Spritz and Condish Washing for Porous Types+Thirsty Curls Everywhere!

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rudee there is NO way you have more hair then me.

Well, your hair likes water otherwise your SSM wouldn't have been so successful. SSM wasn't good for me as you know. Not sure how other porous types did with the SSM? I think goober does it....and it works for her.

So YES it could be some hair must be thoroughly wet to "accept" condish.

I read this on the Natural Haven:
Coconut oil reduces swelling of the hair shaft when the hair is immersed into water

http://thenaturalhaven.blogspot.com/...-from-our.html


Now maybe for porous heads we're creating the same kind of effect by doing this with conditioner. This is a good thing because we're trying to keep our cuticle from swelling. For Non-porous they may need water to penetrate and get effective conditioning.
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I have to say, the only reason I do the spritz and condish, is for my porous parts. there would be no reason if I didn't have this picky weird top part that seemed to eat products. The whole rest of my head will be slick with product but my porous patch will be dry and frizzy. With the spritz and condish, its not as bad anymore. It seems to even that out.

My new hair growth seems to never get wet. I'll be doing my final rinse (after the spritz and condish) and my roots will still feel like dry cotton, squeaky clean almost. SooOoo I'm guessing that as my hair grows out I'm going to have to adapt my routine.

The water when I re-soak my hair seems to be the only thing that clumps my hair together. Product won't do it. I have to get my hair to the correct clumpage with water, then put the product on.
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Del this has been working wonders on my hair. I'm getting such consistent curls and much more definition. TY!!!!!!

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rudee there is NO way you have more hair then me.

Well, your hair likes water otherwise your SSM wouldn't have been so successful. SSM wasn't good for me as you know. Not sure how other porous types did with the SSM? I think goober does it....and it works for her.

So YES it could be some hair must be thoroughly wet to "accept" condish.

I read this on the Natural Haven:
Coconut oil reduces swelling of the hair shaft when the hair is immersed into water

http://thenaturalhaven.blogspot.com/...-from-our.html


Now maybe for porous heads we're creating the same kind of effect by doing this with conditioner. This is a good thing because we're trying to keep our cuticle from swelling. For Non-porous they may need water to penetrate and get effective conditioning.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
My hair does love coconut....
I have to say, the only reason I do the spritz and condish, is for my porous parts. there would be no reason if I didn't have this picky weird top part that seemed to eat products. The whole rest of my head will be slick with product but my porous patch will be dry and frizzy. With the spritz and condish, its not as bad anymore. It seems to even that out.

My new hair growth seems to never get wet. I'll be doing my final rinse (after the spritz and condish) and my roots will still feel like dry cotton, squeaky clean almost. SooOoo I'm guessing that as my hair grows out I'm going to have to adapt my routine.

The water when I re-soak my hair seems to be the only thing that clumps my hair together. Product won't do it. I have to get my hair to the correct clumpage with water, then put the product on.
Originally Posted by goobernut
wow, so you have, like both scenarios.....
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I tried this and I got 2nd day hair, great second day hair and I haven't been getting 2nd day hair...at all for a while. Thanks Del! Oh, and I am not porous. I also noticed on the Lustrasilk shea/mango cholesterol, like other "treatments" it says to apply to freshly washed hair that has been "towel dried"....which would mean that your hair would not be soaking wet. So I am definitely going to do this method to get more out of my conditioners.
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I tried this and I got 2nd day hair, great second day hair and I haven't been getting 2nd day hair...at all for a while. Thanks Del! Oh, and I am not porous. I also noticed on the Lustrasilk shea/mango cholesterol, like other "treatments" it says to apply to freshly washed hair that has been "towel dried"....which would mean that your hair would not be soaking wet. So I am definitely going to do this method to get more out of my conditioners.
Originally Posted by curlykey
Well there goes my theory of this not working on Med Porous heads

Maybe rudee is Low/Med porosity?

YAY for 2nd hair curlykey!
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2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

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I tried this and I got 2nd day hair, great second day hair and I haven't been getting 2nd day hair...at all for a while. Thanks Del! Oh, and I am not porous. I also noticed on the Lustrasilk shea/mango cholesterol, like other "treatments" it says to apply to freshly washed hair that has been "towel dried"....which would mean that your hair would not be soaking wet. So I am definitely going to do this method to get more out of my conditioners.
Originally Posted by curlykey
Well there goes my theory of this not working on Med Porous heads

Maybe rudee is Low/Med porosity?

YAY for 2nd hair curlykey!
Originally Posted by DEL2C
You know, it occurred to me this AM that I should likely retest for porosity/texture, etc - seeing as my hair has changed drastically in the past year.

