Spritz and Condish Washing for Porous Types+Thirsty Curls Everywhere!

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I think some of the difference between the fine and coarse curlies can be seen in amounts used also.

I'm using two palmfulls of conditioner and Misspam is using two to four fingerscoops. That does make a difference.
Originally Posted by redcelticcurls
You're right though I am surprised by how much of the Lustrasilk I can use as a leave-in without it weighing down my fine hair. Two palmfuls on my head would most certainly be overkill!

I just measured my fingerscoop and it is equivalent to 1 tablespoon. So I used 2 tablespoons for the initial application and 2 tablespoons for my leave-in.

Still not nearly the amount you use, RCC, or any other more coarse-haired curly. I still think this is going to be another winter where el-cheapo Lustrasilk saves my hair!
Originally Posted by misspam
That Lustrasilk is a winter lifesaver, and you can't beat the price!
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Med/Coarse, porous curly.
I am non-porous. I tried this technique this morning with really good results. My scalp tends to get very oily after cleansing my hair, but the rest of my hair fares well with regularly washing/conditioning, so this technique was pretty spot on with this problem. For some reason, for the last six months or so, my curl formation and definition have been increasing lacking. This technique brought my hair back to 3b spirally curls after they had fallen into the 2c category. Not to mention, my curls are actually SHINY and I have the body I used to!

Only thing I'm wondering is, how do you deal with your curls close to your head after you've hanged your head over for washing/conditioning and styling? Do you finger comb your curls down at the scalp a little before styling so the hair closest to your scalp isn't as messy? I was almost scared about what my hair would look like after I hanged my head over to wash/condition, then immediately kept it hanging over as I paper towel blotted and scrunched in my gel. After this, I flipped my head back over and had a mess at the top of my head. I was patient though, and didn't touch anything until it was dry, and after drying, the hair at the top of my head had laid down considerably. After it was dry I flipped my head back over and shook the hair at the roots with my fingertips to separate the hair closest to the scalp and help it lie down. It worked perfectly. No mess anymore.

I guess I'm just asking if there are any steps you should do with this method after getting out of the shower and before styling your hair.
Results of trying the S&C method for the first time tonight after my workout:

First thing I noticed: I need a fluffy terry bathrobe for this technique. I put on a silky robe and soaked my shoulders with the spritzing and was very cold while I sat with the conditioner on my hair.

Second thing: I shouldn't use a sweet-smelling conditioner while I sit with it on my hair while I eat dinner. My olfactory senses were confusing my gustatory senses!

But overall, my hair felt extra soft and slippery in the shower when I rinsed out the co (CJ H&B Deep Fix). I co-washed with Suave Naturals Coconut, rinsed, shook out a little water, smoothed a little AOMM on, squeezed out water with a flour sack towel, plopped, and am airdrying. I'm hoping for Del-like waves before bed.

I think this method helps the hair soak up the conditioner better. Thanks Del!
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Last edited by solidgold; 11-23-2009 at 06:54 PM.
Ok so I've spent the better part of the evening reading thru this waaayyy long thread.
Don't know where I have been that I missed the whole darn thing.
I think from the title of it I just disregarded it to mean something to use like on 2nd day hair??
Ya know to refresh it or something.

Tomorrow after work I'm gonna give it a try.
It makes sense to me to add condish to dampened hair and let it sit for a while B4 getting it all saturated with water.
Possibly this waaayy dense mop will absorb the condish more than the water.

Will post the results and hopefully some pics if I can get BF to take some for me.

Thanks for posting this thread DEL!!
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Oh dear. All this raving is making me wonder why it wasn't working so well for me. Obviously I'll be trying again tomorrow.

Also, is it possible I'm the only person for whom Lustrasilk is useless?
3b/c, CG 9/18/08
Last process: 04/05/08 Big Chop: 08/08/09
Currently: Herbal Essences Hello Hydration, Herbal Essences Set Me Up gel (summer only), Boots Curl Creme (winter only)
I've never been able to determine my porosity using the various tests, but based on the fact that my hair slurps protein like crazy, I've decided that I must be porous.

I normally only wet my hair twice a week, so it's been slow going trying to test this method, but I think it's going to be a winner for me.

On Sunday nights I low-poo/PT/DT. The difference now is that 1) after I low-poo, I squeeze the water out of my hair several times before applying the PT, and 2) after I rinse out the PT I plop with a flour sack towel for 3-5 minutes before applying the DT (JC WDT).

On Wed nights, I do the regular S&C; lately I've been using Mop-C Hydrating conditioner.

I use a LOT of conditioner both times, but since I'm only applying twice a week, OC hasn't been a problem. And even though I'm applying more DT than before, there's nothing but a light film left in my plastic cap when I take it off, so it would seem that my hair is able to take up more of the DT than before.

Now that the dews have dropped, I'm using less gel than I do in the summer. I've also started using a small amount of KCKT for a LI.

I haven't seen a decrease in the air drying time; in fact, it seems to take LONGER to dry, in spite of using less gel. Maybe it's due to adding the KCKT, or maybe it's just because the house is cooler with the lower temps.

