Mixed-race & clueless


Hey bekkapoo, I just mean there was never really a black influence in my immediate family to advise me on my hair. Me n my sisters all have similar hair but mine seems to be the curliest, thickest of the bunch and so after a while all my mum could do with it to manage it on a daily basis was to braid it. Except now ive decided to embrace my natural hair a lil more and give it a proper rest from braids to see how i get on...
Originally Posted by baileys_truffle
I can totally relate to that as well. I mean I had black aunts and female cousins that I would see occasionally, but with them I would have been greased and pressed with a hot comb, or permed to death. Same in the black salons, or with black women my mother befriended and asked for advice.. no one knew what to do with my natural hair except to braid it up or cut it off.

Seems that not many people can figure out curly hair, black or white, so it's really a learning process that you might have to go through on your own (with our help of course).

I have a blog post about my hair story if you'd like to check it out (link in my sig).
Originally Posted by BekkaPoo
Exactly, other family members always had their own idea of how to do their hair but ive never really felt comfortable putting my hair in their hands. I think black and white people seem to think that they can handle natural curly hair easily what they dont know is our needs a certain understanding to be able to handle it.
Originally Posted by baileys_truffle
I think we could all write a book about our trials and tribulations growing up with a mixed race and hair no one knew what to do with. I was adopted and had a korean sister who had the most stick straight hair in the world not to mention everyone else in my family. I remember my mom bringing me to her hair dresser and that poor lady trying everything she knew to do and nothing working. (hated her then, feel sorry for her now )
I too am grateful for this board and for the comfort of knowing that there are so many beautifully mixed curlies out there. It DOES make it easier to accept your own curls. I'm really trying to get away from the labels I hated as a child (not knowing my actual background). My favorite (not) question of all was "what are you?" I still get that one from time to time and usually just make something up instead of going into my personal life.
Can't we just be beautiful women who are proud of who we are and embrace our natural beauty?

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Yeah Baileys...I was wondering that too. Does ur hair get tangled a lot b/c of the length? If my hair was as long as urs, I'd def wear it out all the time lol.

Also, u are doing better than u think...I just read ur sig and u seem to know a lot. I still don't know about my porosity and I've been natural for almost 2 yrs. Idk even know how to figure that out lol
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
All that stuff i learnt over the past week or so, i was literally clueless before. My porosity is quite high- i think it would be unusual to have a low porosity with hair as coiled as 4a. I tried the float test but half the strands curl would sink before the other so i gave up. lol

I used to think my hair was coarse before as well but i realised that hair can be dense regardless of the texture and looking at my hair the strands are quite fine ... dont worry, you seem to be getting on fine so youll pick up everything about your hair as you go!

I always thought 'black peoples hair' was kinda meant to be greasy too which was always a put off so its nice to know there are sooo many alternative products that provide soft hair without the yucky feel. Well i assume there are ... lol

I also try to trim every month or so, but i cant really cut too much off otherwise my braids wont curl at the ends and stay done up! I still have quite a few split ends tho as my hair is still recovering from a bad hair blow-dry incident at the hair dressers two years back!

My hair does get tangled quite easily too, even the smallest amount of hair left to its own devices for a second results in me fighting with it with a comb over again! I like your avatar tho MUCC ... your hair looks lovely!
Originally Posted by baileys_truffle
Hi BT, my husband is mixed and has fine, low porosity hair and tight 4 a curls. However, I am mixed and have some fine hairs and some coarse hairs, high porosity and lose 3a waves/curls and 3b ringlets. My sister has fine, mixed porosity, 3c hair. My niece is also mixed and has very long fine, high porosity 2c/2c hair that turns to dreads if she doesn't keep it moisturized. So type of hair does not always coincide with a certain texture of hair. This is just and example to demonstrate that porosity and texture have little to do with curl type (3c, 4a, 4b etc).

So based on what you said, it looks like you have high porosity and fine hair. The biggest problem with this is high porosity has trouble keeping in moisture but fine hair gets weighed down too easily. Also, this combo can easily develop tangles in the length since it is super thin and has trouble holding moisture and the raised cuticle on porous hairs get caught against each other. My porous hair is always tangling near the ends when dry so I have to use a leave in on all my hair,putting a little extra on the ends and sealing the hair with a good hair oil. Many people like coconut oil. I don't. Since your hair is fine and porous, you may like jojoba oil which has a small protein content so will be good for fine porous hair. Also jojoba will leave a little coating on the hair but won't feel greasy. This will help to seal and allow the hairs to slip away from each other instead of tangling.

