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Old 11-04-2009, 12:05 PM   #101
 
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I read this on the Natural Haven:
Coconut oil reduces swelling of the hair shaft when the hair is immersed into water

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Now maybe for porous heads we're creating the same kind of effect by doing this with conditioner. This is a good thing because we're trying to keep our cuticle from swelling. For Non-porous they may need water to penetrate and get effective conditioning.
First post ... had to reply that I will be trying this S/C method. Yesterday I planned to touch up my roots, so after reading on the color board about using coconut oil before coloring hair, I always use that method lately... so I slather coconut all over, wait bout an hour then proceed to touch up with hair color, rinse it out, then used ocean breeze to co-wash... left it on about 15 minutes to make sure it takes care of the oil, rinsed and applied Natures Gate, rinsed and did a ACV rinse... blotted and applied FSG... I got beautiful soft defined waves... bouncy! A bit of frizz though, so no point in working it out cuz I was on my way to bed... point here being that it all makes sense now, I am porous, and never would have thought that how much water gets in the hair shaft could make any kind of difference, that's why I'm just LOVING this board, you take working with hair to a whole other level! Thank you Del.

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As others have mentioned, this drastically cut drying time. I can see the value in it if I need to wash and go and be out the door quickly! It wasn't my best hair, but it wasn't bad either. Just not something my hair can take everyday.

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It stands to reason that the lower porous types need to wet more & open the hair shaft to allow product to soak in otherwise the product sits on top. This would explain why you love the SSM and you use such small amounts of product.
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Wow - excellent point- that never would have occured to me!!! I always found it curious that less is more with me, despite the fact that I have so much damn hair....
Yep yep yep! Matter of fact I was re-reviewing (is that a word? ) your SSM yesterday! I use different products, but the addition of water with those products (especially Eco Styler) is imperative for them to work correctly.

This would also explain why oils work better on my hair if it is thoroughly soaked first. And only on the oldest and/or finest parts of my hair. Otherwise, oil slick!
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So Del2C and everybody else, I'm still loving the Spritz and Condish. It's now the only way I will wash my hair.

However, I have to say I went into my hair appointment yesterday with huge puffy undefined hair as the salon-Curly Hair Solutions in Toronto(Jonathan Torch) suggests you go in with completely natural hair(no products) so they can see how your hair behaves when left alone. Needless to say, I looked a wreck most of the day...anyway, So I go in with my 2C wavie/frizzly hair hoping they could do something with it and GUESS WHAT??? I came out with SOMEBODY ELSE'S HAIR!!!!

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Pictures 2-4 are after my haircut yesterday. am I still a waivie?....what do you think?
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WOW at how your hair tightened! And I'm SO envious of those BIG botticelli type spirals! Gorgeous!
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Oooops, I can't read, I thought you said "lightened" not "tightened".

Yeah, it really went "BOING". I had no idea that was possible.

My hair is really none of those colours that show up like that. It's a light to med. brown with just a hint of gold or red in different places.

I just couldn't get my hair colour to come out properly when editing my photos so these are the closest I could get. The pictures with less yellow in the background are more accurate in regards to my actual colour.

But, thanks for the compliment!
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As others have mentioned, this drastically cut drying time. I can see the value in it if I need to wash and go and be out the door quickly! It wasn't my best hair, but it wasn't bad either. Just not something my hair can take everyday.

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Wow - excellent point- that never would have occured to me!!! I always found it curious that less is more with me, despite the fact that I have so much damn hair....
Yep yep yep! Matter of fact I was re-reviewing (is that a word? ) your SSM yesterday! I use different products, but the addition of water with those products (especially Eco Styler) is imperative for them to work correctly.

This would also explain why oils work better on my hair if it is thoroughly soaked first. And only on the oldest and/or finest parts of my hair. Otherwise, oil slick!
peaches why wouldn't your hair be able to "take" this everyday? Could you elaborate on that Also, what is your porosity?

Frizzly your looks very pretty! You look curlier for sure after getting a cut. Great length for you!
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Now I am confused. I reread alot of the porosity info - I dont appear to be low porousity - I still think I a Med/normal.....

