Spritz and Condish Washing for Porous Types+Thirsty Curls Everywhere! - Page 4

DEL2C · 10-29-2009, 06:26 PM

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curlykey · 10-29-2009, 08:16 PM

I'm not porous or a wavy but this got me to thinking....I have read that for a conditioner to better be absorbed in your hair, to blot out excess water and then apply your conditioner. In other words the wetter your hair, the less it absorbs the conditioner. I can see how spritzing your hair instead of soaking it and then applying conditioner would work better. I am going to try this.
I've also noticed that some stylers do better with more water while others are the opposite. For example the Gel-les'c...I don't know if it's because it's a "light" gel or what, but I've noticed that it does awesome in my hair when I blot out excess water and then use a leave in/detangler, whereas when I used it doing the SSM or with dripping hair out of the shower...it didn't do too good.

Maybe this is the key to getting more out of my conditioner as far as moisturizing...hmmm..and maybe I don't need a thicker conditioner after co-washing. you know Del you are pretty smart.

I will try this tomorrow when I wash. Thanks!

I hope I made sense.

DEL2C · 10-30-2009, 08:25 AM

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maybe I don't need a thicker conditioner after co-washing. you know Del you are pretty smart.

As much as I'd like to take credit for being "smart" this isn't my idea it's in the original CG handbook! She never talked about using a lighter condish for co-washing it's done with one Condish. It's no wonder so many end up over conditioned when they are introduced to the idea of using 2 conditioners!! This still works for some, but again you need to find what works for YOU. For me it's a disaster unless I'm super thirsty which I haven't been since doing the Spritz & Condish

You're right curleykey about the blotting before adding condish. You will absorb it better so I'm taking it one step further by spritzing letting it work itself in, then rinsing it out and adding a tad more if needed. I don't think this is only for porous heads but I know the porous ones struggle to keep their moisture, so it should be very helpful to those curlies. Hopefully

You be sure and report your results now!

Ondulee · 10-30-2009, 08:34 AM

Del2c; when you mist your hair before you apply the conditioner, how wet do you let your hair get? Do you mist in sections or just random spraying? I'm guessing that your hair is not soaking or dripping but probably pretty damp? Almost as if you'd plopped for a while?

DEL2C · 10-30-2009, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Frizzly

Del2c; when you mist your hair before you apply the conditioner, how wet do you let your hair get? Do you mist in sections or just random spraying? I'm guessing that your hair is not soaking or dripping but probably pretty damp? Almost as if you'd plopped for a while?

You're right Frizzly it's as if I'd plopped for a while but without product.

When are you gonna try it

Ondulee · 10-30-2009, 09:51 AM

I'm trying it tonight! I'm printing your first post so that I get it right. I'm excited too, maybe this can simplify my routine.

Curly_Jammy · 10-30-2009, 09:51 AM

Thanks for this!! I have super dry hair and I'm going to try this. I have never done the 2 conditioner thing. But I have used the vo5 to co-wash every other day, then a rise out and neem shampoo bar 1x a week. Your method is almost like a pre poo. Sounds easy too!

Pops G-Ma · 10-30-2009, 10:59 AM

Hi Del
Have you tried this method w/o spritzing and just applying conditioner on dry hair? I read the back of my AOHR bottle and it says for very dry hair to apply to dry hair and scalp, leave 15 min then shampoo/condition as usual. (i also noticed for the 1st time, to shake well before using)
Anyway.............by using your suggestion, for the 1st EVER i got 2nd day hair!
My 15yr old son said my hair looked "fresh", my husband said "cute" and my daughter (most important of all) said "your hair never looked softer"
The hair in my avie (which doesn't look dry) is within an hr or two of washing but never lasted more than 2-3 hours

curlykey · 10-30-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Pops G-Ma

Hi Del
Have you tried this method w/o spritzing and just applying conditioner on dry hair? I read the back of my AOHR bottle and it says for very dry hair to apply to dry hair and scalp, leave 15 min then shampoo/condition as usual. (i also noticed for the 1st time, to shake well before using)

I wondered about this too. You know on the Deva site they recommend for the 4 curlies to apply the No poo on dry hair...I've wondered about that..hmmm....
I tried the spritz 'n condish today. My hair is still drying so I'm not sure as to the results but will update later.

