removed with a sulfate shampoo. If your mother only shampoos once a month, these cones are building up and sealing the cuticle of her hair. This is probably why she can't get moisture into her hair.

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First I would try a clarifying shampoo. If this doesn't work, then I heard a baking soda treatment can open up the hair cuticle. But with the latter, you have to be very careful not to damage the hair.

In general if your mother has dry hair, she needs to get more moisture into it on a regular/consistent basis. She should do weekly deep treatments. I like Jessicurl Weekly Deep Treatment for intensive moisturizing. I also think she should co-wash more often than 1-2x per week and use another condish that doesn't have the following silicones in it. The first 5 are very bad.
  • Cetearyl Methicone
  • Cetyl Dimethicone
  • Dimethicone
  • Dimethiconol
  • Stearyl Dimethicone
  • Amodimethicone (ok but I would avoid)
  • Cyclomethicone/Cyclopentasiloxane (ok but I would avoid)
  • Trimethylsilylamodimethicone (ok but I would avoid)
Lastly, does your mom have coarse, fine or normal textured hair. If she has coarse hair I would avoid coconut oil. Other good hair oils are olive oil, avocado, apricot. I hope this helps.

Edit: I just noticed that the hello hydration also has coconut milk. This is also not good for coarse hair. Coconut milk and coconut cream has a high protein content. However, if her hair is normal or fine, the protein is okay.
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Old 09-15-2009, 01:33 PM   #3
 
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Hi everyone,

I putting this post up to try and help my mom figure out what is going on with her hair. Here is the situation.

My mom has been natural for 6 months or so and can't figure her hair out. She has a TWA with a mix of 4a and 4b hair. More 4a in the front and 4b in the back. She also has a thin spot in the middle (crown area of her head). She uses Trader Joes Tea Tree Shampoo (usually once a month) and Herbal Essence Hello Hydration Condition for co-washing 1-2x per week. After co-washing, she uses KT as a leave in about a dime size and then uses the KCCC to style. Sometimes she will let it air dry and other times she sits under a hood dryer. Once it's completely dry she uses organic coconut oil to seal.

The problem she is having and has had for awhile is that her hair dries out very fast. She says sometimes the water will just roll off of her hair (like a duck's feather when it has contact with water). Now she says the products do not seem to absorb into the hair, it will bead up on the hair.

So, in short her hair is not getting moisture.I'm thinking that she has a porosity problem.

Any suggestions would be nice or she may give up on the natural thing. I don't want her to do that!!

Thanks,
Alexis a.k.a. Cinnamoncurl82
For some people Coconut Oil is drying since it either can act like a protein or it has a little protein (hopefully someone that replies knows). I am one of those people. No matter how much I love smell I can't use it....not even in a deep conditioning treatment mixed with other products.

So I would try cutting that out and finding something that will moisturize the hair. My current favs are Castor Oil and DB Madascar Vanilla Styling Creme. But, I hear rave reviews about the QB Alma and Olive Heave Cream and the Olive and Honey Hyrdating Balm. Oh and Shea Butter has been talked about too. Also, I would tell her to apply a bit more than a dime size portion of KCKT. I know it's a twa, but if she is experiencing dryness she most likely can use more than that and not suffer ill effects.

Does she do dt's and if so what does she do and and how often? If she's not she should start doing them twice a week and see if that helps. Another possible problem could be the fact that she is using HEHH. Maybe her natural hair doesn't like cones. So that could be another potential problem. HTH
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Old 09-15-2009, 01:49 PM   #4
 
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I also wanted to add that NaturallyCurlyEnnovy is correct about the amount of product. A dime size of the KCKT is too little, especially if your mom has dry hair. Also, if you want your mom to go and stay CG, she must avoid all -cones. And as I said above the Hello Hydration has 2 of them.

To respons to NaturallyCurlyEnnovy statement about coconut oil in more detail: As I said coconut milk and cream are nearly 50% protein (the milk has less). The oil is the pressed oil from the meat, and while it doesn't have protein it acts to prevent protein from being loss and may even stregthen the existing protein in the hair. This is a problem if you have coarse, non-elastic, or low porosity hair. Hair with any of those qualities does not like protein because it already has tons of it. So the coconut oil is enhancing this protein. This hair type in general (and IMHO) should avoid coconut products.
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Thanks to the both of you!!

I will definitely be getting this information to her ASAP.

She does have a course texture of hair-so the coconut oil must go.

Thank you again!!!

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Old 09-16-2009, 06:02 AM   #6
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i bet the curl junkie line would work great for her hair. you should look at their website and see.
it seems expensive, but you use so little of the products that it is cost effective.
and, if she is confused about which products would be best for her, she can email the owner, marsha, from the website and tell her her problem and ask for advice. marsha is great and will most likely answer her email within a couple of hours!! seriously!
good luck! tell her not to give up on cg.
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I would also have her consider getting a shower filter. It could be the water.
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Old 09-17-2009, 01:39 PM   #8
 
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Hi all,

She is going to try the baking soda wash either tonight or tomorrow and do a dt with one of the new conditioners that was suggested. She is also going to start co-washing more to get more moisture. I'll keep you all posted.
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Old 09-17-2009, 02:25 PM   #9
 
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If she does the baking soda wash, make sure she follows with a vinegar rinse. I use a quart size container with 2 Tablespoons of vinegar.
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