Anyway, glad this is helping most of us anyway!
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peaches why wouldn't your hair be able to "take" this everyday? Could you elaborate on that Also, what is your porosity?
Funny you ask, my porosity has been crazy and THAT is why I came on this thread the first time! To try to figure out what my hair wants!

Normally I'm low to low-normal, and depending on damage (whatever heat appliances I was using and how often) the ends are higher porosity. I've only been doing CG for a shirt time now, and for the most part I was just going to have to grow the damage out until I started experimenting with protein (my hair went years without PTs...cones hide a lot) and I tried a protein treatment that goes in your colorant. OMG, my ends went from normal to low! As time rocked along since I colored, my hair went from fab to dry. It takes a lot of effort now to get the hair wet with water. I tried just adding moisture my normal way, but everything kept sitting on top of the hair. After some experimentation I figured out how to get some moisture in my hair, but it needs to be done on a regular basis. I noticed when I did the spritz and condish, my hair was drier overall. How I'm losing moisture throughout the day I don't know!

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Now I am confused. I reread alot of the porosity info...
It may be *me* that's confused. My hair is super slick, very hard to take and keep color (except for damaged ends), right now the protein according to the strand test is perfect, and I have to be careful right now what I use for moisture because it seems to sit on my hair rather than fully absorb.

As far as styling products and water, maybe that's just a artifact of certain styling products to need more water?
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Dang it! I had such good results with this the first day. I did what I think is the exact same thing last night and my hair is a mess today. It's stringy and not clumpy. Any ideas on what I did wrong? I usually cowash every day, but maybe using that much GV CB two days in a row is too much. Maybe I didn't get it all rinsed out. Please help!
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Update: so yesterday when I tried this I got not-so-fab hair, but not horrible either. Less clumpy, for sure, like motleyjm up there.

And my second day was really dried out, like someone else up there mentioned (peaches?).

What can this mean? Am I even LESS porous, as in possibly...MEDIUM porosity? Has my whole CG life been a LIE?
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It may be *me* that's confused. My hair is super slick, very hard to take and keep color (except for damaged ends), right now the protein according to the strand test is perfect, and I have to be careful right now what I use for moisture because it seems to sit on my hair rather than fully absorb.

As far as styling products and water, maybe that's just a artifact of certain styling products to need more water?
To me your hair sounds more on the low porosity side. ITA with the theory of products requiring different amounts of water

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Update: so yesterday when I tried this I got not-so-fab hair, but not horrible either. Less clumpy, for sure, like motleyjm up there.

And my second day was really dried out, like someone else up there mentioned (peaches?).

What can this mean? Am I even LESS porous, as in possibly...MEDIUM porosity? Has my whole CG life been a LIE?
You crack me up! I had the same experience as you though using this method. I had pretty dry hair too. Mine was so light and fluffy too (not enough product). I did a Nexxus Emergencee treatment on Monday and my hair Loved it so I'm still convinced that I am porous, but maybe not as porous as I thought.
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Dang it! I had such good results with this the first day. I did what I think is the exact same thing last night and my hair is a mess today. It's stringy and not clumpy. Any ideas on what I did wrong? I usually cowash every day, but maybe using that much GV CB two days in a row is too much. Maybe I didn't get it all rinsed out. Please help!
My first guess is that GVP is too much for your fine hair that often. curlyjenn is coarse and she uses it but only a couple times a week. I think I already mentioned that I haven't tried the S&C with GVP yet. I actually like GVP in the Colder months it's pretty heavy for me.

