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Old 12-20-2009, 10:40 AM   #261
 
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I still can't past day 2 this winter, (or winter in general) but I think I'm just too porous for multi-day in low dew points. My ends start going straight.

With my length and porosity, those ends need more consistent conditioning in the winter.
Hmm, well my crown area starts to go straight but my ends don't change that much. We've said this before RCC I'm more coarse then you and you are more Porous then Me!

WHC it's got to be because you're lower porosity or maybe it's the air where you live

Great to hear more positive feedback from all you gals!!!!!
If my crown goes straight, that's a call for protein for me, lol. Moisture loss is straight ends. I guess that's convenient! It's been about a year since I've had a trim, so I may also be due. I have old ends, so I think they notice the moisture loss more quickly. If I had hair that just grazed my shoulders, I think this would be less of an issue.

Interestingly, I do have good looking third day hair today. I used some CJCR on my dry (as in not wet) ends yesterday and that seemed to help. I'll still condition later today just to keep on top of things. The boy is going to the Steelers game with his Dad, so I have some free hours today.
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Hmm, well my crown area starts to go straight but my ends don't change that much. We've said this before RCC I'm more coarse then you and you are more Porous then Me!

WHC it's got to be because you're lower porosity or maybe it's the air where you live

Great to hear more positive feedback from all you gals!!!!!
This is interesting! How did you girls figure this out? I would love to finally figure out my hair! I recently used the JC Aloeba conditioner a couple of times and my hair has not complained! Now I'm seriously confused, I thought my hair was so coarse it couldn't take any protein and so I've been avoiding it completely!! Also I get good result from both S&C and super-soaker which from what I could tell is not common.

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Lots of trial and error, lol.

I knew that I had to be some type of coarse because my hair's dislike for almost every protein fits more into a coarse hair thing. Coarse hair has more built-in protein and tolerates less of it in products than finer hair does. Also, my hair is obviously not fine, even to the most inexperienced curl checker, lol. My natural hair color is a dishwater blonde, and people with that color range are more commonly fine than coarse, so very coarse seemed like it would be a less likely choice. But, with a father who is a natural redhead (and many real redheads are coarse) I seemed to have inherited a bit of that. The texture was more settled when I just asked my stylist. He called it a medium coarse with finer hair at the temples and straight-up coarse at my nape. One of my co-workers at TJ's is also a stylist. One day he just came up to me and said, "Wow, you have coarse hair for someone who has curly hair."


Porous took some time to figure out. I've been coloring my hair since '95 or so, so porous is a logical choice. Mostly it just acts porous - swells easily in humidity, reacts well to acidic things, hates alkaline things like poo bars, needs help with moisture retention, and has that roughish feel when I run my fingers up it.

From comparing my notes and Del's notes, we can pretty much tell that her hair is more coarse, and that my hair is more porous, even though we both fit into a vague coarse/porous category. If we ever meet, we'll probably be goofing around examining each others heads to compare.
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Old 12-20-2009, 11:06 AM   #263
 
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If my crown goes straight, that's a call for protein for me
Yeah I'm not blessed with much root curl unfortunately, so that's the first area to lose definition. I also can tolerate more ranges of proteins luckily so a straight up PT isn't the norm for me! Especially after my last fiasco with the Nexxus so no more PT's for me! I'd rather dabble a little with my condish & stylers....

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From comparing my notes and Del's notes, we can pretty much tell that her hair is more coarse, and that my hair is more porous, even though we both fit into a vague coarse/porous category. If we ever meet, we'll probably be goofing around examining each others heads to compare
HA HA! No doubt!!

I always knew I was coarse my heritage gives that away. The porosity was tough for me, I suspected I had porous tendencies when I did the experiments and compared notes with others. But I didn't fit it exactly so luckily my stylist confirmed that for me

ETA: I suspect when I do finally start coloring my hair it will become Porous rather then Med-High. That's probably one of the differences between RCC and I and why she's more porous then I am.
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Mostly it just acts porous - swells easily in humidity, reacts well to acidic things, hates alkaline things like poo bars, needs help with moisture retention, and has that roughish feel when I run my fingers up it.
okay that seals it for me then, Most of my hair is definately porous(the nape, the back and the part closest to my temples) it acts exactly the way you said, except for the rough part, all of it feels rough and bumpy. My crown though does not act this way.