RupertsWife · 10-30-2009, 12:33 PM

Whew! I just read through this entire thread and have to comment and ask a question or two.
First of all, I totally agree with the idea of this working for porous head (of which I am a member). I however am definitely NOT a wavy and the last two posts discussing applying condish to DRY hair got me really thinking. When I do a DT I always apply to dry hair.

The comment about applying product/cond. to damp hair is interesting to me and I tend to agree with it. Last night, I decided to try Alexjoujou's recommendation for adding conditioner until no more frizz was seen (I used a LOT of conditioner) but no matter how much I added it kept frizzing. Eventually my hair started to dry out a bit and as it did and I kept applying conditioner I noticed that it seemed to be eliminating more frizz then when my hair was soaking wet.

I will try the spritz and condish method first because my hair is so porous that it just soaks everything up. Hair does need some water I assume as well as emollients.

One question for Del - Are you still sealing after with this method? For me, my hair poufs up something fierce if I don't seal with oil or shea butter. It is the only way I can retain curl definition for more than a few hours after dry. Are you saying that this method corrects that issue?

karen94132 · 10-30-2009, 03:13 PM

Del, I've been really intrigued by this post. While my hair isn't long, I have lots of it so anything to save drying time is appealing to me.

I've only been doing CG since July, so I'm still on the upside of the learning curve. I think my hair has a tendancy to be porous (I'm hoping to get a better idea about this next week when I get my Tiffany haircut along with the rest of the San Francisco brigage).

Getting the right amount of moisture in my hair to combat the frizz without weighing it down sounds great. I'll try this technique tomorrow and report back to everyone.

DEL2C · 10-30-2009, 04:41 PM

crazy curlz I don't think this will only work for wavies curlay girlay isn't a wavie

and it worked for her. Remember Tiffany's motto too, Curl Pattern isn't the most important thing when taking care of our hair. Texture & Porosity is KEY!

I haven't even tried sealing in the "true" sense with an Oil because I added CK back to the routine and it would be too much stuff in my hair. I plan to try it when my hair has had enough of CK when it gets colder. For me, CK probably does what sealing does for you in terms of keeping the POOF down.

A while back we had some discussion on what was the best way to DT. Dry hair or Wet hair. I'll never find that thread

I tried searching and I haven't been able to dig it up. What the conclusion was (as I recall) it's a matter of personal preference and possibly your hair type. I prefer to Spritz a bit first because I feel that the condish is absorbed better and it's easier to distribute then doing it on Dry Hair. There was also the issue of breakage when trying to spread it on dry hair.

karen go for it!

CurlayGirlay · 10-30-2009, 09:58 PM

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crazy curlz I don't think this will only work for wavies curlay girlay isn't a wavie

and it worked for her.

Nope, I'm a definite curly and this has worked wonders. Anyways...

Tried this method for the third time today, even though I didn't need a wash. I wanted to make sure it really works and I'm not dreaming

And once again it worked its magic and I'm having one of my best hair days ever! I got many many compliments today.

I'm one happy curly!

DEL2C · 10-31-2009, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by DEL2C

crazy curlz I don't think this will only work for wavies curlay girlay isn't a wavie

and it worked for her.

Nope, I'm a definite curly and this has worked wonders. Anyways...

Tried this method for the third time today, even though I didn't need a wash. I wanted to make sure it really works and I'm not dreaming

And once again it worked its magic and I'm having one of my best hair days ever! I got many many compliments today.

I'm one happy curly!

I'm so happy for you

I know this has made a huge difference for me too!!

Now again, this isn't a NEW idea in fact I'm pretty sure Tiffany's book suggests doing a DT this way sleeping on it then washing the next morning. Only difference is that there is no reason why this will only work for DT days. Do it as much as you want! In the Summer I was having to wash every day cuz of swimming and I never got OC'd.