OTC-nothing but lies from Day 1 with you I wouldn't be surprised if you aren't actually porous after your BC.

crazycurlz-What condish did you use? If you were light and fluffy it almost sounds like OC'd. I wonder if you went too heavy with your condish? I have done this myself but it's usually the final rinse that I've goofed up and added too much or I've used too much LI. I've found that with the dryer weather we're having I've been needing to add that little bit at the end for my final rinse out but it's only about a nickel size at the most. In the Summer early Fall my hair didn't need it but it seems to now. I imagine with Winter ahead I may have to adjust that again too. Keep playing with it girls!!
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Dang it! I had such good results with this the first day. I did what I think is the exact same thing last night and my hair is a mess today. It's stringy and not clumpy. Any ideas on what I did wrong? I usually cowash every day, but maybe using that much GV CB two days in a row is too much. Maybe I didn't get it all rinsed out. Please help!
My first guess is that GVP is too much for your fine hair that often. curlyjenn is coarse and she uses it but only a couple times a week. I think I already mentioned that I haven't tried the S&C with GVP yet. I actually like GVP in the Colder months it's pretty heavy for me.
I have a feeling you're right. Are there any good conditioners for this that are heavier than a suave or VO5 and lighter than a GVP that I can get at Target or Ulta? Sorry if you've already mentioned this earlier in the thread. I could have missed it. Thanks!
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Dang it! I had such good results with this the first day. I did what I think is the exact same thing last night and my hair is a mess today. It's stringy and not clumpy. Any ideas on what I did wrong? I usually cowash every day, but maybe using that much GV CB two days in a row is too much. Maybe I didn't get it all rinsed out. Please help!
My first guess is that GVP is too much for your fine hair that often. curlyjenn is coarse and she uses it but only a couple times a week. I think I already mentioned that I haven't tried the S&C with GVP yet. I actually like GVP in the Colder months it's pretty heavy for me.
I have a feeling you're right. Are there any good conditioners for this that are heavier than a suave or VO5 and lighter than a GVP that I can get at Target or Ulta? Sorry if you've already mentioned this earlier in the thread. I could have missed it. Thanks!
You may want to try it with one of your Suaves if you've done well with them before? I don't think they supply enough moisture but you never know! Your hair is fine you may be OK with it. LVPNG works great and I really like Aura Cherry Almond Bark which you can get at Sally's. I'm hearing good things about Garnier Triple Nutrition but I haven't tried it myself.
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I had an irritating phone call and then had to run out the door, so I'm sorry if I wasn't clear DEL2C! I guess what I mean is that my hair needs quenching with moisture lately, and if the hair shaft is not soaked then the moisture can't get into the hair shaft. It just sits on it instead. How my hair is losing moisture throughout the day, I don't know. When I first started the CG journey my hair got OC'ed really easily. I finally got the moisture and protein balanced OK with this product: http://www.sallybeauty.com/Neutral-P...efault,pd.html. About 4-5 days after that, my hair went dry. I can't get it to take moisture as well, and it's not holding it. Totally weird.

Does that help explain it better? Clear as mud now? Me too. Again I think I'll like the method for occasional use when my hair is balanced.

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That's what I had been thinking, that my hair dropped in porosity after the last coloring with the protein treatment I linked above. It's the first time I ever used this stuff, and while it worked to deliver the protein, my hair went weird on me! My ends started acting like my roots, which I'm sure are more low to low-normal porosity. I'm just now getting it act more reasonable and try to hold onto some moisture.

As far as products, overall I do better with soaking wet hair and products, just that some products demand soaking wet hair to work at all for me.

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Update: so yesterday when I tried this I got not-so-fab hair, but not horrible either. Less clumpy, for sure, like motleyjm up there.

And my second day was really dried out, like someone else up there mentioned (peaches?).

What can this mean? Am I even LESS porous, as in possibly...MEDIUM porosity? Has my whole CG life been a LIE?
You crack me up! I had the same experience as you though using this method. I had pretty dry hair too. Mine was so light and fluffy too (not enough product). I did a Nexxus Emergencee treatment on Monday and my hair Loved it so I'm still convinced that I am porous, but maybe not as porous as I thought.
LOL at "Has my whole CG life been a LIE?"

Is it possible that the Emergencee treatment changed your porosity, crazycurlz?
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I had an irritating phone call and then had to run out the door, so I'm sorry if I wasn't clear DEL2C! I guess what I mean is that my hair needs quenching with moisture lately, and if the hair shaft is not soaked then the moisture can't get into the hair shaft. It just sits on it instead. How my hair is losing moisture throughout the day, I don't know. When I first started the CG journey my hair got OC'ed really easily. I finally got the moisture and protein balanced OK with this product: http://www.sallybeauty.com/Neutral-P...efault,pd.html. About 4-5 days after that, my hair went dry. I can't get it to take moisture as well, and it's not holding it. Totally weird.

