CurlTalk (
-   General Discussion about Curly Hair (
-   -   Seborrheic dermatitis. Anyone else deal with this? (

JodiRae 10-27-2009 08:39 AM

Seborrheic dermatitis. Anyone else deal with this?
I have delt with this most of my life, but it's always been fairly mild. If I shampooed with Head and Shoulders a few times a month it kept it in check.

But, in the last couple of weeks I have had a really bad flair up of this. So bad, just touching my hair caused a cascade of flakes falling. They were falling on my glasses all day. I finally went to the dermatologist when I began developing a rash on my eyelids, behind my ears and even on my chest. Ugh.

Anyway, she gave me a pill (for vaginal yeast infections...I guess this is related to too much yeast), creams and a prescription shampoo. The shampoo is a sulfate shampoo and she instructed me to use it everyday for a week! This after having not used any shampoos for over 4 months. I have to wonder if this is what triggered it so bad...I had even stopped using the Head and Shoulders all together as well.

But, I did as told and it has helped tremendously. I'm down to using it twice a week now, but it frustrates me that I have to use this.

I was just wondering if anyone else battles this...and are there any non-sulfate shampoos to treat this. I've heard of using tree tea oil, but have not tried it.


luckycurls 10-27-2009 09:51 AM

The woes of SD
Greetings fellow sufferer!

I have battled SD all my life (thanks Dad), and mine is pretty bad. I tried using Giovanni Triple Treat Tea Tree shampoo, which is sulfate free. It worked well for about a month before my scalp got bad flakes and itch. You might give it a try and see if it works. You can get it at Target for <$8 bottle, and it lasts a long while. Someone recently recommended T/Sal as sulfate free, but I haven't had a chance to check it out yet. I'm currently using Selsun Blue on my scalp and co-washing my hair with Suave Naturals.

Maybe we need to start an SD support group?

pelicano 10-27-2009 10:27 AM

I'm a fellow sufferer. Nightmare, isn't it? For me my scalp always has to come before my hair when making choices, and there are so many things it won't tolerate.

The best thing I've found is vegetable glycerine! It's amazing stuff. It hasn't cured me, but has made things much more manageable.

I don't use a sulfate shampoo, and in fact I don't shampoo daily, but I do water wash daily, and scrub my scalp. I shampoo approx weekly (or sometimes twice weekly, depending on how things go) with a sulfate-free shampoo. I actually went without shampoo for 4 months once, which didn't make my scalp any worse (or indeed better).

JodiRae 10-27-2009 10:29 AM

Hello! Glad I'm not the only sufferer of this! It's a pain in the rear. Is the Selsen Blue sulfate free? Ill have to stop at the store on my way home. The prescription shampoo I got was expensive, too. 23.00 for four ounces...and that was the generic.

The nearest Target for me is 45 minutes, but I'll make a point to stop in there next time I'm out of town. I know Trader Joes' makes a tea tree shampoo as well. I may pick up a bottle of that next time I by one of those.


luckycurls 10-27-2009 12:16 PM

Life would be much simpler if Selsun Blue was sulfate-free, but it isn't. Still looking for a CG shampoo that works. Here's what is in T/Sal:

Active Ingredients: Salicylic Acid (3%)

Inactive Ingredients: Water, Cocamidopropyl Betaine, Sodium C14 16 Olefin Sulfonate, Linoleamidopropyl PG Dimonium Chloride Phosphate, Sodium Lauroyl Sarcosinate, Polyquaternium 22, Hexylene Glycol, Sodium Citrate

trudibeth77 07-27-2010 12:26 PM

Hi! I'm brand new here- just recently ran across this forum in disgust (with my hair!). I have 3b'ish hair (fine/ medium, somewhat porous and fairly tight curls)- but I suffer from SD and was told by my derm that I should shampoo every day. In addition, I was told to rotate medicated shampoo daily so that my scalp doesn't get used to any one kind (ie, sal. acid, coal tar, selsum blue, etc). You can imagine how kind that has been to my hair. I finally got fed up and quit using the medicated shampoo and I honestly can't tell any difference (don't think it's gotten worse). I've had a bad flair up over the last few years and it's so frustrating. I have found using a coconut oil treatment once or twice a week helps keep it under control - but not completely gone (and the coconut oil makes my scalp itch like nothing else). I also just read about using an Apple Cider Vinegar rinse to help- so I think I'll try it. I want to go CG- just ordered the products, but I'm not sure I can go 100% no poo. One of the major issues of SD is that your scalp OVER produces oil and that causes the build up, I believe. Plus possibly a yeast issue. Any recommendations?

Here are the products I've ordered to start my new regimen-- I was thinking of trying to just shampoo with this sulfate-free shampoo once or twice a week initially... still hoping I get good results:

Beauty Without Cruelty Rosemary Mint Tea Tree Shampoo
Beauty Without Cruelty Rosemary Mint Tea Tree Conditioner
AG Recoil
Curl Keeper

I also own the Fairy Tales organic hair gel for my daughter- and really like it. It's for kids but the lady at the kids' salon said she sells more to Moms than kids. I may keep using it. Also have some Bumble and Bumble leave-in conditioner I may continue to use. These are both CG-friendly products.

