Spritz and Condish Washing for Porous Types+Thirsty Curls Everywhere!

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ETA: Del, I think you're right about SSM and S&C working for different people. SSM didn't work for me at all.
Originally Posted by lizzlebelizzle
I agree. SSM didn't work for me at all. It made my hair a big poofy mess - too much water swelled my hair.
Ok, so I tried this AGAIN - there must be something I'm not getting. I canNOT get conditioner thru my mass of hair when it is not "WET". Its just wont disperse, I need tons and my hair gets all tangly in the process.

What gives? I would like to see if this works or not!
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Are you needing the water to distribute the condish evenly, or to get your hair cuticle to open up and absorb the condish?

I had the tangles too initially, and what eventually worked for me is similar to my modifications to your SSM method. First I use more water than the porous folks do, and then I squish and scrunch the condish into the hair with my hands, and end up squishing and scrunching the excess water out. Might be worth a try?
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Ok, so I tried this AGAIN - there must be something I'm not getting. I canNOT get conditioner thru my mass of hair when it is not "WET". Its just wont disperse, I need tons and my hair gets all tangly in the process.

What gives? I would like to see if this works or not!
Originally Posted by rudeechick
Are you needing the water to distribute the condish evenly, or to get your hair cuticle to open up and absorb the condish?

I had the tangles too initially, and what eventually worked for me is similar to my modifications to your SSM method. First I use more water than the porous folks do, and then I squish and scrunch the condish into the hair with my hands, and end up squishing and scrunching the excess water out. Might be worth a try?
Originally Posted by peaches1975
I think its just the sheer density of my hair, in conjunction with the texture. Its impenetrable until I 'bring down' the volume by soaking it.
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I wanted to add to this interesting thread with my own version of this Spritz Wash.
My scalp reacted to some product I tried , so I needed to use some medicated shampoo. I didn't want to wreck my nice curl pattern, so I did this:
1.Spritz hair all over with water from spray bottle
until well dampened.
2.Apply shampoo to fingertips and massage scalp, keeping the fingers near the scalp so as not to "scramble" the hair.Don't rinse yet!
3. Distribute palmsfull of Garnier Fructis Triple Nutrition throughout length, finger comb through, detangle with wide tooth comb
4.Make Coffee (10 minutes or so) while the shampoo and conditioner do their thing
5.Rinse, wet scrunch, scrunch a bit with microfiber towel
6.Scrunch in FSG upside down
7.Clip, Twizzle, Skipcurl, Style
8.Sit under the bonnet dryer while I write this (15-20 min.)
9.Remove clips, fluff the roots

Might I add that I do not use the shower during this
process. Since my skin is sensitive and I don't like to get hair products on my body, I rinse in my utility sink.(not sure this matters, but it does involve your head pointing downward)
I love how its coming out now(see avatar)
not sure this matters, but it does involve your head pointing downward
It sure does matter! I get better root curl (I need all the help I can get in this Dept ) doing it upside down. Since I don't have any allergies I like to do the POO in the shower so I can really work in the Low Poo and use water to dilute it well.

Glad this is working out for you too!
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I've been doing the Spritz & Condish for about two weeks now and I wanted to post some visual results. I've also been using the Ion Hard Hat Dryer about 2-3 times a week and I think this is also helping by softening my hair and eliminating frizz. In the pic, my only styler has been a leave in after the S&C. I've been doing the leave in only for about 1 week and my hair seems to like it. I hope this inspires some of those with real difficult hair like mine to keep trying this technique that Del so graciously shared with us all.
The 1st photo is my old frizzy hair. The 2nd is Spritz & Condish with LI Styler.

edit: no need to say it, as the result speaks for itself...I'm lovin it!
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Last edited by belasuna; 11-20-2009 at 12:04 PM.
I've been doing the Spritz & Condish for about two weeks now and I wanted to post some visual results. I've also been using the Ion Hard Hat Dryer about 2-3 times a week and I think this is also helping by softening my hair and eliminating frizz. In the pic, my only styler has been a leave in after the S&C. I've been doing the leave in only for about 1 week and my hair seems to like it. I hope this inspires some of those with real difficult hair like mine to keep trying this technique that Del so graciously shared with us all.
The 1st photo is my old frizzy hair. The 2nd is Spritz & Condish with LI Styler.