But Del, answer this science question: I get the premise behind why this would work for porous hair. What would be the most likely reason one would NEED to fully saturate their hair in order for it to accept product....?
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But Del, answer this science question: I get the premise behind why this would work for porous hair. What would be the most likely reason one would NEED to fully saturate their hair in order for it to accept product....?
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If you think about it, porous heads absorb too much, so generally we need more product then a low or med porous type. It stands to reason that the lower porous types need to wet more & open the hair shaft to allow product to soak in otherwise the product sits on top. This would explain why you love the SSM and you use such small amounts of product.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
But Del, answer this science question: I get the premise behind why this would work for porous hair. What would be the most likely reason one would NEED to fully saturate their hair in order for it to accept product....?
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If you think about it, porous heads absorb too much, so generally we need more product then a low or med porous type. It stands to reason that the lower porous types need to wet more & open the hair shaft to allow product to soak in otherwise the product sits on top. This would explain why you love the SSM and you use such small amounts of product.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
Wow - excellent point- that never would have occured to me!!! I always found it curious that less is more with me, despite the fact that I have so much damn hair....
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Ok, so I tried this is morning. The results are...interesting.

I used some Nature's Gate as my "pre-shower" condish, and laid it on thick after some spritzing (I'm trying to use this condish up as I don't like it). I let it sit for about 5 minutes, then scrubbed my scalp with my fingers then my scalp brush, basically co-washing before my shower.

Then I got in, wet my hair just a little more, added some White Rain (again, just using this up) and finished co-washing since I didn't feel "clean" enough before. Lightly rinsed (about 75% condish still in there), added my rinse out, then let it sit while I detangled. Rinsed fully and got out.

Now here's what's odd: my hair was drying so fast that it wasn't the drippy mess it usually is when I apply products (immediately out of the shower). It was about as dry as my hair gets maybe 40 minutes out of the shower! Needless to say, I was quite worried, because I know by now that my hair loves to be VERY wet when I add product.

I used KBB mask as my leave-in (it's my ONLY good condish right now!), then Boots and coco oil to seal because the Midwest air is dry dry DRY! By this point, my hair wasn't dripping even a tiny bit! It was just very very damp.

A little finger styling and I was out the door. It's been two hours since I added product; and my hair feels like it's been maybe 3.5 or even 4!!

Pros: HUGE cut in dry time!, faster shower (because I co-wash outside for the most part, plus I don't let the rinse-out sit as long since I did my "pre-poo")

Cons: so far...none. My curls are skinnier than usual, but I can probably fix that by adding my products in the shower (usually I turn off the water, towel off, get dressed, then go do the products).

I LOVE YOU DEL! I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!

But...seeing that my hair loves more water than it apparently got with this method (based on how I clump more with more water), maybe I'm less porous than I thought? I'm definitely not "low porosity," but maybe less porous than what I thought? But I still use a lot of product, without ANY producty feeling (if I'm using products I like)...

How exciting.
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Last edited by onethousandcurls; 11-03-2009 at 08:44 PM.
First of all, I don't know what I'm doing, so my mixed results may be my own confusion! The first time, I tried it as close to DEL's instructions as possible. It took almost 20 minutes to spritz. I have a LOT of hair and my mister may be too stingy with volume of spray. I used GVP CB (which is new for me) and a lot of LOOC as LI to smooth out frizz so my hair ended up producty but did dry a little quicker. GVP may not be heavy enough and I probably shouldn't have tried so many new things at once.

The second time, I modified the idea. I lightly wet hair under the faucet and put on DT overnight. In the morning, I used the DT as co-wash, added an ACV rinse, then applied the usual. My hair was dripping wet and it's drying quicker than normal! There's still frizz, but that may just be my hair. I'm happy with baby steps! Thanks for the idea DEL!!
Coarse, thiiiick, porous, drrrry, 2c, dislikes proteins, likes ACV!
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Last edited by mushroom_head; 11-03-2009 at 11:36 AM.
I tried this Sunday am and it worked really well for me.

I used the opportunity to do a protein DT as the first applied product to very damp hair.

I let it sit for 20 minutes then got in the shower, rinsed a little bit; scrubbed my scalp with lo'poo and rinsed completely and then used a mild ACV rinse. I added a teeny bit of moisturising RO and then plopped for a couple of minutes before I added my LI.

Results: drying time- cut down by at least 50% maybe more. My very porous hair usually takes between 6-8 hours to air dry with sufficient product to keep down the frizz and poof. Hair was completely dry by the 3-4 hour mark.

My waves/curls were much more defined and there was less frizz. I got a compliment from almost everybody I know that day, which never usually happens.

So I think I need to use more LI possibly mixed with CK to add hold and maybe this will be my new routine. I couldn't get 2nd day hair because I don't think I used enough LI and I had very light floaty dandelion fluff hair the next morning.

I'm getting some of the damaged parts cut off Wed. (about 6 inches) so we'll see if this can make my hair even better over the next few days...here's hoping.