I guess I'm just looking for some ideas. I'm hoping an occasional poo with the BWC CG-friendly poo, coconut oil regimen and ACV rinse will keep scalp healthy and also keep my curls happy. Any advice? I HATE SD! Soooo annoying and really makes curly hair extra challenging!

Amazinnatural 07-27-2010 12:48 PM

I was diagnosed with seborrheic dermatitis when I was a little girl. I went to a dermatologist about it and she also prescribed me some pills, shampoo, and some face creams, all of these things did not work for my hair or skin. I stopped going to her when I was in middle school because these things were not treating my skin. I started using over other things like cortisone creams and anti-dry scalp shampoos and conditioners. I've been treating myself for seborrheic dermatitis for years now and I can honestly say that my personal treatment works all better and is less expensive. My skin flairs up in extreme temperatures, like when it's really hot or really cold. In the spring and fall my skin isn't bad at all. Currently I'm using shea butter to treat my face (I get dry patches) I use a shea butter based soap and that helps with my skin I also use it with the cortisone cream and they work really well together. I use a black soap shampoo and conditioner and that's helping me treat my dry scalp. I scalp has almost no flakes and I'm sooo happy. I will continue to use my products because they are definitely working for my hair and face. I just refuse to see a dermatologist that's not even treating my skin. I wish you ladies good luck, and try using cortisone cream it works just as good if not better than what a doctor prescribes.

Amazinnatural 07-27-2010 12:50 PM

BTW try using tea tree oil, eucalyptus oil, apple cider vinegar, and black soap on your scalp it will really help to cleanse your scalp and limit the flaky build up on your scalp.

Amazinnatural 07-27-2010 01:05 PM

Also ladies,
check out this website they have a list of product that helps treat SD, psoriasis, and eczema.

trudibeth77 07-29-2010 10:36 AM

Wow- thanks for the info! Yes- I've been finding that just trying to do my own "thing" (like the coconut oil) works just as well, if not better, than the dermatologist recommended regimen... without all the chemicals, etc. I haven't found anything that has gotten it completely under control yet- but it's manageable.

I have a dry patch on my eyebrow right now (and a little in between my eyes). I keep meaning to pick up some hydrocortisone cream-- the derm recommended that. Glad to know it works!

Amazinnatural 07-29-2010 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by trudibeth77 (Post 1427135)
Wow- thanks for the info! Yes- I've been finding that just trying to do my own "thing" (like the coconut oil) works just as well, if not better, than the dermatologist recommended regimen... without all the chemicals, etc. I haven't found anything that has gotten it completely under control yet- but it's manageable.

I have a dry patch on my eyebrow right now (and a little in between my eyes). I keep meaning to pick up some hydrocortisone cream-- the derm recommended that. Glad to know it works!

You're welcome,
I've been using cortizone for years now, but I'm always looking for other regimens to treat my SD, I think I'm going to buy Shea Moisture Black Soap body wash and see how that affects my skin. I know their black soap shampoo and conditioner works wonders on my scalp so I am going to try the body wash as well. I wil let you know how it works for me.
But definitely check out the website they have really good all-natural skin care products, especially for dry skin. I'm glad that I could help!:color:

CurlyPolkaDot 07-29-2010 02:48 PM

Hi ! I'm a SD sufferer. I used to use T/Gel + Polytar and they Killed my hair.. Now I'm CG, but I still have Flairs when My Scalp Controls me :( But I cope, (With Out Tea-Tree because i'm allergic) with Low-poo, and Co wash for the next 3 days and repeat.

Little Red 07-29-2010 10:39 PM

My fellow sufferers. As someone said earlier, the dermatitis dictates what I can and can't do on my scalp.

Amazinnatural 07-30-2010 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by CurlyPolkaDot (Post 1427415)
Hi ! I'm a SD sufferer. I used to use T/Gel + Polytar and they Killed my hair.. Now I'm CG, but I still have Flairs when My Scalp Controls me :( But I cope, (With Out Tea-Tree because i'm allergic) with Low-poo, and Co wash for the next 3 days and repeat.

He lady,
Try using ACV rinses and baking soda, I know that cleans the scalp really good. Also google Seborrheic dermatitis remedies, there's websites that have recipes that don't include tea tree. Also try to find products that contain chamomile, I know that helps to calm the flairs. I'll come back with a list of recipes though.

curl goddess 07-30-2010 11:25 AM

Ive also had this all my life. It usually is worse in the winter, and I sometimes get a flare up when the seasons change.