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I got a 3 inch mini trim today, so that should take care of the dry ends, lol.

I'll see how it all works next time, but I'm sportin' the straight hair right now so I'm going to wait a bit.
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I still can't past day 2 this winter, (or winter in general) but I think I'm just too porous for multi-day in low dew points. My ends start going straight.

With my length and porosity, those ends need more consistent conditioning in the winter.
This is me as well! I actually logged on after catching a glimpse of my curls in the mirror while wrapping gifts. I tried to pull off second day hair yesterday and it was meh at the beginning of the day and so dry by the end. I did S&C last night with GVP CB and then followed with KCKT/KCCC in an overnight plop.

Even with adding tons of moisture I am still seeing frizz. I just can't seem to keep moisture in and at the same time its a fine balance to keep my roots from getting too weighted down and producty.

RCC - thanks for the heads up on KCKT big old jugs - I just ordered one. I'm averaging about 2 weeks a regular sized bottle right now.
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Hmm, interesting about the flat roots - maybe I'll try a shot of protein. I also have some straightening at my ends when it gets dry - in fact as the day goes on - especially if its really dry out - I can see the ends get straighter. I have a trim set for the 9th so hopefully that will help, too.
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Hmm, interesting about the flat roots - maybe I'll try a shot of protein. I also have some straightening at my ends when it gets dry - in fact as the day goes on - especially if its really dry out - I can see the ends get straighter. I have a trim set for the 9th so hopefully that will help, too.
I just got three inches cut, so I'll see how the ends are when I get my hair wet again. I got a blow out with my cut, so I can't tell you how it all looks with straight hair right now, lol.

Have you considered oil sealing? I feel that it does help with moisture retention in porous hair.
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I have been trying out this spritz and condish method for over a month now. I really wanted to plumb the depths of it before reporting back.

It's a keeper.
Del is BRILLIANT.
I think Del deserves an award.

The best thing about this method for me is that it gives me consistent enough hair that I have been able to trouble shoot other issues going on- like discovering that glycerine is giving me frizz, testing how my hair reacts to coconut oil etc. S&C gives me a "normal" to test from- never had that before coz I was always dealing with poof and searching for moisture. My hair loves getting this DT every few days.

With this method I can get 2nd and 3rd day hair (first time ever). Plus I actually discovered that my hair looks GREAT with no stylers at all. Just used a lot of leave-in and I got wonderful hair. Whod'a thunk?

I am also getting to use all sorts of stuff I had in my PJ stash that didn't work for stylers before- but they work well for the condish before the co-wash/low poo. For instance Qhemet AOHC is wonderful for it. I could never use Lustrasilk as a condish or L-I (got stringy) but it works great for the condish part and really reduces frizz.

I am even exploring upside down stuff with this method- I have plopped 2 times this week and it didn't ruin my hair! I NEVER plop!!! ANYTHING upside used to make me stringy. I may even venture into upside shower techniques- something I never thought I would do again.

I've also been able to start to oil seal- before S&C it would make me stringy. Now it works fine.

This method is amazing- I used to have the pickiest hair EVER- now it's much more forgiving. It's gotten that way over the weeks of using this- I think there's a cumulative effect.

I'm doing another curly hair workshop next week (my 4th!) and I am totally going teaching this as the method of choice for porous hair and something for everyone to try.

Three cheers for DEL!!!!




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Old 12-29-2009, 06:17 PM   #270
 
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YAY hmixon!!!!! I was wondering when you might give this a try. I almost sent you a PM just in case you missed this thread! That's a lot of improvement for you!!