For wet tangles, after putting a heavy conditioner, I wait a while before I start to detangle. Adding some water so the hair gets slippery helps. I then start with a wide tooth comb and start detangling from the bottom. Then you can go through with a finer (not completely fine) tooth comb starting at the ends again and working my way to the roots. Detangling the hair in sections also works. This takes a lot of patience if you have dense hair, but it is worth the trouble.

BekkaPoo, As far as not having a black influence to teach you how to do your hair. I did not really have one also, so I took it on myself to learn. I always instinctively knew that just putting grease on black hair did not seem right. I tried it once when I was young and my hair felt horrible afterwards. I agree with Baileys_truffle that the problem is not that white or in my case asian members of the family don't know how to handle black hair, or even black people not knowing how to handle black hair. Regardless of race, I think people in general don't even know how to handle their own hair since most are damaging their hair by using sulfates, silcones, petroleum products, grease etc. So now that you've found NC, there is loads of info to learn and share once you figure out things.
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Last edited by belasuna; 10-12-2009 at 12:18 PM.
Yeah Baileys...I was wondering that too. Does ur hair get tangled a lot b/c of the length? If my hair was as long as urs, I'd def wear it out all the time lol.

Also, u are doing better than u think...I just read ur sig and u seem to know a lot. I still don't know about my porosity and I've been natural for almost 2 yrs. Idk even know how to figure that out lol
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
All that stuff i learnt over the past week or so, i was literally clueless before. My porosity is quite high- i think it would be unusual to have a low porosity with hair as coiled as 4a. I tried the float test but half the strands curl would sink before the other so i gave up. lol

I used to think my hair was coarse before as well but i realised that hair can be dense regardless of the texture and looking at my hair the strands are quite fine ... dont worry, you seem to be getting on fine so youll pick up everything about your hair as you go!

I always thought 'black peoples hair' was kinda meant to be greasy too which was always a put off so its nice to know there are sooo many alternative products that provide soft hair without the yucky feel. Well i assume there are ... lol

I also try to trim every month or so, but i cant really cut too much off otherwise my braids wont curl at the ends and stay done up! I still have quite a few split ends tho as my hair is still recovering from a bad hair blow-dry incident at the hair dressers two years back!

My hair does get tangled quite easily too, even the smallest amount of hair left to its own devices for a second results in me fighting with it with a comb over again! I like your avatar tho MUCC ... your hair looks lovely!
Originally Posted by baileys_truffle
Hi BT, my husband is mixed and has fine, low porosity hair and tight 4 a curls. However, I am mixed and have some fine hairs and some coarse hairs, high porosity and lose 3a waves/curls and 3b ringlets. My sister has fine, mixed porosity, 3c hair. My niece is also mixed and has very long fine, high porosity 2c/2c hair that turns to dreads if she doesn't keep it moisturized. So type of hair does not always coincide with a certain texture of hair. This is just and example to demonstrate that porosity and texture have little to do with curl type (3c, 4a, 4b etc).

So based on what you said, it looks like you have high porosity and fine hair. The biggest problem with this is high porosity has trouble keeping in moisture but fine hair gets weighed down too easily. Also, this combo can easily develop tangles in the length since it is super thin and has trouble holding moisture and the raised cuticle on porous hairs get caught against each other. My porous hair is always tangling near the ends when dry so I have to use a leave in on all my hair,putting a little extra on the ends and sealing the hair with a good hair oil. Many people like coconut oil. I don't. Since your hair is fine and porous, you may like jojoba oil which has a small protein content so will be good for fine porous hair. Also jojoba will leave a little coating on the hair but won't feel greasy. This will help to seal and allow the hairs to slip away from each other instead of tangling.

For wet tangles, after putting a heavy conditioner, I wait a while before I start to detangle. Adding some water so the hair gets slippery helps. I then start with a wide tooth comb and start detangling from the bottom. Then you can go through with a finer (not completely fine) tooth comb starting at the ends again and working my way to the roots. Detangling the hair in sections also works. This takes a lot of patience if you have dense hair, but it is worth the trouble.

