What do YOU mean when you say "Coarse" hair

It is my understanding that coarse is just related to the diameter of the hairs (like if you were buying wire or thread or pipes there would be thin ones and heavier gauge ones).
I am confused when I read "my hair used to be coarse but I conditioned it and now it is smooth" and things like that. You can't cause it to grow out as smaller hairs, and why would you want to?
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Henna!
Coarse hair does refers to the diameter of the hair shaft. It is larger than fine and medium. Whoever wrote that is confused by the definition of coarse hair. Imo, however, coarse hair also usually does feel rough when you run your finger down the shaft, compared to fine and medium textured hair.
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well, when i saw coarse, im talking about the diameter. im mostly coarse, but it depends where u pull it from. my coarse hairs are so thick and coarse (brace urself) i've used them to floss in extreme emergencies!!

sometimes, when my straighten, it feels less coarse, since its smooth. but if i pull it out, its still coarse. its just stretched out so it seems less coarse. but dnt be fooled! i think i could strangle someone with a strand!!! just kidding
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You can't change the true texture of your hair only the way it "feels". I could speculate that the person is saying that their hair used to feel coarse but now it's smooth because they use a certain product to help in that regard. A lot of times people think they have coarse hair but in reality it's just lacking moisture. If your hair is truly coarse no amount of conditioner will change that fact, but using emollient rich products will give the illusion of smoother strands
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Coarse hair does refers to the diameter of the hair shaft. It is larger than fine and medium. Whoever wrote that is confused by the definition of coarse hair. Imo, however, coarse hair also usually does feel rough when you run your finger down the shaft, compared to fine and medium textured hair.
Originally Posted by belasuna
Yes some of my coarse hairs are bumpy or tiny z or s or like teeny long springs all the way down so feel sort of rough, or maybe rough isn't exactly the right word but they feel textured, not smooth.

But if I "fixed" that somehow, the hairs would still be coarse because they would still be heavy gauge.

Fine hairs don't get bumpy? I guess they probably feel more like a mass of something than individual hairs, that makes sense.

Anyway, it's not something I ever wanted to change so I was confused by people saying they were somehow improving their hair by making it not coarse.

Burgundy, LOL about the flossing, mine would hold up, it's strong enough to sew with but it's not THAT big!
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Med-Coarse, LowPorosity, NormalElast (LCLF)

Shoulder-Length now.

Wash: DevaCare Low Poo
Detangle & Rinseout: Walgreens or Sally's Conditioning Balm (always)
Leave-in: DevaCare OneC (budget choice is GFTN)
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Henna!
So can fine hair be coarse?
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So can fine hair be coarse?
Originally Posted by lissa
After reading this thread, I am wondering the same thing myself.

My hair is fine, I can't feel it when I press a strand between my fingertips. But when I run my fingers down a strand of hair it feels rough and bumpy? Is that because my hair may be porous?
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So can fine hair be coarse?
Originally Posted by lissa
After reading this thread, I am wondering the same thing myself.

My hair is fine, I can't feel it when I press a strand between my fingertips. But when I run my fingers down a strand of hair it feels rough and bumpy? Is that because my hair may be porous?
Originally Posted by dernhelm
Del2C is so right about coarse hair. I have coarse hair and even when I moisturize the heck put of it it still feels coarse the touch, the texture that is. There have been times when I used a silicone based products that my hair "looked" soft and smooth and almost shiny. But still if you touched it the texture was coarse. Not to mention my hair is never really shiny even when it is well moisturized and conditioned or straightened to the max with a shine spray all over it. It just diesn't shine. That too is a sign that you might have coarse hair ( so says my hair guy). My hair can "look" smooth with products that contain some silicone of sorts as a finisher. But even that is short lived.
So can fine hair be coarse?
Originally Posted by lissa
After reading this thread, I am wondering the same thing myself.

My hair is fine, I can't feel it when I press a strand between my fingertips. But when I run my fingers down a strand of hair it feels rough and bumpy? Is that because my hair may be porous?
Originally Posted by dernhelm
Del2C is so right about coarse hair. I have coarse hair and even when I moisturize the heck put of it it still feels coarse the touch, the texture that is. There have been times when I used a silicone based products that my hair "looked" soft and smooth and almost shiny. But still if you touched it the texture was coarse. Not to mention my hair is never really shiny even when it is well moisturized and conditioned or straightened to the max with a shine spray all over it. It just diesn't shine. That too is a sign that you might have coarse hair ( so says my hair guy). My hair can "look" smooth with products that contain some silicone of sorts as a finisher. But even that is short lived.
Originally Posted by lovemycurlz
This is what my hair does. If I use silicones I can get it too look smoother, but it never feels smooth. And my hair is never really shiny. My hair is definitely fine. I compared it to a strand of my daughter's hair and the difference in diameter was amazing! Her single strand was SO much thicker than mine. My hair also does well with a high protein diet.