DEL2C · 11-01-2009, 04:59 PM

Any updates girls?? I'm wondering how this might work for the non-porous. If it works for gals that aren't porous I'll have to edit my thread title

jlpmom23 · 11-01-2009, 05:08 PM

Well, I am porous but still wanted to chime in. Del, I feel like I should mail you a check or something to thank you for posting this! Tried it today, worked like a CHARM! There is no 2nd day hair in my world, I have to wet and style EVERY day. This method is going to save me a lot of time, I will def. be doing this several mornings per week.

What I liked best about this was how soft my hair was, my reduction of frizz, and the quicker drying time.

A general question about porosity: Does it increase in cold weather, or is your hair just as porous in winter as it was in summer? Mine seems to be worse, just wondered if the colder temps were playing a part in this.

Thanks again!!

DEL2C · 11-01-2009, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jlpmom23

Well, I am porous but still wanted to chime in. Del, I feel like I should mail you a check or something to thank you for posting this! Tried it today, worked like a CHARM! There is no 2nd day hair in my world, I have to wet and style EVERY day. This method is going to save me a lot of time, I will def. be doing this several mornings per week.

What I liked best about this was how soft my hair was, my reduction of frizz, and the quicker drying time.

A general question about porosity: Does it increase in cold weather, or is your hair just as porous in winter as it was in summer? Mine seems to be worse, just wondered if the colder temps were playing a part in this.

Thanks again!!

Being porous=picky hair. We tend to be more affected by ingredients, weather etc. more then the non-porous types. It could be with the cooler weather your hair is reacting by wanting more moisture rich products. More LI's, DT's and more TLC in general. Have you tried acidic rinses to help close the cuticle?

I'm glad this helped though!!! Definitely a time saver

angel29ish · 11-01-2009, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DEL2C

Any updates girls?? I'm wondering how this might work for the non-porous. If it works for gals that aren't porous I'll have to edit my thread title

This is something I am definitely going to try. I've been following this thread with the intention of giving it a go. Today was my protein and moisture DT day so will be trying later this week. I used to leave condish in overnight before CG and wash out in the morning and I liked it so, I'm predicting this is going to be

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DEL2C · 11-01-2009, 06:39 PM

OK this may have been the thread I had in mind when I said we had discussed this before. WW linked it on another thread for us.

ACV rinse after protein/DTs or before?

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As far as doing treatments on wet vs. dry hair: another basic principle with hair is that moisture attracts moisture. A wet substance will always be more attracted to another web substance than it is to a dry substance. You can manipulate this principle to your advantage as well, as long as you are mindful of the degree of moisture you are using.

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If, however, you VERY LIGHTLY mist your hair with water so that it is just this side of barely damp, the water mist will settle on the outside of your hair shaft and create a friendly environment for attracting another moist substance, and will help to carry it into the hair shaft. I do this all the time when I color hair and it can be an effective technique when apply a protein reconstructor or a deep treatment.

Now of course unless you become OC'd I see no reason why this principle can't be applied to co-washing as well. Especially if you're washing every couple days. I have not OC'd yet. It seems to me because you're absorbing a good amt. of condish prior to rinsing you don't need very much for a rinse out. With co-washing on very wet hair and then following with a rinse out, it's harder to gauge how much condish you actually need to get your hair effectively cleaned and hydrated. This theory works for me

rudeechick · 11-01-2009, 07:06 PM

Ok. I tried this twice and if I did it right, it didnt work for me as it does for you. I believe its just because I have so much damn hair - but maybe I did it wrong.
Just as a test, I did my regular, in shower co washing on a day in between to see the difference.

It seems my hair wont "take" the moisture from the condish unless it has been thoroughly wet down first. I dont know why, and again, I may have to keep trying, but both times I: 1) Had a VERY hard time working the condish into my hair (plus it took WAY MORE) and 2) My hair felt very dry once it was styled and dried, etc.

Can it be that some hair MUST be thoroughly wet to "accept" applied moisture??