What I AM seeing, though, is NO FRIZZ, and much less prone to tangling. And the curls are more defined and hold up longer, even with less gel. I'm sure some of this improvement is related to the dews decreasing into the moderate range, but I feel that the S&C is making a big difference too.
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Current products
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Low-poo: JC GLS or JC HCC
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut (also do water-wash)
Rinse-out: AO GPB, Mop C Hydrating Conditioner
Leave-in: KCKT
Stylers: BB FSG, BRHG, JC Oil Blend, BB Hemp, Grapeseed, & Clary Sage Hair and Body Butter
Deep treatments: Nexxus Emergencee PT, Jessicurl WDT
Occasional ACV rinses

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I swear, if KCKT ever goes away or changes formulations, I will cry like a 4 year old who lost her Halloween candy.
You forgot to add with rumples in her hair

another good report from RCC, WOOT WOOT!


Oh Miss Pamy! I'm tickled pink that you even tried this! I'm actually surprised that you could use LOOC as your conditioner! It's actually meant to be used as a LI. When I tried it last yr. as a rinse out it was YUK. Must be the fine hair on your head! Give it a try with another condish too! The Aura worked very nicely. I haven't had a condish not work well as long as it got ingredients that my hair likes.

This is so cool curlies from all lengths and textures with good results! Keep it going girls!!!
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OTC-have you tried Lustrasilk again since your BC?? I can't imagine the Shea Mango not working for you as a DT now that your hair is healthy. The Shea may not absorb well as a LI because it's made for porous hair. I still prefer the Olive Oil as a LI. Unless it's the dead of Winter the Shea Mango weighs me down & then I'll rotate between the 2.
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Last edited by DEL2C; 11-24-2009 at 05:50 AM.
Anything for you DEL my

I am actually surprised it worked because I thought only porous heads would benefit. But when I read further and realized why it works, by introducing condish before the hair gets saturated by water, it made sense to give it a try. My hair is stubbornly non-porous and is probably the reason why I have always suffered with dry hair.

With the Lustrasilk, I normally do not care for it as a rinse-out either because it lacks slip, but using it in this manner, sort of as a pre-poo, seemed to work very well. And as a winter leave-in, I can pile it on my fine hair without worry of getting weighed down.

I will be trying this new method with other condish as well. I have the Aura, KBB Super Silky, and Jessicurl Aloeba and Too Shea! I'm hoping for wonderfully moisturized hair all winter long.

Thanks, DEL!
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OTC-have you tried Lustrasilk again since your BC?? I can't imagine the Shea Mango not working for you as a DT now that your hair is healthy. The Shea may not absorb well as a LI because it's made for porous hair. I still prefer the Olive Oil as a LI. Unless it's the dead of Winter the Shea Mango weighs me down & then I'll rotate between the 2.
I used the Shea Mango for the pre-poo portion of the SC method some time last week, it left my hair feeling very rough when I was ready to shower. I'll try it again as an actual DT, though.

Today I did the SC after using the OOC as an overnight DT (very generous slathering). I added a little Nature's Gate (using it up) to help co-wash, then got in the shower and rinsed. My hair felt marginally conditioned (not the quality I expect from a DT). But it seems I mixed which Lustrasilk for the two tasks!

Today I'm leaving in GVP balm (well, the Walgreens kind), and I've been doing that with success for a couple weeks (that used to leave my hair SO producty feeling). Any thoughts on the switch?
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OTC - I LOVE the Shea Mango, but I have to use heat with it. Even as a pre-poo. Maybe try it like that? Sometimes my GVP CB works better with heat too.

jpinilla - I think I understand what you're asking, so I'll answer about my own flat-top syndrome and what I do for it. I do everything upright as far as S&C and in the shower, and only once I start adding my LIs/stylers do I pick/comb out my hair upside down. My hair doesn't have any memory as far how it was rinsed (upside down or right side up). Also, the pre-poo conditioning is only done on the oldest parts of my hair (not the roots!) since I can get greasy roots otherwise. Does that help at all?
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DTs: Lustrasilk SM, GVPCB
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OK so I did it tonight.
I tried to spritz water with my spray bottle but its a pretty crappy spray bottle.
I ended up using a soaking wet wash cloth to dampen my hair. It worked pretty darn good.

I added some GVP condish balm and AOHR together.
Left it in my hair for an hour or so when the ends started to dry a bit I added more.
My hair absorbed the condish pretty good.

Rinsed it out and very little washed out.
It seemed to have absorbed. Felt great soft and moisturized.
Used some DevaCare loo-poo on my scalp and length. Followed with VO5 strawberry moisture combed out loose hairs. Almost no tangles. Added my products as usual.
Towel dryed w/t-shirt towel.
My hair looks curlier and feels really healthy.
I think it worked!!!