So, I know that I can't be considered coarse in diameter. Maybe I just have an abnormally high porosity problem that accounts for the lack of shine and the "coarse" feel?
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So can fine hair be coarse?
Originally Posted by lissa
After reading this thread, I am wondering the same thing myself.

My hair is fine, I can't feel it when I press a strand between my fingertips. But when I run my fingers down a strand of hair it feels rough and bumpy? Is that because my hair may be porous?
Originally Posted by dernhelm
Del2C is so right about coarse hair. I have coarse hair and even when I moisturize the heck put of it it still feels coarse the touch, the texture that is. There have been times when I used a silicone based products that my hair "looked" soft and smooth and almost shiny. But still if you touched it the texture was coarse. Not to mention my hair is never really shiny even when it is well moisturized and conditioned or straightened to the max with a shine spray all over it. It just diesn't shine. That too is a sign that you might have coarse hair ( so says my hair guy). My hair can "look" smooth with products that contain some silicone of sorts as a finisher. But even that is short lived.
Originally Posted by lovemycurlz

I agree, Del is right. Coarse hair texture can't be changed. However, its look may temporarily be changed with product use. But the hair is still coarse in diameter and texture.

Fine hair can't be coarse. That is a contradiction like saying a thin line is thick. Fine hair can feel coarse (here I'm using coarse as in the definition of rough like "coarse" sandpaper) if it is damaged or dry, but it cannot be coarse (as in thickness/diameter or one hair strand). The reason coarse hair is thicker and feels rough is that is has tons of protein built into the hair shaft. Since too much protein can stiffen the hair and cause it to be wiry and brittle, this is what is going on with coarse hair. Since coarse hair is manufacturing tons of protein the hair has more than it really needs and thus is thicker and feels rough. Nothing can change this if you truly have coarse hair.

Dernhelm, if you have fine hair and it feels rough when you run your finger down from scalp to end, then your hair is probably dry and/or damaged. This is why it feels rough. Porous hair would feel bumpy if you ran your fingers from the hair end toward the scalp.
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New here, I think the confusion arises (and it did for me) because the same touch test is performed to determine the porosity and texture of your hair. When I did the strand test, my hair came out with high porosity (I could feel like I was pushing up little hairs as I made my way up) but this is exactly the same result you'll get if you perform the strand test for course texture. I was confused because it makes sense that my hair is very porous, but even though it feels course the hairs look fine. I think I have a mixture of textures, I have some hairs that are straight (i.e. they look normal) and others that have some sort of roughness to them and have some thinner parts and some thicker parts in the same strand (I don't know if I'm explaining myself correctly).
I'm a stylist.

Coarse to me is hair diameter. So no, you can't be fine and coarse. Fine hair is the complete opposite of coarse hair. Fine hair is silk like tiny strands, coarse is like wool.

The confusion is because people (stylists included imo) mix up fine/thin and coarse/thick. For instance, I have very fine hair, but I have a ton of it...I'm very dense haired, very thick haired. But the size of my hairs are small. Thin and thick has to do with the amount of the hairs on the head....the density. Thin is fewer, thick or dense is a lot.

Damage, etc, can make hair porous (or you can have some natural porosity issues like me) or overly porous. That's the bumpy feel. Fine, medium, and coarse hair can all be porous. Thick, medium and thin hair can all be porous. I used to be convinced I had coarse hair due to the rough, dry feel. But I don't. It's completely natural and normal for us to have different textures, different porosity, and different densities on different areas of the head.

HTH.

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I'm a stylist.

Coarse to me is hair diameter. So no, you can't be fine and coarse. Fine hair is the complete opposite of coarse hair. Fine hair is silk like tiny strands, coarse is like wool.

The confusion is because people (stylists included imo) mix up fine/thin and coarse/thick. For instance, I have very fine hair, but I have a ton of it...I'm very dense haired, very thick haired. But the size of my hairs are small. Thin and thick has to do with the amount of the hairs on the head....the density. Thin is fewer, thick or dense is a lot.

Damage, etc, can make hair porous (or you can have some natural porosity issues like me) or overly porous. That's the bumpy feel. Fine, medium, and coarse hair can all be porous. Thick, medium and thin hair can all be porous. I used to be convinced I had coarse hair due to the rough, dry feel. But I don't. It's completely natural and normal for us to have different textures, different porosity, and different densities on different areas of the head.