I use T/gel & Tsal. It used to be different ingredients, but about 10yrs ago, they changed it. Tsal and Tgel were once combined. So I mix the two, or use the brown colored one. I only use it when the outbreak is really bad, with intense flaking and sores. BEFORE shampooing, make sure use use a brush on your scalp vigorously, to remove scales on the scalp. That way the medication can get to the scalp more effectively. (I do this when its just a mild flare up and im using the TTree shampoos too. ) Leave shampoo on as long as you can - several minutes. It is harsh on the hair - requiring Deep Condish Treatments during the month.

I use Giovanni TTree or TJs Tea Tree with great results. Maybe about once a month i have to use these shampoos.

Seborrheic Dermatitis is a build up of oils on the scalp which result in clogged pores equalling flaking and sores on the scalp. Brushing does help remove this. I know thats counter to curly hair care, but if you do it before shampooing, you might get better results.

Also, as with most skin problems - having oils in the diet will help. Vit E, Evening primrose oil, Omega 3s, etc are all helpful. EPO is amazing for skin issues. In my 20s i had roseacia and nothing helped. Then I started using EPO and it cleared up and i never had it again. Its a life saver now for moods during my menopausal transition. Cant say enough great things about it!

I have also started using ACV rinses just in the past couple weeks. Its been amazing for my curls - but dont know if its making a difference in my scalp. I will keep tabs on it and post later, esp when fall/winter approaches. I always get a major flare up during this time.

I wash my hair every 5-7 days.

Good luck! Once you get this under control with finding what works - it will be only a minor inconvenience as it is with me.

curl goddess 07-30-2010 11:35 AM

wanted to add - that Ive noticed when I use alot of products on my hair, gels, pomades..... it results in flaking and itching and sometimes a bad flare up. Be careful of that, and try to use natural or CG styling products, lightly, and not close to scalp area if thats possible, or rinsing out the next day.

Amazinnatural 07-30-2010 11:46 AM

@curl goddess what is EPO?

Here are some recipes for SD:
SD hair wash:
1c apple cider vinegar
1c aloe vera juice
5 drops sage extract
5 drops rosemary extract
10 drops lavender oil
10 drops lemon oil
1/4c spring water
1/4c castile soap
3 large tbsp coconut oil

mix everything together in a stainless steel pot, and bring to a boil, pour in a 20 oz dark bottle, store in a dark cool place or store in refrigerator.

Scalp oil treatment:
10 drops lavender oil
5 drops manuku oil
5 drops neem oil
5 drops rosemary extract
10 drops vitamin E
5 drops sea burdock oil
5 drops sage oil
2 drops honeysuckle extract

scalp rinse:
3 large tbsp coconut oil (melted)
4 drops lemon juice

massage in scalp, let set on hair for 30 mins. then rinse off.
Hope this helps

Amazinnatural 07-30-2010 11:56 AM

@curl goddess my scalp also gets really dry in extreme temperatures summer/winter, and my SD flairs up when the seasons change as well. What things have you used on scalp this past winter? I just started using Sheamoisture black soap shampoo and conditioner this year, and so far it has cleaned my scalp very well. I'm wondering though if it will have the same affect as it gets cooler. Also have you used coconut oil directly on your scalp by itself? If so how has it treated your scalp? I do use a coconut oil blend and it's been working for both my scalp and hair so I'm just wondering how well does coconut oil works on the scalp by itself. I try to use all natural products as much as possible, but I'm still looking for more natural hair products that work very well for dry scalp. If you have any other suggestions let me know. Thanks!!!!:toothy8:

Nej 07-30-2010 12:01 PM

Ugh! I get this bad but not sure if it's dry scalp or SD ... My entire hairline from front to back gets it the worst, with severe patches of flaking, scabbing, and intense itching. It tends to go away when I'm in costal temperate climates with soft water which is what leads me to believe it's from dryness. I've been perscribed cortisol creams and such but so far nothing has really made a difference :(

curl goddess 07-30-2010 12:13 PM

EPO - Evening Primrose Oil - a supplement

I find in the winter it flares up more as you arent getting air to the scalp - wearing hats, staying inside where the heater is on. So yes, by the ocean it is somewhat better. I lived in a more moisture area in Cali, and still had flare ups. Now i live in AZ - but think that using oil supplements internally that i listed above have helped. As well as hair brushing before shampooing

For shampoos - im using TJoes shampoo, and Giovanni Tea tree when i feel itchy, and Tsal/gel when its really bad. Find that frequent shampooing makes it worse. During some of my worst flare ups, had to use it every day or every other day, but it hasnt gotten that bad in a few years. Staying on top of it is crucial. Ive also noticed STRESS aggravates it. Sweat aggravates it. Too many products close to the scalp aggravates it. Bad Diet aggravates it. Just like any other part of the skin on your body.....

I havent tried any oil products on my scalp. Not sure if that would exasperate the problem or not. Maybe my age - maybe ive outgrown it some. I think ive just learned how to deal, using the Tea Tree Shampoo at the slightest hint, and using the Tgel/sal and leaving it on for a long time after brushing it really well - all these things have resulted in a more manageable scalp, for me.

I use Jessicurl products mostly......

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:01 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2011