edit: no need to say it, as the result speaks for itself...I'm lovin it!
Originally Posted by belasuna
AWWW this is makes me so happy
your hair looks beautiful! I definitely consider myself to have difficult hair as well & this has made such a huge difference for me. It is great to see it working on so many others!!!!! YAY for better hair days!!!!
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2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

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I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

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CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
This has been an interesting thread.

I didn't try this out before because it seemed to take longer overall with the whole spritz thing.

But, I woke up earlier than normal this morning. I've had my hair up all week because I'm out of Knot Today (it should arrive on Monday) and my hair isn't quite the same without it. I knew I'd have a ton of knots from a week of updos, so I figured that this couldn't hurt.

I spritzed until my hair was damp enough to get to waist length. It's low BSL dry and between hip and tailbone when fully wet, so I figured that waist length was sort of a halfway point. I used about a palmful of AOWC on each side of my head and let it site while I played around here and on Facebook. I didn't work out any knots at that point. I just squished a bunch of conditioner in until it seemed to feel OK.

I then got in the shower and started to rinse. I'm a right-side-up rinser. I get too tangly at this length upside down, and I am happy with my volume and curl pattern as is anyway.

My hair did feel pretty decent, and there were a lot fewer knots than there should have been considering the hair neglect I've been doing this week. I did do a follow on conditioning with Joico Reconstruct since it's the thinnest on I have and it took care of the rest of the knots.

I then went about my normal routine and am now sitting with dripping hair awaiting results. I doubt it will dry before I go to work, so I'll let you know tomorrow how it all turns out.

I can't judge it properly today since I have no KCKT, but, on the upside, I can't tell that this method didn't suck on em so far, lol.

I do think that if I try it for a longer time, I will still use a follow-on conditioner. My hair just prefers being double dipped. I should try it for a week or two to be fair - once the KCKT gets here.
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I do think that if I try it for a longer time, I will still use a follow-on conditioner. My hair just prefers being double dipped. I should try it for a week or two to be fair - once the KCKT gets here.

YAY RCC! I've been patiently waiting for you to give this a try!!!

I had mentioned with the cooler weather I've been double dipping myself. I suppose you could stick your head under the tub faucet for just a bit and srunch instead of spritzing? Not sure if this will increase the tangles though.... Did it take forever to spritz?? You gotta have a good bottle that squirts with some force not a wimpy spray.

Even without your KCKT I'm very curious how this will turn out for you!
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2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
I do think that if I try it for a longer time, I will still use a follow-on conditioner. My hair just prefers being double dipped. I should try it for a week or two to be fair - once the KCKT gets here.

YAY RCC! I've been patiently waiting for you to give this a try!!!

I had mentioned with the cooler weather I've been double dipping myself. I suppose you could stick your head under the tub faucet for just a bit and srunch instead of spritzing? Not sure if this will increase the tangles though.... Did it take forever to spritz?? You gotta have a good bottle that squirts with some force not a wimpy spray.

Even without your KCKT I'm very curious how this will turn out for you!
Originally Posted by DEL2C
I have a heavy duty bottle, lol. It's actually an empty bottle of the sanitizer I use on the food counter at work. I cleaned the bejeezus out of it and let it air for a few weeks before I used it for a water sprayer. It does have a lot of force behind it. It only took 2-3 minutes to get my hair wet enough to get to waist length.

It seems to be drying well so far. All I have are some paintbrush ends (which are not uncommon in coarse haired folks) where I may not have sealed well, or I may just be due for a trim since it's been about a year. But, I was having those for the last week or so anyway.