BekkaPoo, As far as not having a black influence to teach you how to do your hair. I did not really have one also, so I took it on myself to learn. I always instinctively knew that just putting grease on black hair did not seem right. I tried it once when I was young and my hair felt horrible afterwards. I agree with Baileys_truffle that the problem is not that white or in my case asian members of the family don't know how to handle black hair, or even black people not knowing how to handle black hair. Regardless of race, I think people in general don't even know how to handle their own hair since most are damaging their hair by using sulfates, silcones, petroleum products, grease etc. So now that you've found NC, there is loads of info to learn and share once you figure out things.
Originally Posted by belasuna
When I was in about 6th grade, I got handfuls of my father's Afro-sheen coconut grease and rubbed it on my hair until it laid flat. I was soooooooooooooooo soooooooooo bad. You could write your name in the layer of grease covernig my hair!
Thank u so much for the comliment Baileys I'm realizing how split my ends are now and I'm gonna have to cut my hair, which makes me feel like I'm starting from square one. I KNOW they are gonna take 2-4 inches off and leave me with no length. Oh well.

Ok, so what is the strand test? I've been on here for over a yr but never learned anything about porosity...now I'm curious. Esp since my hair doesn't absorb oils and butters well...I'm trying to figure it out!

Yeah Baileys...I was wondering that too. Does ur hair get tangled a lot b/c of the length? If my hair was as long as urs, I'd def wear it out all the time lol.

Also, u are doing better than u think...I just read ur sig and u seem to know a lot. I still don't know about my porosity and I've been natural for almost 2 yrs. Idk even know how to figure that out lol
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
All that stuff i learnt over the past week or so, i was literally clueless before. My porosity is quite high- i think it would be unusual to have a low porosity with hair as coiled as 4a. I tried the float test but half the strands curl would sink before the other so i gave up. lol

I used to think my hair was coarse before as well but i realised that hair can be dense regardless of the texture and looking at my hair the strands are quite fine ... dont worry, you seem to be getting on fine so youll pick up everything about your hair as you go!

I always thought 'black peoples hair' was kinda meant to be greasy too which was always a put off so its nice to know there are sooo many alternative products that provide soft hair without the yucky feel. Well i assume there are ... lol

I also try to trim every month or so, but i cant really cut too much off otherwise my braids wont curl at the ends and stay done up! I still have quite a few split ends tho as my hair is still recovering from a bad hair blow-dry incident at the hair dressers two years back!

My hair does get tangled quite easily too, even the smallest amount of hair left to its own devices for a second results in me fighting with it with a comb over again! I like your avatar tho MUCC ... your hair looks lovely!
Originally Posted by baileys_truffle
Hello,
I am not mixed race, but I have 4a hair that has changed texture over the years. As everyone else has stated check out the 4a boards. Also check out this website by a lady who is mixed race: http://www.tightlycurly.com/technique/curlyprimer/. I have always had long hair and gave up the perm about 6 years ago.
Originally Posted by yamircarla
I checked out the ladies page and found it pretty helpful altho when she conditions her hair she doesnt rinse it out ... is that good?

Ive read you should rinse then re-add or use a leave-in conditioner.
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Thank u so much for the comliment Baileys I'm realizing how split my ends are now and I'm gonna have to cut my hair, which makes me feel like I'm starting from square one. I KNOW they are gonna take 2-4 inches off and leave me with no length. Oh well.

Ok, so what is the strand test? I've been on here for over a yr but never learned anything about porosity...now I'm curious. Esp since my hair doesn't absorb oils and butters well...I'm trying to figure it out!
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
Heres where i found some info on learning your hairs porosity, hope it helps: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...g3.html?cat=69

Theres a few tests on there, im not overally convinced by test 3, by seeing how long your strand of hair takes to sink, well thats the theory anyway ... i think its harder to tell with curly hair, but hopefully youll be one step closer to knowing what your porosity is!

As for trimming, are you sure that much needs to be cut .. sometimes its easy to believe the worst scenario! I read that with curly hair it takes longer for the split to travel up the hair! Prob not the best advice but if you dont want to go for a dramatic cut then at least if you space it out and cut a lil off at a time it gives your hair a chance to grow so you wont notice much difference in the length and just condition, condition, condition. If that makes any sense lol
Embrace Your Curls!

Type: 4a
Texture: Fine/medium
Porosity: Medium/high
Routine: None as yet
Natural for: 7+ years

Aim: To have long luscious healthy curls instead of the dry ones I've become accustomed to!
I think we could all write a book about our trials and tribulations growing up with a mixed race and hair no one knew what to do with. I was adopted and had a korean sister who had the most stick straight hair in the world not to mention everyone else in my family. I remember my mom bringing me to her hair dresser and that poor lady trying everything she knew to do and nothing working. (hated her then, feel sorry for her now )
I too am grateful for this board and for the comfort of knowing that there are so many beautifully mixed curlies out there. It DOES make it easier to accept your own curls. I'm really trying to get away from the labels I hated as a child (not knowing my actual background). My favorite (not) question of all was "what are you?" I still get that one from time to time and usually just make something up instead of going into my personal life.