The S&C method isn't getting out the heavier stylers/butters that I use in the Winter. I'm having to low poo my crown more often but in between I still do the S&C. I've also noticed that it does produce different results with the creamier stylers because of the condish that is left behind, so I've had to make adjustments with what stylers I use when I do S&C.
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I really wanted this to work for me, but I just ended up frizzy and/or overconditioned. My hair is sooooo soft and tends to lose definition easily. I'm glad it's working fabulously for other people
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I have to agree with hmixon. I've been using S&C for about a month and am having more consistent results too. S&C has also given me control over huge volume. My hair is shiny and curlier than ever before. You are the greatest DEL!!!
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I'm still liking this method. I don't do it all the time because I forget... , but when I do, it works great!
I did the spritz and condish the other day with a treatment from the CG book (1/2 condish-1/2 oil) as a treatment, then co-washed with condish and vinegar/lemon....and my hair turned out awesome. I do believe that this method of conditioning works better for me. I do it mainly when I do a deep treatment but it also works when I do a regular co-wash.
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I tried this method for the first time today and I didn't get great results. I'm chalking it up to the fact that I'm still in the transition period (almost 3 weeks CG), and I used the conditioner in my rotation that has Veggie Glycerin high up in the ingredient list. I chose that one because it has protein (and I'm pretty sure my hair needs it right now), but I think the glycerin killed my hair today in the low temps. I'll try again tomorrow with my Giovanni conditioner and see if I get better results.
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Okay, I've read the first bit of this thread and a few pages here and there, but I don't have time to read the whole thing since I have to study...

I'm trying this for the first time now. I (think I) have low porosity hair. How wet am I supposed to get my hair? I have thick, fairly coarse hair that goes a couple inches below my boobs (I need a trim). I misted it probably hmmm with 20 sprays? It doesn't seem to be that wet. Then I applied some Jessicurl WDT. It was hard to distribute through my hair without my hair being wet. I got some on the best that I could, but I can't really scrub my scalp without lots of water because I just can't get the condish through my hair to my scalp easily, if that makes sense? I used warm water in the hopes that would open the cuticle a little. Advice from experienced S&Cers?

ETA: I don't even feel like there is conditioner on 1/3 of my hair, like on the middle layers. I feel like the water in the shower sort of distributes it more. And I had to use a lot of conditioner to coat even 2/3 of my hair. What am I doing wrong? I've heard a lot of people say they need less conditioner and get more moisturized with this method...
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Hi tommorrow never knows!!

I have a lot of hair too! I had the same problem! my ends were getting very wet and my roots were dry. The water and condish was just not getting there. What I do now is section 4 or 5 times and do each separately, mist and apply conditioner grab some more hair mist and apply conditioner. Then once all is done, I scrunch and clip up. I've only just started doing it this way. I'm pretty sure the effects of S&C are cummulative so it'll be a while before I can tell if it's helping.

Anyways, hope that helps some.

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Thanks dominicana! How much do you mist each section?
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Thanks dominicana! How much do you mist each section?
That's a good question! I hope some of the other ladies chime in, becasue that is the only time in the process I have any doubts. I remember reading to wet until it feels similar to coming out of a plop. What I aim for is that there be no drips. Sometimes I get trigger happy and I'm dripping all over the place.

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Thanks for the great idea, DEL! I've been using the S&C for weeks now and it's working great! My hair is much more moisturized, drinks up less condish and drying time seems shorter -- from 6-7 hrs. to about 5. Still a crazy long time!

Instead of spritzing, I dab water in sections with my hands, which is quicker. Plus, my spray trigger would get really slippery from the leftover products transferring from my damp hair to my hands. Maybe my hair is getting too wet? As previous posters have asked, how damp is damp enough?
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Thanks for the great idea, DEL! I've been using the S&C for weeks now and it's working great! My hair is much more moisturized, drinks up less condish and drying time seems shorter -- from 6-7 hrs. to about 5. Still a crazy long time!

Instead of spritzing, I dab water in sections with my hands, which is quicker. Plus, my spray trigger would get really slippery from the leftover products transferring from my damp hair to my hands. Maybe my hair is getting too wet? As previous posters have asked, how damp is damp enough?
I never gave it a lot of thought about "how wet" my hair had to be I just spritzed it until it looked wet enough. Sometimes it drips other times it doesn't it's not "that" important as long as it wet enough to work the condish in. You're going to get it wet again in the shower and most likely add more condish anyway...

Here's a video it was posted on the 2's forum for a different purpose but it should give you a visual. HTH!

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