Considering my lack of KCKT, it actually looks quite good right now. The definition seems to be a bit better than normal. Curl pattern and volume seem about the same so far. The definition is just better: fewer flyaway single hairs between the curls. But, I am happy with my regular curl pattern and volume so if there are no changes there that is fine. I wold love to see fewer flyaway hairs. My hair is pretty decent overall usually, but it does tend to get those flyaways.

I was generous with the KCCC today so I don't expect a difference in drying time. Work will be a b**** today (Saturday before Thanksgiving at Trader Joe's is *very* busy) and I have a date after work so I wanted enough KCCC to get me through the day/night.
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Oooh, hope your date goes well (assuming it's the first)! I hope your hair behaves for it, too.



Ok, Del and RCC, I need some help. I tried the Spritz and Condish for some time, and it does dry a little faster (although never as fast as my reported first try in an earlier post on this thread). But my curls are skinnier (I don't really have very fat curls anyway, but they're about as big as RCC's and I'd like to keep them that way). My hair was soft, too.

But, I think I really prefer the way my hair looks and feels when I do my typical routine, which involves a longer dry time and involves much more water (no pre-poo to displace the shower water).

Does this indicate something about my texture and/or porosity? Mostly porosity? I used to think I was really porous, but I think I based that a lot on dryness (and why sealing with oil works so well for me).

I guess I could try Rudee's method, assuming that success will point to lower porosity. But that's a lot of work...
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Nah, not the first date. We've been dating about 6 weeks, but I'm still full on into the whole flood of endorphins and hormones that accompany such things. But, he really likes my hair and he likes to pluck a curl now and again so I'd like them to be presentable. He's 3Bish too, so it's nice.

As for the porosity thing - good question, but I don't have an answer.

This is my first time trying it, so I will see how the curl size progresses throughout the day.

Are you using your stylers differently? You may have mentioned it, but I've lost some details in the size of this thread.

You could try SSM to see if it works any better for you. It at least seems to help with clumping for those who have success with it. Or, you could do a heavier spritz to get more water to see if that makes a difference.
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RCC 2-3 mins to spritz is not bad at all! Sounds like you got yourself a good sprayer

Better definition, fewer flyaways it all sounds good!!!

Now we wait for the final assessment after your HAWT date

OTC-You may not be porous you may be Low-Med or Med so your hair is happy with more water most likely. If you're closer to Med you may be able to swing either way. You just have to experiment is all!
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2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
It held up really well during the day, and it kept the definition. It also dried less crunchy even though I was quite generous with the KCCC. Work was *insane* yesterday so just the fact that I made it through such a crazy hectic day (and my last two hours getting pretty sweaty with the physical labor of unloading big pallets of food quickly) says something for the method.

I did have one chunk on the canopy right in the middle of the back of my head that got poofy. Considering its location, I probably just wasn't diligent about applying the original conditioner.

But, that is the best my hair has looked while I'm missing my KCKT. I am so dependent on that stuff lol.

And, considering that I wasn't wearing a sleep hat last night (hee) it isn't all that bad. It's not my normal second day hair; it looks fair to middling but needs redone.

Yes, my spray nozzle is high powered, lol. I could almost use it as a water gun.

My KCKT should be here tomorrow, and I'll be on my normal night routine during the week so I can give it a better trial under my more normal conditions. I can say that this is a promising method for me though.

I thought that SSM didn't work well for me because I have naturally skinny curls that just aren't prone to climping. I never thought that it would be porosity related.
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And, considering that I wasn't wearing a sleep hat last night (hee) it isn't all that bad. It's not my normal second day hair; it looks fair to middling but needs redone.
You little rascal

I don't do anything to my hair anymore at night except the satin pillow case but even when I don't use that my hair is fine for 2nd day. So I do think this method holds the style better!

I thought that SSM didn't work well for me because I have naturally skinny curls that just aren't prone to climping. I never thought that it would be porosity related.

It took me a while to come to that conclusion but it makes so much sense. As a porous head all that extra water just gets soaked up and dilutes our product. We don't need it!!

