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Old 11-22-2009, 10:09 AM   #181
 
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DEL2C, I think you're spot on about why it works for porous hair!

I think AJJ just better explained why my fine and low-porosity hair ended up responding positively to S&C once I played around with it some more. And as I mentioned before, getting my hair balanced was a big step too.

Basically, it isn't the amount of water that makes S&C work for my fine and low-porosity hair...I think it had to do with that magic moment in time when the cuticle opens and I can finally get condish into the strands. Similarly to porous hair, once my hair is water-logged I can't get anything else into the hair shaft. And since I'm low porosity and don't have the issues with water-logging damage like the porous curlies do, this is why the SSM for certain products is not a problem for me. Does that make sense? Or didI muddy the water again? Struttswife said something about water and hair before, I'll try to find the link.

Oh, and I should mention that if my hair gets OC'd again, this method would probably not work for me anymore. Since getting the really damaged stuff cut off, I haven't had problems with OC'ing.
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I also agree with AJJ's comments. I used S&C again yesterday (pic attached) and still find it works well. I was starting to think I had my porosity wrong, but I don't think so as all characteristics still point to low and med. It must be that the extra time with condish helps my hair to absorb and benefit from it. The only thing that I can consistently report that differs from the more porous types is no change in the drying time.
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Link I mentioned earlier, the one about Struttswife discussing water absorption: ACV rinse after protein/DTs or before?. Post #18.

It was that post that got me thinking about my porosity and how the S&C method might help get moisture into my hair.

I should also clarify that yes, using less water like DEL2C and porous girls use is beneficial, but the part about the method that I think is working for me is having the heavier condish on first instead of the old routine I did: wet the hair, use lighter COwash, then my rinse out condish. By the time I was putting the heavier condish on my hair, my hair was waterlogged and wasn't absorbing it. I do still use a rinse out after I COwash, but that's probably out of dry hair paranoia.
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Old 11-22-2009, 11:25 AM   #184
 
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I just lost my whole book I typed! UGH! Stupid TWC!

Anyway I think for Tahia it allows the condish to get in and penetrate...by allowing adequate time. Her hair looses moisture more slowly than mine and in a very specific way. It starts from the ends and works up..like shriveling or something. That's how we know to wash/condish her hair..when it hits about 2-4 inches up the strands. Her canopy will also appear dry to the touch and her front strands (they look bleached but we don't highlight her hair..maybe the sun IDK) will get dry.

I think peaches is right on..heavier condish first. Tahia's hair is definitely medium to coarse..there are some fine strands but they are no longer the majority as she gets older.

We don't notice any drying time difference. In braid (s) her hair takes 2 days minimum to fully dry. That hasn't changed. I also don't think we can go further w/o wash/condish...it's really in the non poofy and softness of her hair. It lays better with this method....since we started using tons of LI we haven't really had the poof problem or frizz problems we were having..and her hair was soft..but nothing like this method gives us....The plus when it is soft is also that it is more malleable (sp?) and I don't have to use as much other product to lay it down to go into a ponytail.

She's very happy with it and I'm not sure her hair can be O'Ced...we'll report back if that happens but I'd be surprised..with how dry it is ... seems very unlikely.
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I also agree with AJJ's comments. I used S&C again yesterday (pic attached) and still find it works well. I was starting to think I had my porosity wrong, but I don't think so as all characteristics still point to low and med. It must be that the extra time with condish helps my hair to absorb and benefit from it. The only thing that I can consistently report that differs from the more porous types is no change in the drying time.
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Anyway I think for Tahia it allows the condish to get in and penetrate...by allowing adequate time. Her hair looses moisture more slowly than mine and in a very specific way. It starts from the ends and works up..like shriveling or something. That's how we know to wash/condish her hair..when it hits about 2-4 inches up the strands. Her canopy will also appear dry to the touch and her front strands (they look bleached but we don't highlight her hair..maybe the sun IDK) will get dry.
That's how mine does it!!! Mine I think I can explain: the ends of my hair are the oldest (I know, duh), but my canopy and front has the finest strands. Those finer strands have shown me that they lose protein, moisture, and color the fastest.

Since getting my hair balanced out, the drying time seems about normal.

And I'd love to have that hair angel29ish! What I'd give for those spirals...
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I'm trying this again since my hair does need redone. I'm using the Lustrasilk Shea Mango as the pre-shower conditioner this time since I still have my tub from last winter, lol. It hasn't gotten cold yet so I really haven't needed it yet this fall.

At least it smells better than the AOWC I used yesterday.

I'll report back to make sure that it still works and that yesterday wasn't a fluke.
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Thanks so much Alexjoujou and Peaches! I think you both are onto something...it totally makes sense. Alex, you are such a good mom spending time with your daughter's hair. My DD also has curly hair and there were many times when she was growing up that it was a challenge. Good on ya'!
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I'm trying this again since my hair does need redone. I'm using the Lustrasilk Shea Mango as the pre-shower conditioner this time since I still have my tub from last winter, lol. It hasn't gotten cold yet so I really haven't needed it yet this fall.

At least it smells better than the AOWC I used yesterday.

I'll report back to make sure that it still works and that yesterday wasn't a fluke.
I did it yesterday with Lustrasilk Mango!! It worked great for me and got 2nd day with no problema

Alex what you say makes perfect sense about your daughter! I'm going to Edit the thread title for sure now.

Peaches I actually linked that thread on Post #79, I hope you didn't have to work too hard to find it!! I wanted to show that SW talked about doing DT's by spritzing first & I so no reason to do our Co-washing this way too! You agree now I see . I don't know if doing S&C on a daily basis would lead to being OC'd or not. I haven't yet there were a couple times this Fall when my hair was a little softer then I liked but it was still workable. I try to avoid doing my hair on a daily basis, it's just a pain for me so if you do get OC'd let us know. Hopefully you won't.