Does that help explain it better? Clear as mud now? Me too. Again I think I'll like the method for occasional use when my hair is balanced.

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To me your hair sounds more on the low porosity side. ITA with the theory of products requiring different amounts of water
That's what I had been thinking, that my hair dropped in porosity after the last coloring with the protein treatment I linked above. It's the first time I ever used this stuff, and while it worked to deliver the protein, my hair went weird on me! My ends started acting like my roots, which I'm sure are more low to low-normal porosity. I'm just now getting it act more reasonable and try to hold onto some moisture.

As far as products, overall I do better with soaking wet hair and products, just that some products demand soaking wet hair to work at all for me.

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Update: so yesterday when I tried this I got not-so-fab hair, but not horrible either. Less clumpy, for sure, like motleyjm up there.

And my second day was really dried out, like someone else up there mentioned (peaches?).

What can this mean? Am I even LESS porous, as in possibly...MEDIUM porosity? Has my whole CG life been a LIE?
You crack me up! I had the same experience as you though using this method. I had pretty dry hair too. Mine was so light and fluffy too (not enough product). I did a Nexxus Emergencee treatment on Monday and my hair Loved it so I'm still convinced that I am porous, but maybe not as porous as I thought.
LOL at "Has my whole CG life been a LIE?"

Is it possible that the Emergencee treatment changed your porosity, crazycurlz?
Hi Peaches, I think it most definitely did help with my porosity issues. My hair has much less poof and actually I don't need to load up the products and feel weighed down just to keep my hair from poofing (can you tell I really dislike poof?) I think I will have to do another one in two weeks to keep it up. I generally would think with the porosity of my hair naturally it would really accept the protein but my mix of fine and coarse hairs makes the coarse hairs really rebel if I go overboard with the protein.


On another note to DEL - I have been using so much conditioner because this whole time I thought I was really dried out that it wasn't until I tried the protein treatment that I realized I might have actually been OC'd. I have lightened up on the amounts of conditioner and am currently using GVP CB (two quarter sizes) as a rinse out and Giovanni DLI (about a quarter size) as a leave in. I am able to get decent hold with two dime sized drops of HESMU which I have NEVER gotten hold with because it would always poof. I also love LVPNG but can't find it anywhere lately . Next time I find it I'm buying 3 bottles just so I don't run out again.
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Old 11-06-2009, 05:56 AM   #118
 
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curlyjenn just blogged about the Spritz & Condish

Thanks Jenn!! You girls may want to take a look!
http://collegecurly.blogspot.com/200...on-method.html
She has got a great blog! You're famous now, DEL2C!

Oooooohhh...curlyjenn may have the pineapple for me! You'd think with the "work out" I get while sleeping that I'd be thinner...

crazycurls, maybe try Rite Aid for LVPNG? It's the only place in my town that has it.
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Old 11-07-2009, 02:58 AM   #119
 
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can i just check i have this right? first you spritz hair with water only. then add condish and leave it in for however long. jump in the shower. Then (this is the part i'm not sure about) add co wash to the scalp and scrub. Then rinse all of it out?? Also after spritzing with water do you add the condish root to tip? or leave out the roots?
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Old 11-07-2009, 09:09 AM   #120
 
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can i just check i have this right? first you spritz hair with water only. then add condish and leave it in for however long. jump in the shower. Then (this is the part i'm not sure about) add co wash to the scalp and scrub. Then rinse all of it out?? Also after spritzing with water do you add the condish root to tip? or leave out the roots?
jenn does it a little different then I do she co-washes in the shower with add'l condish. I don't need to, I prefer to rinse it all out and apply extra condish to my ends and scrunch. I do apply from root to tip the way it shows in the CG handbook and like I explained to Pops in POST #56.
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