YAY RCC!! I'm stoked that you like it even without KCKT!! I've gotten that little poof on the crown myself from not getting the condish on there or my styler. Sometimes (when I remember) I spritz a little extra in that area before adding stylers just to make sure I got it covered enough.
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2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
I've gotten that little poof on the crown myself from not getting the condish on there or my styler. Sometimes (when I remember) I spritz a little extra in that area before adding stylers just to make sure I got it covered enough.
Originally Posted by DEL2C
I often miss that middle-back crown area. I'll have just 3-4 curls that poof.

I don't know how to be med or med-low porous! All the research and testing I've ever done has been with a porous state of mind!! Identity crisis!
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Hee, rascally indeed.

I can see how this does have the potential to hold a style better.

I'll still need my hat - for length as much as style protection. I have enough length that my hair gets caught in my elbows and armpits at night or it wraps around my neck. It's just more comfortable in a hat.

I'll have to re-read the later pages of the thread to soak in some more details, but I do think this warrants a couple of weeks of testing.

The porosity for SSM vs S&C does make sense when I think about it; I've just never thought it out like that before.
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I've been meaning to post. I had originally tried the SC method but it didn't work out well for me. I think my hair is too thin and fine and tends to get overconditioned if I'm not careful. It's not that it didn't work..it did but I didn't notice any differences. So either way I'm happy--just want to be sure my hair isn't too soft (that pulls out the curls)

However we tried it for my daughter and it worked like a charm. She has very thick very dry hair that has very low porosity. It does take at least 3-5 minutes to get it dampened enough to get this to work. We only do her hair 1x or 2x a week max but in between we do spritz and add some conditioner or add some of our QB products.

We used Jessicurl Too Shea on it when we did it..it's a new conditioner to me and we wanted to try it. We did it exactly as Del noted. We let it sit longer though (about an hour) since her hair always needs extra conditioning and we aren't doing it often enough during the week to get a couple of good doses in. Then she got in the shower used her Mop C Hydrating shampoo and then we rinsed. At that point she got out and I helped her detangle with the GFTN that we leave in. Surprisingly we only used about 4-5 tbsp instead of our usual 8 or so and that's good. She has had very controlled frizz, reduced poof, and very soft hair this week. She's due for a wash today so we're going to try it again.

You know it may be because it takes her hair a long time to absorb products due to the porosity...so by allowing more than adequate time it is helping her to absorb more product. Like a DT every time we do her hair.
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You know it may be because it takes her hair a long time to absorb products due to the porosity...so by allowing more than adequate time it is helping her to absorb more product. Like a DT every time we do her hair.

Well there goes my theory that this is for porous heads again how many times have we gone back & forth on this thread? I know your daughter struggles with moisture issues Alex so I'm really glad this worked for her too!

So maybe it's for Porous or very thick thirsty hair then? Trying to figure out if I need to modify my thread title so as not to scare away the non-porous heads.....I can see this may not work for low porous fine hair. We've gotten some Med replies and it worked for some but not others. Hmmmmm..

RCC-I mentioned that I started this in the Summer but waited until the Fall to post a thread. I gave it a couple months testing in various dew points. So feel free to test away too my fellow coarse porous head!!!
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2C Fia BSL/Thick/Med-Coarse/Low(crown)-Normal Porosity Protein and Oil Sensitive

Link-Spritz & Condish Washing

I'm aCurlJunkieJunky

My hair LOVES Coconut DESPISES Soap Bars


CJRehab or H&B Fix, Deva NO POO, EO Rose & Cham POO & Condish, CJ CurlFix, CJ Pattern Pusha, CJ CIAB, SS FHG, KCCC, BRHG, AG Mousse Gel, ACV Rinses,Shikakai Conditioning Hair Rinse.
I think that if hair is that thirsty, it has to be at least medium if not higher porosity. Low porosity hair isn't losing the moisture the way higher porosity does. Or, that's me theory anyway, lol. I'd like to hear others.

Or maybe coarser hair can handle this more regardless of porosity. Hard to tell.

It will be fun testing at any rate.
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