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I used Lustrasilk S/M that way once! Worked great!

DEL2C, come to think of it, it may have been this thread that I first saw that convo! <forehead smack> LOL! I didn't have to look real hard, I put the link in another response recently so I just looked there. But yeah, that post made me really start thinking about how this method might work for me. Glad I tried it again!

I should mention that the one time I got OC'd, it was way before my hearing about S&C (this thread) AND before I chopped the damage off (~6 inches I think?). The OC'ing was early on in CG, the only product I had with protein at that time was Suave coconut. It just wasn't enough for my hair.
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Thanks so much Del! Coming from you, with your absolutely beautiful hair, means alot. I have a friend in California who is picking me up some of the Shea Mango Lustrasilk and sending it (Sallys doesn't ship to Canada ). I can't wait to try it.
I used the S&C again today with NG Hemp, just got back from a wild football game...(we are going to the Grey Cup!! - Canadian version of the Superbowl)and hair is holding up great. During the week I find it hard to use this method because of over use of the snooze button...I really need to get into a better routine. Thanks again.
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It turned out well today too, even if it did get rumples later, lol. With a little pomade before capping it tonight I should get second day hair tomorrow.

For those of you using it regularly, do you prefer haveier or lighter conditioners for this? If it makes a difference, I don't get overconditioned easily. I've been CG or semi CG since 2006 and I think I have been overconditioned for about 3 days of it, lol.
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Old 11-23-2009, 05:51 AM   #193
 
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I think I did it wrong because I got a TON of frizz

I sprayed my hair. However, perhaps I did it too much? It was a little drippy which leads me too think I over did it with the spraying... except it wasn't as wet as it usually is when I come out of the shower? I probably also messed up because I forgot one had to scrunch in the conditioner and instead I sort of raked it through and THEN I remembered and scrunched. Finally, when I went in the shower I used a bit of my cowash to scrub my scalp. I rinsed it all off and did a honey rinse.

Would the honey rinse have been too much?

I styled as usual, spraying LI and scrunching in gel.
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loto spraying too much wouldn't give you frizz. I don't think raking vs. scrunching makes much difference because you're wetting again in the shower. What conditioner did you use?

Depending on your dew points the Honey rinse could cause frizz because of it's humectant properties. There's a thread about Honey in the newbie section and how it's used.

RCC I've used it with any of my conditioners. The results I get vary in terms of curl enhancement and smoothing properties but not over conditioning.
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Thanks Del for the input. What seems to be giving you better enhancement?
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Old 11-23-2009, 09:27 AM   #196
 
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At the moment I've gotten the best results from Aura Cherry Almond Bark, CJ Rehab, LVPNG (always works for me) I've used Lustrasilk Shea M. once so far & plan to use it again, I really liked the results. Aura, LVPNG & Lustrasilk have Stearamidopropyl Dimethylamine which seem to agree with me very well I've gotten mixed results with Mop Greens but I'm not sure if it was due to the combo of Stylers I chose.
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After reading upthread from another fine curly having good results, I gave it a try. I am not a coarse or a porous head, I'm most definitely fine-haired and extremely non-porous, but I tried this method today with great success!

I spritzed my hair until quite damp but not soaking dripping wet and applied about 2 finger scoops of Lustrasilk Olive Oil Cholesterol condish and let it sit on my hair for about 30 minutes. I got in the shower to rinse a bit and then I low-pooed with Jessicurl HCC. After rinsing out and squeezing most of the water out with my hands, I reapplied another 2 finger scoops of the Lustrasilk and lightly raked and scrunched through. I scrunched more with a t-shirt and scrunched in a small amount of Curl Junkie Smoothing Gellie and diffused.

The first thing I noticed is how silky soft and moisturized my hair feels. The next thing I noticed is tons of curls and more volume than I usually get. The drying time was not reduced, but my hair always takes a long time to dry.

Thanks, DEL! This seems to be a great method for all sorts of hair types.
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I think some of the difference between the fine and coarse curlies can be seen in amounts used also.

I'm using two palmfulls of conditioner and Misspam is using two to four fingerscoops. That does make a difference.
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I think some of the difference between the fine and coarse curlies can be seen in amounts used also.

I'm using two palmfulls of conditioner and Misspam is using two to four fingerscoops. That does make a difference.
You're right though I am surprised by how much of the Lustrasilk I can use as a leave-in without it weighing down my fine hair. Two palmfuls on my head would most certainly be overkill!

I just measured my fingerscoop and it is equivalent to 1 tablespoon. So I used 2 tablespoons for the initial application and 2 tablespoons for my leave-in.

Still not nearly the amount you use, RCC, or any other more coarse-haired curly. I still think this is going to be another winter where el-cheapo Lustrasilk saves my hair!
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OK, my big jug of Knot Today came in today and I'm wetting my hair for a third day in a row, lol. I haven't done that in months, but new guy will ruffle the hair...

I just did the spritz part and I already like it better with the Knot Today. Hell, it looks good enough now that it looks like I just styled it. I'm sure the behentrimonium methosulfate has something to do with it because my hair responds well to it, but I also think that this must be an acidic conditioner.

The first ingredient is mango fruit extract. I don't know the pH of it, but I am assuming that a fruit extract is somewhat acidic. I have wondered why finer curlies who hair is less dry than mine have said that KCKT is not moisturizing when I find that it is. It may well be an acidity thing. An acidic conditioner may just sit on non porous hair while it helps control porous hair.

I swear, if KCKT ever goes away or changes formulations, I will cry like a 4 year old who lost her Halloween candy.
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