Del2C; I'm so glad you posted this method as I think it's been the secret I've been looking for. I'm almost pleased with my hair for the first time since January. I'm hoping for better things after my hair cut.
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I'm definitely trying this tonight. I'll let you know how it goes.
2A (fine hair but a lot of it), High Porosity
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
Rinse: L'oreal Vive Pro Nutrigloss (without cones)
Leave-in: Healthy Sexy Hair Pumpkin Potion
Gel: HETT and HETMS spray gel
Occasionally: Nexuss Emergencee protein treatment and Naked Naturals Smoothing Low Poo
This is great I'm trying it for a second time and wow my hair feels so hydrated and soft.

I have dry hair and live in a year round dry place Yikes!

I have pre pooed with Oil before, But I like this 10x better!!!

Spritizing my hair before I apply the pre-poo/conditioner really makes all the difference.

Today I applied a mix of yogurt,coconut oil,hibiscus, and Trade Joes N&S with plastic cap and a knit cap. ( to hide the plastic & warm things up a bit).

After I washed today, my hair felt soft & moist!!!!
I apply my conditioner as usual, but wow, can I tell the diff. THIS IS A MUST FOR POROUS/ DRY HEADS
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Thanks Del for this wonderful thread. I'm super porous and will try this tonight. My DH is not porous and I will make him try it also to see if it will work with low porosity hair. We both have a ton of frizz lately and maybe this will help alleviate that. Will post results. I'm so excited .
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FRIZZLY and Curly J I'm so glad this is a GO! belasuna I was hoping you would give this a whirl keeping my fingers crossed
It took almost 20 minutes to spritz. I have a LOT of hair and my mister may be too stingy with volume of spray. I used GVP CB (which is new for me) and a lot of LOOC as LI to smooth out frizz so my hair ended up producty but did dry a little quicker. GVP may not be heavy enough and I probably shouldn't have tried so many new things at once.
Mushroom you need a new spritzer. I got mine at Walmart in the trial sizes. It gives a heavy spray to wet quickly I spend maybe 2-3 mins! Believe me I have A TON of thick coarse hair.

Gen uses GVP I never have for the spritz part but I've used a little GVP as needed for a rinse out. Maybe try a different condish? Make sure you use some for a rinse out if you're at all hesitant of how your hair feels. If I'm not 100% it has enough slip I add just a teaspoon or less and it makes all the difference.
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.

I read this on the Natural Haven:
Coconut oil reduces swelling of the hair shaft when the hair is immersed into water

http://thenaturalhaven.blogspot.com/...-from-our.html


Now maybe for porous heads we're creating the same kind of effect by doing this with conditioner. This is a good thing because we're trying to keep our cuticle from swelling. For Non-porous they may need water to penetrate and get effective conditioning.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
First post ... had to reply that I will be trying this S/C method. Yesterday I planned to touch up my roots, so after reading on the color board about using coconut oil before coloring hair, I always use that method lately... so I slather coconut all over, wait bout an hour then proceed to touch up with hair color, rinse it out, then used ocean breeze to co-wash... left it on about 15 minutes to make sure it takes care of the oil, rinsed and applied Natures Gate, rinsed and did a ACV rinse... blotted and applied FSG... I got beautiful soft defined waves... bouncy! A bit of frizz though, so no point in working it out cuz I was on my way to bed... point here being that it all makes sense now, I am porous, and never would have thought that how much water gets in the hair shaft could make any kind of difference, that's why I'm just LOVING this board, you take working with hair to a whole other level! Thank you Del.

Tricia
Wow. I love this method. I have less frizz and my curls are tighter.

Here's what I did. Spritzed hair until damp. Scrunched in GVCB upside down. Left in about five minutes. Got in shower. Stuck my head under the water but not enough to rinse out all the conditioner. Added some Naked Naturals Low Poo to roots only. Used a little more conditioner to comb everything out with my fingers and did icequeen method like I usually do. Added gel. Plopped for 30 minutes and slept in a pineapple.

Sounds complicated, but it really wasn't. I'll try to add pictures later. Thanks!
2A (fine hair but a lot of it), High Porosity
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
Rinse: L'oreal Vive Pro Nutrigloss (without cones)
Leave-in: Healthy Sexy Hair Pumpkin Potion
Gel: HETT and HETMS spray gel
Occasionally: Nexuss Emergencee protein treatment and Naked Naturals Smoothing Low Poo
The first photo is today after doing this method. The second is yesterday without this method . It's kind of hard to tell, but I have less frizz today.
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2A (fine hair but a lot of it), High Porosity
Co-wash: Suave Naturals Coconut
Rinse: L'oreal Vive Pro Nutrigloss (without cones)
Leave-in: Healthy Sexy Hair Pumpkin Potion
Gel: HETT and HETMS spray gel
Occasionally: Nexuss Emergencee protein treatment and Naked Naturals Smoothing Low Poo
The first photo is today after doing this method. The second is yesterday without this method . It's kind of hard to tell, but I have less frizz today.
Originally Posted by motleyjm
BEAUTIFUL I think the 1st pic looks more natural and flowy!!! Time to change the avie..

YAY!!!!!!
Discovered CG 2007

2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.

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