Centrimonium chloride/behentrimonium methosulfate....

tinah · 09-17-2009, 11:17 AM

Ok so does anyone have a problem with this ingredient (centrimonium chloride)? I've been struggling since I went CG back in March. Nothing has made my hair look good. It was awful to start with and remained that way.

I started using Hair One earlier this week. Each time I use it my hair is better than the last time!!! I honestly think by the end of the week next week- if I keep using it- I won't have any frizz at all. It has behentrimonium methosulfate in it which I know some people on here really like. I went through all the products I've been using in the last six months and all of them have centrimonium chloride in them. I think my hair doesn't like this ingredient. I think my hair REALLY doesn't like this ingredient. The only product I have that my hair likes that has this in it is SheaM. But I think the shea overrides it.

While I really like the Hair One I won't sit here and say that it's the product that's so great for my hair. Most likely the lack of a particular ingredient. So I'm looking for other conditioners that have behentrimonium methosulfate in them? Is there anything I could get from the drugstore that would have it?

*Angela* · 09-17-2009, 01:17 PM

I just did a Google search for behentrimonium methosulfate and came across this site which lists Tigi Moisture Maniac. I've seen this product recommended by others on NC.com so I checked out the ingredients and, unfortunately, the Moisture Maniac also contains centrimonium chloride.

Aqua (Water), Cetyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Cetearyl Alcohol, Cetrimonium Chloride, Glycerin, Acetamide MEA, Cetrimonium Bromide, Stearyl Alcohol, Parfum/Fragrance (Fragrance), DMDM Hydantoin, PPG 2 Myristyl Ether Propionate, Pentaerythrityl Tetracaprylate/Tetracaprate, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Tetrasodium EDTA, Silk Amino Acids, Orange 4 (CI 15510)

I wonder if having the behentrimonium methosulfate would counter the centrimonium chloride and still give you good results since it is higher up in the ingredients.

ETA: I clicked on the link for the Generic Paul Mitchell and it seems to be available at Sally's, it doesn't contain the CC and it's relatively cheap. Hmm...I may have to get some for myself.

Water (Aqua), Isododecane, Isohexadecane, Cetearyl Alcohol, Behentrimonium Methosulfate, Bisamino PEG/PPG-41/3 Aminoethyl PG-Propyl Dimethicone, Algae, Aloe Barbedensis Leaf, Anthermis Nobilis (Chamomile), Henna, Simmondsia Chinensis (Jojoba), Rosmarinus Officinalis (Rosemary), PEG-12 Dimethicone, Daucus Carota Sativa (Carrot) Leaf Extract, Daucus Carota Staiva (Carrot) Seed Oil, Vitis Vinifera (Grape) Seed Oil, Citric Acid, Tetrasodium EDTA, DMDM Hydantoin, Iodopropynyl Butylcarbamate, Fragrance (Parfum), Hexyl Cinnamal, Yellow 5 (CI 19140), Orange 4 (CI 15510), Red 40 (CI 16035)

afrosheenqueen · 09-17-2009, 01:22 PM

Everything I know about CC is positive. Curly Chemist talks about its role here. http://www.naturallycurly.com/curlre...onium-chloride

Basically it is a conditioning agent.

xcptnl · 09-17-2009, 02:56 PM

My hair dislikes the stearyl (spelling) chloride ingredient. I wonder about the centrimonium ingredient sometimes.

Magoo · 09-17-2009, 03:07 PM

You're not the only one. My hair absolutely HATES Cent. chloride. It makes my hair dull, dry, frizzy and rough feeling. That's why I can't use any of the Suaves, VO5s or Whiterain conditioners. It acts funny with stearalkonium chloride too. This makes it really hard for me to find a drugstore conditioner that my hair likes since this ingredient is in almost all of them.

I just looked at your products, my hair also hated the GVP conditioning balm because of the C. chloride.

ETA: My hair seems to love B. Methosulfate though.

xcptnl · 09-17-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Magoo

You're not the only one. My hair absolutely HATES Cent. chloride. It makes my hair dull, dry, frizzy and rough feeling. That's why I can't use any of the Suaves, VO5s or Whiterain conditioners. It acts funny with stearalkonium chloride too. This makes it really hard for me to find a drugstore conditioner that my hair likes since this ingredient is in almost all of them.

I just looked at your products, my hair also hated the GVP conditioning balm because of the C. chloride.

ETA: My hair seems to love B. Methosulfate though.

That is another one my hair does not like. And it is difficult to find conditioners that do not have any of these 3 ingredients.

tinah · 09-17-2009, 03:25 PM

Yeah I'm thinking I can't use the suaves either. I'm starting to wonder about the GVP balm. I might have rethink everything. I just don't know what to do.

xcptnl · 09-17-2009, 03:30 PM

My hair loves loves curl junkie curl rehab moisturizing hair treatment and I just checked the ingredients and it does not have any of the 3 'bad' ingredients discussed here but does have the beh. metho. one. So I just checked her daily condish and that one is good too. I may try that one at some point.