Thanks Del!
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Co-wash: GVP CB
Condish: GVP CB
LI: KBB nectar
Styler: CK CIAB
Gel: BRHG
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Good to hear IamDonna

rudee's post got me thinking....when she went to see Carlos he left a ton of condish in her hair. Obviously for a wavy that wouldn't work the same. But, as we know conditioners do leave a little something behind even after you rinse. So maybe, in a sense doing S&C is doing something similar because we're absorbing more condish this way?
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That was always my thought, Del. Even after washing and putting in your leave-in, you just plain have more condish on your hair (well, IN it). That would account for the extra softness people are reporting and the extra definition (I think I read some reports of increased definition).

And the decreased dry time for some (since the condish displaces the water).

I wonder if your pre-poo condish can be something you don't typically like as a rinse out? The only condish I've really liked for this is GVP balm, which is also my rinse out and my leave-in (I'm scared I'll overuse it and then it won't work for me anymore!!).
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That was always my thought, Del. Even after washing and putting in your leave-in, you just plain have more condish on your hair (well, IN it). That would account for the extra softness people are reporting and the extra definition (I think I read some reports of increased definition).

And the decreased dry time for some (since the condish displaces the water).

I wonder if your pre-poo condish can be something you don't typically like as a rinse out? The only condish I've really liked for this is GVP balm, which is also my rinse out and my leave-in (I'm scared I'll overuse it and then it won't work for me anymore!!).
Originally Posted by onethousandcurls

It's weird though becuause for me using tons of condish the "normal" way totally works the opposite on me. I get weighed down and OC'd. My hair absorbs it better when it's damp.

Try S&C with one of your lighter conditioners or Lustrasilk and use the GVP as your final rinse out/LI like you've been doing. It's worth a try! IamDonna used VO5 and NO-POO as her final rinse outs. You certainly can play around with this.
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Tried this with my little girl and it worked fantastic! I had done it over the Summer with not so good results but I used too much condish by accident. Then I just figured it was a porous thing anyway so I didn't try again.

She's 2B/3A fine haired and her curls are full, defined & gorgeous using S&C. It hasn't looked this curly & defined since the Summer!! It sure makes doing her hair a heck of a lot easier too. I was able to detangle most of her hair after thoroughly spritzing and adding EO Vanilla Citrus. I was generous with the LI instead of adding additional condish because her hair is fine & it worked really well. I'm not sure about the drying time because her hair dries fast anyway. Plus I use CJ AF on her hair and that makes it dry faster too for some reason.
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Last edited by DEL2C; 11-25-2009 at 07:32 PM.
Just wanted to let ya'll know that I'm still using this method and it's still working fabulously!

I still haven't firgured out why in the world it helps with the pony tail or bun "bump" in the middle of my head after an updo...but somehow it does!

Oh, and I still haven't gotten OC'd after all this time!
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I just tried this method last night and so far I really like it. The only thing different was my curl pattern was looser, so I was wondering if this might work with other techniques (i.e. icequeen or super-soaker). Since it isn't really a specific way of styling, I think I'm going to try it with the icequeen tonight. Also-- how wet do you mist your hair? I didn't have a water bottle so I just got my hands wet and gently patted them on my head, but I don't think I got it wet enough.

Thanks for another awesome thread!
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I just tried this method last night and so far I really like it. The only thing different was my curl pattern was looser, so I was wondering if this might work with other techniques (i.e. icequeen or super-soaker). Since it isn't really a specific way of styling, I think I'm going to try it with the icequeen tonight. Also-- how wet do you mist your hair? I didn't have a water bottle so I just got my hands wet and gently patted them on my head, but I don't think I got it wet enough.

Thanks for another awesome thread!
Originally Posted by zcurlygirl
If your curl pattern was looser it's hard to say what the culprit was. Was your hair soft or did it feel dry? You really should find a water bottle you can't get all of your hair thoroughly wet by just patting it with water. You want it more then damp but not sopping wet. I think I described it earlier in the thread. I still do the Ice Queen method (sorta) for my final rinse out so that would help you with curl enhancement or the super soaker. Post back & let us know how it works out.

I think this method helps the hair soak up the conditioner better. Thanks Del!
That's the idea!
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2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
I just tried this method last night and so far I really like it. The only thing different was my curl pattern was looser, so I was wondering if this might work with other techniques (i.e. icequeen or super-soaker). Since it isn't really a specific way of styling, I think I'm going to try it with the icequeen tonight. Also-- how wet do you mist your hair? I didn't have a water bottle so I just got my hands wet and gently patted them on my head, but I don't think I got it wet enough.

Thanks for another awesome thread!
Originally Posted by zcurlygirl
I do it with the icequeen and have had really good results! I actually haven't tried doing it any other way, now that I think about it... Good luck!
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It worked pretty well for me.
I'm gonna use it as a new way to do all my DT's.
Seems it will soak up the deep condish much better than applying it as my last step.
Next time I'm gonna use my CJHB fix or CJ's other one can't remember the name of it at the moment tho.....

I think CRAFT is setting in on me!?! OH NO!!!
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Co-wash: GVP CB
Condish: GVP CB
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Styler: CK CIAB
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