HTH.
Originally Posted by rymorg2
Halleluyah.. finally someone that KNOWS what they are talking about on this subject!

A lot of people say "coarse hair" in reference to how the hair looks and feels from what I noticed and it's a big misconception. And if it's not smooth to the touch it automatically gets labeled "coarse". And that really may not be the case at all.

For instance, some people think that some black people with very tightly curled natural hair have coarse hair because of the way it looks and since it may not look or feel silky in some cases they think it's coarse hair. Even many blacks make this mistake about their own hair..

But the truth is many blacks do not have "coarse" hair..they have fine hair..it's just densely (thickly) packed hair giving the illusion that it's really coarse to some people and people think tightly coiled hair must be coarse..but that's not neccessarily the case..frankly it's usually not the case.

Unfortunately, I've seen and heard of many stylists promoting the misconception as well.
The diameter of the hair, not its texture. My sister's hair (coarse) is more than twice the diameter of mine (fine). And it's much stronger.

Fine hair is the complete opposite of coarse hair. Fine hair is silk like tiny strands, coarse is like wool.
Not in my experience. Coarse hair I've encountered is more wiry and is quite smooth.
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Fine hair is the complete opposite of coarse hair. Fine hair is silk like tiny strands, coarse is like wool.
Not in my experience. Coarse hair I've encountered is more wiry and is quite smooth.
Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe
Oh.. I thought she was talking about diameter wise when she said that cause she used the word "tiny".. like a single silk strand is finer than a single wool strand..at least that's how I took it.

Cause if you touch either a silk strand or wool strand..both are smooth. But it seems to me a wool strand would be thicker though. That is what I thought she was talking about..but I could have misunderstood her.
I'm a stylist.

Coarse to me is hair diameter. So no, you can't be fine and coarse. Fine hair is the complete opposite of coarse hair. Fine hair is silk like tiny strands, coarse is like wool.

The confusion is because people (stylists included imo) mix up fine/thin and coarse/thick. For instance, I have very fine hair, but I have a ton of it...I'm very dense haired, very thick haired. But the size of my hairs are small. Thin and thick has to do with the amount of the hairs on the head....the density. Thin is fewer, thick or dense is a lot.

Damage, etc, can make hair porous (or you can have some natural porosity issues like me) or overly porous. That's the bumpy feel. Fine, medium, and coarse hair can all be porous. Thick, medium and thin hair can all be porous. I used to be convinced I had coarse hair due to the rough, dry feel. But I don't. It's completely natural and normal for us to have different textures, different porosity, and different densities on different areas of the head.

HTH.
Originally Posted by rymorg2
Halleluyah.. finally someone that KNOWS what they are talking about on this subject!

A lot of people say "coarse hair" in reference to how the hair looks and feels from what I noticed and it's a big misconception. And if it's not smooth to the touch it automatically gets labeled "coarse". And that really may not be the case at all.

For instance, some people think that some black people with very tightly curled natural hair have coarse hair because of the way it looks and since it may not look or feel silky in some cases they think it's coarse hair. Even many blacks make this mistake about their own hair..

But the truth is many blacks do not have "coarse" hair..they have fine hair..it's just densely (thickly) packed hair giving the illusion that it's really coarse to some people and people think tightly coiled hair must be coarse..but that's not neccessarily the case..frankly it's usually not the case.

Unfortunately, I've seen and heard of many stylists promoting the misconception as well.
Originally Posted by Marah Mizrahi

The problem goes all the way to Cosmetology schools....they aren't drilling into stylists heads enough so they start to revert to the laymans terms.

I don't work behind the chair anymore; I teach other stylists advanced cutting techniques and color techniques. I do drill it into their heads. A lot of them are misled about their own texture and density.

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The diameter of the hair, not its texture. My sister's hair (coarse) is more than twice the diameter of mine (fine). And it's much stronger.

Fine hair is the complete opposite of coarse hair. Fine hair is silk like tiny strands, coarse is like wool.
Not in my experience. Coarse hair I've encountered is more wiry and is quite smooth.
Originally Posted by Suburbanbushbabe
Marah was right; I didn't mean the feel, but the diameter. Fine hair can feel smooth, fine hair can feel bumpy. Same for medium and coarse. Sorry if I wasn't clear.

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my understanding is fine is opposite of coasre or a thick strand of hair.
my hair is coarse b/c it has an enormous diameter.

and that affects texture, IMO.

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