Jessicurl's aloeba condish is good too. Max Green conditioner and Oyin Honey Hemp appear to be good as well.

tinah · 09-17-2009, 03:41 PM

thanks! I think I'm gonna buy some of the too shea. It's the BMS in it also. I jsut wish there was something I didn't have to buy online! Keep the suggestions coming tho cause I really do appreciate them!

goobernut · 09-17-2009, 03:43 PM

hey tinah,

my hair hates behentrimonium methosulfate, which sucks, because everyone talks about how wonderful a detangler it is. And I can tell that it really provides good slip. However, every time I use something in it, it goes superfrizzy. I have a big bottle of the Tigi MM that I was holding onto to bring to Tiffany's appt (in my bag of swap goodies). I got it at Ulta when tigi big sizes were on sale for 9.99. So if you want me to hold onto it for you, then I can do! Also, the EO conditioners that people are picking up at TJ Maxx/Marshalls also have it as one of the main ingredients. I also have a sample of JC Aloeba that I'm bringing for swap. You can try that out if ya want.

I purposely bought the Hair One to see if it would make as big a difference on me if BM was lower down in the ingredient list. Thank gawd I don't seem to have a problem with Stearalkolium (whatever) Chloride. The Kenra Moisture is still a go-to for me.

Vo5 did something REALLY weird to my hair, so I've stayed clear of that.

Almost all of the NC faves (jessicurl, curl junkie, etc...) have BM right up there at the tops of their list in EVERY single conditioner they make. Yes, they do.

So far, I KNOW I don't have problems with behentrimonium chloride (thanks suburbanbushbabe for the tip), which is its lesser cousin that works similarly. That ingredient is known to be in drugstore conditioners moreso than BM.

tinah · 09-17-2009, 03:49 PM

Heck yeah I want them! I don't have anything good to trade for them (I still need to get you a list don't I?) But I'll be happy to pay you for them if you want.

The hair one is working really well for me so far! I'm loving it. I wish it was a little more moisturizing and had a little more slip but it's doing good for my hair so I can't complain. It's really crazy how much the frizz has decreased since I quit using anything with centrimonium chloride in it! My poor hair this last six months!

rudeechick · 09-17-2009, 04:39 PM

The Tigi MM has behenMeth; I loved it forever, altho the glycerine has become a problem for me. The Oyin Honey Hemp has it too, but again, the humectants are a problem for me in low dues.

CJCR has it. I am also looking for conditioners that contain BehenMeth but without Glycerin or Honey.

Jusduit · 09-17-2009, 05:19 PM

I'm luvin' this conditioner I picked up at Sally's for about $6. It doesn't have centrimonium chloride but it also does not have behentrimonium methosulfate (which I love), so sometimes I will mix a little bit of KCKT with it.

It does have glycerin, but it's near the end of the ingredient list. However, the propylene glycol (another humectant) might be an issue for some.

Aura Cherry Almond Bark Revitalizing Conditioner

Water/Aqua/Eau, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Methylpropanediol, Propylene Glycol, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Althaea Officinalis Root Extract, Arctium Lappa Root Extract, Echinacea Angustifolia Extract, Oryza Sativa Bran Oil (Rice), Panthenol, Simmondsia Chinensis Seed Oil (Jojoba), Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Cinnamidopropyltrimonium Chloride, Lecithin, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Ceteareth 20, Glycerin, Isododecane, Citric Acid, Tetrasodium EDTA, Disodium EDTA, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Hydroxycitronellal, Fragrance/Parfum

ETA: I haven't tried the Generic PM that *Angela* mentioned but Sally's might be having a sale on the those products. I saw all the GVP Paul Mitchell products on an end cap when I was in there yesterday.

rudeechick · 09-17-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jusduit

I'm luvin' this conditioner I picked up at Sally's for about $6. It doesn't have centrimonium chloride but it also does not have behentrimonium methosulfate (which I love), so sometimes I will mix a little bit of KCKT with it.

It does have glycerin, but it's near the end of the ingredient list. However, the propylene glycol (another humectant) might be an issue for some.