Bailey's you rock that hair girl!
Originally Posted by crazycurlz21
It is nice to know there are loads of mixed race curlies in the same boat, and you are quite the inspiration ... i def agree with your statement:

"Can't we just be beautiful women who are proud of who we are and embrace our natural beauty?"

Youre so right ... and lol @ your hairdresser! Poor thing!
Embrace Your Curls!

Type: 4a
Texture: Fine/medium
Porosity: Medium/high
Routine: None as yet
Natural for: 7+ years

Aim: To have long luscious healthy curls instead of the dry ones I've become accustomed to!
When I was in about 6th grade, I got handfuls of my father's Afro-sheen coconut grease and rubbed it on my hair until it laid flat. I was soooooooooooooooo soooooooooo bad. You could write your name in the layer of grease covernig my hair!
Originally Posted by MysticSpiral
Eeeewwwwww ... i bet that took ages to wash out!! Haha
Embrace Your Curls!

Type: 4a
Texture: Fine/medium
Porosity: Medium/high
Routine: None as yet
Natural for: 7+ years

Aim: To have long luscious healthy curls instead of the dry ones I've become accustomed to!
When I was in about 6th grade, I got handfuls of my father's Afro-sheen coconut grease and rubbed it on my hair until it laid flat. I was soooooooooooooooo soooooooooo bad. You could write your name in the layer of grease covernig my hair!
Originally Posted by MysticSpiral
Eeeewwwwww ... i bet that took ages to wash out!! Haha
Originally Posted by baileys_truffle
when my father saw he wouldn't even let me in the shower, just went through my hair with a fine tooth comb until all of it was out, then made me wash it over the garbage disposal! It was so horrible. My baby oil experiment went a little better, but still left oily stains everywhere. Then i discovered leave in conditioner.
Oh ok I will check that out and then report back! I do think I need at least 2 inches b/c its ben over a yr since I had a "trim" lol. Mind u, they were taking inches off...that's why I stopped cutting it. I never had any length. It split up pretty high though. I may go for a consultation and see what she is. I have a recommendation that sounds good. Hopefully I won't have to start all over again.

Thank u so much for the comliment Baileys I'm realizing how split my ends are now and I'm gonna have to cut my hair, which makes me feel like I'm starting from square one. I KNOW they are gonna take 2-4 inches off and leave me with no length. Oh well.

Ok, so what is the strand test? I've been on here for over a yr but never learned anything about porosity...now I'm curious. Esp since my hair doesn't absorb oils and butters well...I'm trying to figure it out!
Originally Posted by MixedUpCurlyChick
Heres where i found some info on learning your hairs porosity, hope it helps: http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...g3.html?cat=69

Theres a few tests on there, im not overally convinced by test 3, by seeing how long your strand of hair takes to sink, well thats the theory anyway ... i think its harder to tell with curly hair, but hopefully youll be one step closer to knowing what your porosity is!

As for trimming, are you sure that much needs to be cut .. sometimes its easy to believe the worst scenario! I read that with curly hair it takes longer for the split to travel up the hair! Prob not the best advice but if you dont want to go for a dramatic cut then at least if you space it out and cut a lil off at a time it gives your hair a chance to grow so you wont notice much difference in the length and just condition, condition, condition. If that makes any sense lol
Originally Posted by baileys_truffle
Don't feel to bad MUCC, I know I have to get about 3 inches off next time I go to a salon. I did a big chop about two years ago, because my hair was so damaged, but didn't find NC until about 6 months ago! So I still have a bunch of damaged hair from my heavy sulfated shampoos that i was using.
Have u been trimming ur hair since the BC? I wouldn't mind trimming my hair regularly, but they weren't trimming it. They were CUTTING it off!

Don't feel to bad MUCC, I know I have to get about 3 inches off next time I go to a salon. I did a big chop about two years ago, because my hair was so damaged, but didn't find NC until about 6 months ago! So I still have a bunch of damaged hair from my heavy sulfated shampoos that i was using.
Originally Posted by MysticSpiral
Ok I checked out the article but most of those tests seem kinda flimsy. In other words, I know my hair needs to be cut, so Idk if I could def find out from doing that but I will check them out next wash (tom or Fri) and report back lol.

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Theres a few tests on there, im not overally convinced by test 3, by seeing how long your strand of hair takes to sink, well thats the theory anyway ... i think its harder to tell with curly hair, but hopefully youll be one step closer to knowing what your porosity is!

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