Aura Cherry Almond Bark Revitalizing Conditioner

Water/Aqua/Eau, Cetyl Alcohol, Stearyl Alcohol, Dicetyldimonium Chloride, Methylpropanediol, Propylene Glycol, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Althaea Officinalis Root Extract, Arctium Lappa Root Extract, Echinacea Angustifolia Extract, Oryza Sativa Bran Oil (Rice), Panthenol, Simmondsia Chinensis Seed Oil (Jojoba), Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine, Cinnamidopropyltrimonium Chloride, Lecithin, Butyl Methoxydibenzoylmethane, Ceteareth 20, Glycerin, Isododecane, Citric Acid, Tetrasodium EDTA, Disodium EDTA, Diazolidinyl Urea, Methylparaben, Propylparaben, Hydroxycitronellal, Fragrance/Parfum

Thanks, will check it out.

curlpro · 09-17-2009, 07:05 PM

No Poo has behentrimonium chloride, I love that stuff, lots of clean and slip even in my fine hair it's great.
Cynthia

wavycurly40+ · 09-18-2009, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goobernut

hey tinah,

my hair hates behentrimonium methosulfate, which sucks, because everyone talks about how wonderful a detangler it is. And I can tell that it really provides good slip. However, every time I use something in it, it goes superfrizzy. I have a big bottle of the Tigi MM that I was holding onto to bring to Tiffany's appt (in my bag of swap goodies). I got it at Ulta when tigi big sizes were on sale for 9.99. So if you want me to hold onto it for you, then I can do! Also, the EO conditioners that people are picking up at TJ Maxx/Marshalls also have it as one of the main ingredients. I also have a sample of JC Aloeba that I'm bringing for swap. You can try that out if ya want.

I purposely bought the Hair One to see if it would make as big a difference on me if BM was lower down in the ingredient list. Thank gawd I don't seem to have a problem with Stearalkolium (whatever) Chloride. The Kenra Moisture is still a go-to for me.

Vo5 did something REALLY weird to my hair, so I've stayed clear of that.

Almost all of the NC faves (jessicurl, curl junkie, etc...) have BM right up there at the tops of their list in EVERY single conditioner they make. Yes, they do.

So far, I KNOW I don't have problems with behentrimonium chloride (thanks suburbanbushbabe for the tip), which is its lesser cousin that works similarly. That ingredient is known to be in drugstore conditioners moreso than BM.

I don't think the Aubrey Organics conditioners have them. (do they? correct me if I'm wrong, somebody). Have you tried those? I sometimes gravitate to those because the ingredient lists are fairly simple -- I feel like it's less of a mystery, knowing which ingredients do what, when I use them. The ladies who struggle with different oils, though, would disagree!

belasuna · 09-18-2009, 02:43 PM

BM is a conditioning agent made from rapeseed, and CC is an ammonium salt that is an antistatic agent, prevents buildup, destroys ordors etc. Since CC is a salt, maybe this has something to do with why your hair doesn't like it.

Any how, all the Jessicurl condishes only have BM plus other goodies in them. I love JCWDT as an all purpose condish because its also glycerin and protein free.

BTW, I put up a thread called "Oils-the good the bad and the ugly" and address the issue of coconut oils and products, especially the AO line. I have a theory that if you have coarse hair coconut derived surfactants and product bases will not agree with the hair the more you use it over time.

goobernut · 09-19-2009, 03:07 PM

I did recently switch to some Aubrey organics stuff to see if this would make a difference. Some of their products are TOO heavy to use on a daily basis.

I also posted on Belsuna's oil thread because she posted some info about coconut oil, and I had read the exact opposite about it.

Tinah-- I'll save the Tigi MM and the aloeba sample for ya.

Magoo · 09-20-2009, 09:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belasuna

BM is a conditioning agent made from rapeseed, and CC is an ammonium salt that is an antistatic agent, prevents buildup, destroys ordors etc. Since CC is a salt, maybe this has something to do with why your hair doesn't like it.

Any how, all the Jessicurl condishes only have BM plus other goodies in them. I love JCWDT as an all purpose condish because its also glycerin and protein free.

BTW, I put up a thread called "Oils-the good the bad and the ugly" and address the issue of coconut oils and products, especially the AO line. I have a theory that if you have coarse hair coconut derived surfactants and product bases will not agree with the hair the more you use it over time.

Hmm, that's interesting about CC being a salt, because whenever I use a product with that ingredient my hair literally feels like I sprayed salt water on it and let it dry that way. Just rough and dry, blech!

Alexjoujou · 09-20-2009, 09:47 AM

Oh wow! Goobernut I thought it was just me sensitive to the Beh Sulfate stuff!! Not that I'm glad you are but I just figured out that this is likely the cause of my hair being too OC lately and way too smooth and silky. It is also causing frizz in my hair--not too bad but I don't get frizz so it is definitely noticable!

For those who like this ingredient you might want to check out the Renpure Organics line--although the red one has the CC high up the orange condish bottle has the CC way down and it has TONS of the Beh Sulfate in it (trust me, my hair knows!)--it did not react too badly on my hair in spite of the Beh Sulfate which was surprising. It may be because I used JC CCSS and JC RR yesterday and the mag sulfate balanced the effects of the Beh Sulfate or something.

My daughter loves Beh Sulfate and so the good news for me is that the stuff I bought with that won't go to waste!